Football (Soccer)

Originally posted by Nihilist
Just read through this thread, i aint gathering all the info for the likes of you.

Then don't make the claims. That's concession #1.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Like when you said via PM "all this stuff i can be used as evidence in a case against you" or words to that effect.

I never once said such a thing.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Ever hear of fatigue playing a part on players actions.

Fatigue takes power away, it doesn't add. Science.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Its not other teams faults if Arsenal are not physically tuff enough, these same teams use that tactic against all sides.Change the record this one is repetative and boring.

No they don't. Newcastle have some of the games of their lives against Arsenal, then it's 7-0 against Man Utd. Look at Wolves, playing reserves against them.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Big deal we are are small club with far less money and resources than the likes of Arsenal, yet we still managed to humiliate them at the Emirates.

I'm sure Arsenal can feel the sting of that "humbling" from all the way at the top of the table, while you're in the relegation zone. You've been whooped by Arsenal multiple times since. You'll be lucky to have a fixture against us next season.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Yeah of course you have, its not like you dont lie .

Why am I lying but everything you say is true? Stop the stupid nonsense.

Originally posted by Nihilist
You mean a World Cup in which they was favourites and won it in 94, and favourites again in 98 also getting to the final, same with 2002 winning it again, yeah not a glory hunter at all.

1. I didn't even know they were favourites in '94. I was eight, it was purely about the enjoyment for me. I didn't support England at any point in my life. If I was a glory hunter I'd be supporting whoever wins. Fact, the undeniable and factual truth is that I support them regardless of results. You cannot argue this, it's a fact. I know it's a fact because it's me we're discussing.

2. What joy do you get out of supporting Hull City? They're shit. Not that I am one, but why SHOULDN'T you support whoever you enjoy watching most?

Originally posted by Nihilist
You couldnt be more wrong if you tried, i was born in Manchester, my father is a life long Manu fan for over 40+ years. I chose to support Hull City and not be a sheep like you.

Hahahahaha. I'm a sheep from East London who supports Arsenal and Brazil? Yes, I'm clearly one who doesn't like to break the mould, aren't I?

Yet, you're a Mancunian and you don't support the place YOU were born. You support...the team...you chose to support?

Think before you post. You just made yourself look outlandishly hypocritical.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Bwhahaha, you brought up the whole me "being a Liverpool fan" with your rant.

Like i said im no Liverpool fan, so your inferiority complex about them is non of my concern.

Pretty hard to be inferior to Liverpool. Unless, of course, you're Hull City.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Man U wiped the floor with Arsenal at the Emirates recently, just like they did in the Cahmpions league, it was like boys against men.

Wipe the floor? It was 3-1 and anyone who saw the game agreed that Arsenal outplayed them in both games. They were just inconsistent to not come away with the result. The other game was a penalty and an own goal.

Originally posted by Nihilist
I know far mor than you, which isnt hard though really.

Nah, you don't. You're a novice.

Originally posted by Nihilist
A guy whos whole game is based on the physical aspect of the game, like he does in every game.

Then he's a consistently reckless player.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Why dont you give some of the team names then, i can easy check through the county FA and district websites.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senrab_F.C.

Can you just go ahead and say what we know you're doing to say?

Fact is, you were wrong and you were dumb to make the claims. Think first, Novice.

-AC

Beers boys.

What´s this, long post day?

Anyone see any of the friendlies last night, Germany were abysmal as usual in friendlies, but Maradona provided some more entertainment being his rebellious unpredictable self, gotta love the guy🙂

England beat Egypt, and crouch scored again. He has an excellent scoring record, I wonder if he wasn´t so beanpole like, he´d be a set striker.

What bothers me is that England got thoroughly outplayed, then when Crouch scored, the commentators were calling them world class players and world class goals.

That's what I hate, the ignorance of the fact that England do well in friendlies and then choke.

-AC

[i]Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Then don't make the claims. That's concession #1.

I never once said such a thing.

Fatigue takes power away, it doesn't add. Science.

No they don't. Newcastle have some of the games of their lives against Arsenal, then it's 7-0 against Man Utd. Look at Wolves, playing reserves against them.

I'm sure Arsenal can feel the sting of that "humbling" from all the way at the top of the table, while you're in the relegation zone. You've been whooped by Arsenal multiple times since. You'll be lucky to have a fixture against us next season.

Why am I lying but everything you say is true? Stop the stupid nonsense.

1. I didn't even know they were favourites in '94. I was eight, it was purely about the enjoyment for me. I didn't support England at any point in my life. If I was a glory hunter I'd be supporting whoever wins. Fact, the undeniable and factual truth is that I support them regardless of results. You cannot argue this, it's a fact. I know it's a fact because it's me we're discussing.

2. What joy do you get out of supporting Hull City? They're shit. Not that I am one, but why SHOULDN'T you support whoever you enjoy watching most?

Hahahahaha. I'm a sheep from East London who supports Arsenal and Brazil? Yes, I'm clearly one who doesn't like to break the mould, aren't I?

Yet, you're a Mancunian and you don't support the place YOU were born. You support...the team...you chose to support?

Think before you post. You just made yourself look outlandishly hypocritical.

Pretty hard to be inferior to Liverpool. Unless, of course, you're Hull City.

Wipe the floor? It was 3-1 and anyone who saw the game agreed that Arsenal outplayed them in both games. They were just inconsistent to not come away with the result. The other game was a penalty and an own goal.

Nah, you don't. You're a novice.

Then he's a consistently reckless player.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senrab_F.C.

Can you just go ahead and say what we know you're doing to say?

Fact is, you were wrong and you were dumb to make the claims. Think first, Novice.

-AC [/B]

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What bothers me is that England got thoroughly outplayed, then when Crouch scored, the commentators were calling them world class players and world class goals.

That's what I hate, the ignorance of the fact that England do well in friendlies and then choke.

-AC

first 30 minutes they got outplayed. 2nd half England outplayed Egypt easily.

when England found the rhythm, Egypt could not cope/

Originally posted by Nihilist
Concession! so you cant read then?

You conceded.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Do you want me to post the PM to prove you are a liar?

I took it to PMs because it doesn't belong here. Post it at your own risk. Just know that you WILL be doing something worthy of being reported. I tried taking it to PMs, you're not bringing it back. If you'd rather a mod tell you, fine by me.

Originally posted by Nihilist
It also effects judgement

Not all the time. If it did, everyone would make Shawcross tackles. The world's best don't have to make challenges like that.

When have the world's best ever done such things as Shawcross? Maldini etc?

Originally posted by Nihilist
We are arent talking about Newcastle, we are talking about the likes of Stokes and Bolton who are physical against everyone, but Arsenal cant handle it.

Arsenal won despite seeing yet another team mate fall to an undisciplined and horrifying challenge.

I'd say they handled it.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Whooped! another lie from you, so chances are we will get relagated, and Arsenal will still be inferior against the likes of Manu and Chelsea.

Is it better to be inferior to Man Utd and Chelsea, which is even arguable, or inferior to the entire league to the point that you aren't good enough to play there? Hull City barely escaped relegation last season, they'll probably not escape it this year. If they do, not by much. Arsenal will place top four as they always do.

I'll take consistent top four and continual praise as being one of the best teams to watch, despite results, over Hull City.

Originally posted by Nihilist
You said i tried to change the whole topic, when it was you who tried to get personal rant about me being a Liverpool fan(which you was wrong about again)

I added a question mark.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Fact is Brazil are always one of the 2 top favourites in every World cup, not suprising the jumped on the Brazil band wagon as they was favourites and winners.

They weren't favourites you fool, and obviously I didn't know they'd win.

Their team was reasonably poor in '94 when you look back with hindsight. As a youngster I liked Bebeto, Romario and Dunga, I liked the way they played so I supported them. They hadn't won a World Cup in 24 years, nor had they been in a final since, by the time of World Cup '94.

Favourites? They were never favourites at that point.

Originally posted by Nihilist
You enjoy watching Arsenal beat the crap teams yet always fail against the bigger teams in europe and Manu and Chelsea in the prem?

Always fail against the bigger teams in Europe? Like Milan at home and Madrid at home, Arsenal being the first English team to do that? To suggest Arsenal can't beat big teams is ridiculous. Arsenal are highly regarded for a reason.

Arsenal have gone through an underwhelming patch, but when you go from having a team that consists of Campbell, Henry, Pires, Bergkamp, Viera, Adams, Seamen etc all in their prime, obviously you are going to endure changes and patchy periods. That just goes without saying.

Even so, when Henry left, Arsenal came three points behind the title in a season plagued by injuries. Before Henry left, they reached the C.L. final with kids and lost barely to Barcalona while down to 10 men.

If I have a "vendetta" against Liverpool, you most certainly have one against Arsenal.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Yeah you only follow trophy winning teams.

...how is that relevant at all?

You're accusing me of being a sheep, but clearly I'm not because I don't support the teams everyone else is forced to believe they must.

Originally posted by Nihilist
😂 I liver in Manchetser till i was about 6 months old. I grew up watching Hull city with my grandad.

So? You aren't from Hull, you're Mancunian.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Pot to kettle "your black".

1. "You're".

2. Stop weaselling just because you tied yourself in knots with your own argument, child.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Just like Arsenal are Inferior to Manu and Chelsea by along long way.

Only someone who knows nothing about football would say that.

Originally posted by Nihilist
All im seeing is sad excuses from you, about every defeat Arsenal get.

Because you're an ignorant person who can't read, debate or form cohesive arguments to save his life. I own you in this thread, dude. Every time.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Which still makes me far greater than anything you could hope to become.

Nice comeback! Think of that on your own?

Originally posted by Nihilist
And? that doesnt make him dirty.

It makes him reckless.

Originally posted by Nihilist
😂 Boys football, we are talking about the cut and thrust of the mans game.

No, you said it was a fact I'd never played football at a competitive level. I factually have. You asked for proof, I gave it to you.

You were factually incorrect. Take it and move on.

No proof from your end, by the way.

Originally posted by Nihilist
I accept your concession on the grounds you need to try and insult as you have no real counter for any point and use it to mask your bad argument.

Now that's just silly.

Hurry up and reply so that I can trash your argument again. We all know you will.

It's here for all to see. You know nothing, laughably so. You're mine, in this thread.

-AC

Better than TV this drama, and I´m not involved for a change🙂

There's no drama, just a boy who thinks he knows something and has an obsessive vendetta against me.

It happens, Bic. It happens. The man previously dedicated sig space to his hate for me. What can I say? I find it flattering, I just wish he'd keep it to PMs and deal with the topic.

-AC

In between the slight slagging you both make some good arguments though.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

You conceded.

I took it to PMs because it doesn't belong here. Post it at your own risk. Just know that you WILL be doing something worthy of being reported. I tried taking it to PMs, you're not bringing it back. If you'd rather a mod tell you, fine by me.

Not all the time. If it did, everyone would make Shawcross tackles. The world's best don't have to make challenges like that.

When have the world's best ever done such things as Shawcross? Maldini etc?

Arsenal won despite seeing yet another team mate fall to an undisciplined and horrifying challenge.

I'd say they handled it.

Is it better to be inferior to Man Utd and Chelsea, which is even arguable, or inferior to the entire league to the point that you aren't good enough to play there? Hull City barely escaped relegation last season, they'll probably not escape it this year. If they do, not by much. Arsenal will place top four as they always do.

[quoteI'll take consistent top four and continual praise as being one of the best teams to watch, despite results, over Hull City.[/quote]So you will accept to being seconed best(if lucky) to United and Chelsea?

I added a question mark.

They weren't favourites you fool, and obviously I didn't know they'd win.

Favourites? They were never favourites at that point.

Always fail against the bigger teams in Europe? Like Milan at home and Madrid at home, Arsenal being the first English team to do that? To suggest Arsenal can't beat big teams is ridiculous. Arsenal are highly regarded for a reason.

Arsenal have gone through an underwhelming patch, but when you go from having a team that consists of Campbell, Henry, Pires, Bergkamp, Viera, Adams, Seamen etc all in their prime, obviously you are going to endure changes and patchy periods. That just goes without saying.

Even so, when Henry left, Arsenal came three points behind the title in a season plagued by injuries. Before Henry left, they reached the C.L. final with kids and lost barely to Barcalona while down to 10 men.

...how is that relevant at all?

So? You aren't from Hull, you're Mancunian.

1. "You're".

2. Stop weaselling just because you tied yourself in knots with your own argument, child.

Only someone who knows nothing about football would say that.

Because you're an ignorant person who can't read, debate or form cohesive arguments to save his life. I own you in this thread, dude. Every time.

It makes him reckless.

No, you said it was a fact I'd never played football at a competitive level. I factually have. You asked for proof, I gave it to you.

You were factually incorrect. Take it and move on.

No proof from your end, by the way.

Now that's just silly.

Hurry up and reply so that I can trash your argument again. We all know you will.

It's here for all to see. You know nothing, laughably so. You're mine, in this thread.

-AC [/B]

Originally posted by Nihilist
You mean that you cant read through this thread or remember who youve argued with.

Here's how debates work, since you clearly don't know:

If you make a claim, the burden on YOU is to prove said claim. I challenged you to prove it and you couldn't. You claim you can, but you won't.

That's a concession. If you can't back up claims, they're as good as false.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Hahahha, post it and ill report you routine..pathetic. Maybe because it will show what a snake in the grass you are? Didnt you just say you never did that anyway ? now you are saying you did..another lie.

I didn't tell you not to post it. I simply gave you advice. I took the personal aspect of the debate to PMs and YOU wanna bring it public. Do that if it makes you happy, but that's an offense, fact.

I still have the PMs I sent you, I know you misworded it. I never said what you said I did. I simply said that a group of people are so obsessed that they have banded together on MSN, trying to get people to rise up against me and lure me into getting banned, now are known to be biased. They'll report ME for every little thing in hopes it gets me in trouble, but because their scheme is now known, if they try bringing it to the forum (Like you are), it will seem suspect and biased.

Having cleared the air, how YOU handle the PM is up to you, I'm not telling you to not post it. It's on public record here that I took it to PMs and that you brought it back, though. It'll count against you, not me. This is the last time I'm going to address private matters in public. If you reply to this, it'll be replied to as a PM. I don't care if you reply, but I'LL know that I did my part to keep the thread free of your vendetta.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Why do you think defenders often make rash last minute tackles late on in games.

Maldini broke Allesandro Melli's ankle against Parma in the 90's with bad challenge and Andoni Goikoetxea who at the time was one of Spains best defenders broke Maradonas leg against Argentina.

It wasn't a bad challenge, it was a good challenge that went wrong. Shawcross pelted Ramsey in the shin, standing up, when he didn't need to.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Like the did when could only draw when Birmingham when Eduardo broke his leg(when the Arsenal players started crying)

You REALLY know nothing about football do you?

Arsenal were 1-0 down, or went 1-0 down. Walcott decimated them, took it to 2-1. Clichy made a mistake, RECOVERED, played the ball (As shown in EVERY replay and agreed in EVERY sports publication after) and Birmingham were incorrectly awarded a penalty that gave them the draw.

How is that Arsenal's fault? That is the case of factual refereeing error.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UQgVPWrwfQ

Clearly he plays the ball while the Birmingham player started acting like he had been shot. He pushes his own legs out from underneath him as if he'd been tripped, by which time Clichy had already pulled back.

I suppose that's just me making stuff up, though. Right? Arsenal had the game comfortably won until the ref made a terrible call.

I do suspect this will be the part of my post you skip over or reply least to. There's nothing you can say. You implied that Arsenal were at fault, or lacked strength because they drew. They didn't, they got screwed: "Can't beat Arsenal by outplaying them, can't beat Arsenal even if Martin Taylor decimates their most potent striker. I know! We'll cheat!".

Originally posted by Nihilist
Wow youre proving a real point here that City arent a good side, despite all the hype you give Arseanl they will always be regarded as also rans against the likes of Chelsea and United.

Arsenal are always mentioned in the same breath as Man Utd and Chelsea. They have been for ages. Before Abramovitch, it was the big two, Arsenal and Man Utd. With Liverpool occasionally getting a good placing (Because they were very good at points in the '90s, and had some phenomenal players like Collymore and Barnes, even exiting his hey day).

It's called the Big Four. It's not called the Big Two but Two Are Way Better Than One of the Others.

Originally posted by Nihilist
So you will accept to being seconed best(if lucky) to United and Chelsea?

Hmm...second best behind two other teams. Maths; Nihilist's forte.

Arsenal seem to place behind those two teams often in the table, yes. That is a fact as of late. I do not like it, but I cannot do anything BUT accept that. It's absolutely frustrating because it's the result of stupid, naive inconsistency on Arsenal's part at times, silly mistakes (Their OWN fault) and other things that happen naturally in football. For example, Man Utd's second top scorer is own goals. That'd never happen to Arsenal.

The fact is, as any long time football fan will tell you, the placement does not often tell the story. Arsenal are cited as a team worthy of paying to watch AHEAD of Man Utd and Chelsea more often than not.

Originally posted by Nihilist
They was, at that time Romario was at his peak with Barcelona and was European/world footballer of the year. And for the 98 world cup they was faves as previous winners.

They was faves in 98 as champs, and in 2002 with the likes of Rivaldo-Ronaldo who was at his peak and European footballer of the year in or around the world cup of 98, and in 2002 the same applied with Ronaldiniho.

How is any of that relevant? I supported them from during the '94 World Cup onward, and they were NOT favourites heading into it. They hadn't reached a final or won a World Cup in two and a half decades. That's not favouritism, at all. Romario was being recognised as an amazing player, for good reason, why SHOULDN'T I have liked him? Because he's a foreigner?

One player being regarded as being in great form means nothing. Rooney is in top form, but are England World Cup favourites? No. Stupid argument.

Originally posted by Nihilist
2 big wins out of how many? They failed big time against Barca in the champions league final, and since the champions league started Arsenal have never been a real threat to any of the big teams, none of the big teams fear facing Arsenal like they do Madrid,Barca,Man U or Chelsea.

1. You said it's a FACT that they ALWAYS fail. That is factually untrue as I have proven. Stop claiming facts if they're not facts.

2. How did they fail? They had their goalkeeper sent off, they set a defensive record, they got to the final with kids, they went 1-0 up while a man down against the best attacking side in the world at the time.

They lost 2-1. How is that a "failure" on the magnitude you're claiming? It's a massive achievement considering they weren't expected to get by the Quarter Finals.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Arent Arsenal always banging on about how the dont need to buy exensive players when they have the best young players in the world.

If you can find me a quote where someone has said: "We don't need to buy expensive players because we have the best young players in the world.", I'll concede.

Also, don't ignore the point. Wenger had to rebuild from scratch after previously having arguably the greatest starting 11 (In terms of what they achieved and the quality they played at) in club football.

Seaman/Lehmann, the entire back four (Not one of them was the best defender in the world, but they were undefeated throughout the season), Bergkamp, Pires, Viera, Henry, Ljungberg, Reyes, Van Persie coming through.

He lost more or less all of those in a very short space of time. No amount of young "promise" will recover from that instantly. Considering that, Wenger has done phenomenally well. He had a stadium to build and then pay off for, so buying 30 million strikers wasn't the answer. He saw he had a crop of madly promising youngsters and was in no position to spend wildly. Arsenal are in a better financial state than any of the other Big Four as a result of Wenger's actions.

When he DOES buy, look at what happens. Arshavin and Vermaelen; arguably the two best purchases in recent P.L. history. Vermaelen is already being mentioned among the best defenders in the league, and Arshavin is easily one of the best players in the league on top form.

Point is, Wenger had to rebuild from near enough scratch and had to do so after having a nearly perfect team, on a ridiculously tight, almost non-existent budget.

These are facts. Observable facts.

Originally posted by Nihilist
No other team had injuries did they.

Did I say that?

-AC

Originally posted by Nihilist
You followed Brazil because they have always had players regarded as the best in the world and are always one of the tourney faves.

Not only are you factually wrong about them always being regarded as favs (They're certainly not in this World Cup, nor were they last time), but you're factually wrong about why I support them.

This is NOT up for debate, it's NOT a subjective area. I am telling you, for a fact, I do not support them for any other reason than I like them the most and the football they play. This is a hardcore, undeniable truth. It's not up for discussion.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Right, living over 95% of my life in Hull means im mancunian, when my mother is from Hull.

You were born in Manchester, you're Mancunian.

Originally posted by Nihilist
OMGZ SPELLING MISTAKE, you get get major points for correcting me.

Like you did with the PM stuff 🙂

1. Thanks.

2. I didn't, but it shows how desperate you are for arguments that you have to keep bringing it up. I can afford to not do that, because I don't have a grudge and I don't need to start a personal debate. I'm doing just fine beating your argument on topic.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Oh because Arsenal have such a great overall record against Chelsea, or against Man U, hell Manu have lost more finals than trophies Arsenal have won.

Trophies?

Liverpool have more trophies than Arsenal. Are they a better team?

Originally posted by Nihilist
Does lying to yourself about this thread and Arsenals crap results take away the pain of humiliation.

Humiliation? I support Arsenal because I love their football, they're not family members. I don't feel insulted or humiliated when they lose or when someone disses them. It's not personal, it's ultimately a game. I'm not losing anything when they lose, I'm not gaining anything when they win. I support them because WIN OR LOSE, I almost always enjoy the 90 minutes.

It's called being a football fan. Why do you support Hull? Because you like, for some unfathomable reason, watching them play? Exactly. Does it matter to you that they are where they are? That their trophy case is emptier than Nicole Richie's fridge? No.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Like Arsenals goalkeepers?

Go on...I've got to hear this.

Let's go over Arsenal's last three goalkeepers. Seamen? Regarded as one of the best English keepers ever, was one of the best in the world in his prime. Lehmann? Germany's number 1 for a long time and was in goal for Arsenal's unbeaten season. Almunia? Flawed, but capable. Fabianski? Zero experience, majorly mistaken prone but in possession of cat-like reflexes and a shot-stopping ability that is unreal.

So you get to now tell me how they're all so reckless.

Originally posted by Nihilist
You gave me a link to a boys football team you have heard of, with no proof you had ever played for them.

You claimed something factually, I proved you wrong. Your claim was that I had never KICKED a ball or played football at a competitive level. I corrected you. You asked for the name of the team, I gave you it. You then laughed that it was a boys' team and referred to the "man's game", which you never once cited before.

Additionally, all age groups carry the same rules and disciplinary rules. How does any of this relate to your original claim of: "You've clearly never kicked a football."? Bearing in mind that you said this because I claimed committing to tackles can cause more injuries too.

What more do you want? I'm obviously not giving my real name out to an obsessive random on KMC, so how far does this go? It's my word against yours. You made a claim YOU can't prove. I didn't go around claiming anything, you did.

You are making absolutely no sense, because you're vastly focused on me, not making your arguments coherent. You don't even know what you're saying, you poor soul.

Originally posted by Nihilist
I dont need to prove shit, you are saying going into tackles half hearted wont get you injured.

"I don't need to prove shit.", said Nihilist in a debate in which he's making factual claims. Legendary.

You do. You seem to feel you have competitive experience. Link ME to proof of that. Let's see where you played and at what level.

Originally posted by Nihilist
You own me😂 yeah come back to me when i go into a frenzied rantab out a team you dont even support.

Come back to this thread when you have a legitimate argument.

Of course, you'll come back anyway. You've got a lot to reply to, so hop to it. Oh, and please, try to keep it on topic and relevant. No more replies about you telling me how and why I support who I do, it's fruitless. You're factually wrong and it's a waste of time. IF...IF you need to have it, then include it. I just thought you'd possess strong enough arguments that you wouldn't need to.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It wasn't a bad challenge, it was a good challenge that went wrong. Shawcross pelted Ramsey in the shin, standing up, when he didn't need to.
-AC

As for what you said in the pm "I will send this to them as evidence" talking about the mods.

Thanks for handing the entire debate to me with just a few lies.

cheers.

Originally posted by Nihilist
This just shows your whole argument is based on lies and excuses, Maldini tackled Melli from behind when he was heading towrds the corner flag and broke his ankle.( i highly doubt you have even seen the tackle.

As for what you said in the pm "I will send this to them as evidence" talking about the mods.

Thanks for handing the entire debate to me with just a few lies.

cheers.

...and so it happens. The inevitable short reply declaring your exist.

A tackle from behind is not necessarily a bad tackle. Bad tackles come from all angles.

Fundamentally it was a good tackle, Maldini did everything right and unfortunately it lead to Melli's ankle injury.

If what Shawcross did was a technically perfect tackle and Ramsey's leg STILL got snapped (A LOT different to Melli's injury), then while you could argue that there was a lot of force, you couldn't really claim recklessness. You would claim that it's a good tackle and it was just bad luck for Ramsey.

He swung his leg in a manner that was undisciplined and reckless, causing Ramsey's leg to break.

I knew this time would come. You'd eventually get tired of being wrong, my posts would become too overwhelming with facts (I even said it in my last post), and you'd look for the exit.

Well done. Now let this be a lesson, this is the second or third time this has happened. Bring better arguments next time.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
...and so it happens. The inevitable short reply declaring your exist.

A tackle from behind is not necessarily a bad tackle. Bad tackles come from all angles.

Fundamentally it was a good tackle, Maldini did everything right and unfortunately it lead to Melli's ankle injury.

If what Shawcross did was a technically perfect tackle and Ramsey's leg STILL got snapped (A LOT different to Melli's injury), then while you could argue that there was a lot of force, you couldn't really claim recklessness. You would claim that it's a good tackle and it was just bad luck for Ramsey.

He swung his leg in a manner that was undisciplined and reckless, causing Ramsey's leg to break.

I knew this time would come. You'd eventually get tired of being wrong, my posts would become too overwhelming with facts (I even said it in my last post), and you'd look for the exit.

Well done. Now let this be a lesson, this is the second or third time this has happened. Bring better arguments next time.

-AC

As for the rest of your "post" trying to stroke your ego to hide your failings is sad.Same with the new pm you sent me complaining(funny you say that im obsessed with you)

Originally posted by Nihilist
You have never seen the tackle, if so which stadium was it played at and what colour kit did Parma wear at the time.

As for the rest of your "post" trying to stroke your ego to hide your failings is sad.Same with the new pm you sent me complaining(funny you say that im obsessed with you)

I don't know what stadium it was at, I didn't watch it live, but I saw a video of it, which I'm currently trying to re-find.

Also, why do you INSIST on bringing up PMs? I'm not complaining, I'm correcting you. You feel it's cowardly for me to report you for calling me a douche and a f*ggot, and you do so because you continually insist on believing I got someone banned when I didn't.

Get over it. Is this what you've been reduced to? You can't reply to anything else in my post?

None of it was ego stroking. What about you accusing Arsenal of more or less being weak for drawing with Birmingham? What about my post regarding that? Start replying to my posts and answering my questions, before I answer yours.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I don't know what stadium it was at, I didn't watch it live, but I saw a video of it, which I'm currently trying to re-find.

-AC

Originally posted by Deano
first 30 minutes they got outplayed. 2nd half England outplayed Egypt easily.

when England found the rhythm, Egypt could not cope/

Aye I saw the same effect. Things really picked up as the match progressed, England is looking relatively strong lets hope they can keep up this strength.

Originally posted by Nihilist
lulz This just shows how much of a liar you are, i made the whole thing up just so you would fall for it proving you are nothing but a sad liar.

1. I know you did. You think I'm honestly that stupid? Please. Well, to be fair, at first I didn't. I looked it up the second you said it because I was prepared to give you the point if it had happened and I'd missed it. As soon as I could find literally no record, I continued posting about it because I wondered if you had it in you to post a YouTube vid, a link etc. As soon as you continued avoiding it, I knew that if it had happened, you'd have proven me wrong by now. Someone even PMed me and told me you were lying.

Your lie was apparant from not long after you said it. You got played like Atari.

2. Technically, you lied first, so we're both liars. That would make us both liars. So let's delve a little deeper to find out exactly who the sadder of the two is. Supposing I had not challenged your claim about Melli's ankle, what then? You would have lied to answer a question I was beating you on. Observe:

"When have the world's best ever done such things as Shawcross? Maldini etc?".

The answer, as we both know, is never. You didn't know I'd press the issue, and me pressing the issue proves nothing less than you said it because you had no answer, no counter.

3. The shame STILL falls on you because in revealing you made it up, you reveal that I'm right. Maldini's never done that to anybody, thus my claim still rings true. The true professionals don't do that kind of thing.

I'm MORE than ok with looking a LITTLE foolish in the grand scheme that you end up looking way worse, because you got outsmarted. Your overall plan was to eventually say: "HAHAHA I MADE IT UP!" right? So, let's have a look at how it could have played out.

I agree with you, and you reveal you made it up. I look silly, you look like a liar, I remain in the right and I forced you to lie because you had NOTHING.

I play along, you reveal it was a lie. I look silly, you look like a liar and I remain in the right because I forced you to lie due to not having a suitable counter.

I'm almost embarrassed at how painfully this has backfired on you. I will GLADLY, GLADLY take the pain of looking silly in light of this. So gladly.

Look, everyone. I played along to a lie and Nihilist caught me out! In doing so, he confirmed my argument was just, his was wrong, and proved he was so desperate that he had to lie to begin with.

If I'M looking bad, you look worse. To cap it off, you proved me right. That's worth it.

-AC