Originally posted by Bicnarok
Its plainly obvious that one of the Sunderland players used Jedi powers to pull the beach ball on the pitch, not luck but The FORCE..
I'm from Sunderland so I can vouch for the Jedi powers theory, although I'm not sure if we pass it on to out-of-towners and not many of our players are from the area.
It was lucky but its not like we scored it in the 90th minute, Liverpool had plenty of time to equalise...
Originally posted by Bicnarok
Its plainly obvious that one of the Sunderland players used Jedi powers to pull the beach ball on the pitch, not luck but The FORCE..
Seriously, though, the question.
You propose that luck doesn't exist and all that happens is a result of a decided method of play. This is not only bullshit, but explain how it pertains to the beach ball, please.
How did Sunderland's dressing room talk get the beach ball onto the pitch and have it arrive in the exact spot the ball went to, causing a ricocheted goal?
If you can't tell me, then you must concede it was an extremely unlikely, but ultimately fortuitous event. "Luck", as it's known.
-AC
luck is just a word used by people who can't comprehend a large number of possible possibilities. And a word given to an unexpected occurrence of an event that is perceived by the subject as being either fortuitous or disadvantageous.
Hence the beach ball event would be viewed by Sunderland supporters as Good luck and vice versa. They have seen an unexpected event and because of its influence on their situation, have perceived it as a superstitious event.
If this sort of thing would have happened in some ancient Greek Olympic event they would have said something like "Zeus is with him" or "Apollo cursed". So basically "luck" is a substitute for the disbelief in divine influence.
Originally posted by Bicnarok
luck is just a word used by people who can't comprehend a large number of possible possibilities. And a word given to an unexpected occurrence of an event that is perceived by the subject as being either fortuitous or disadvantageous.Hence the beach ball event would be viewed by Sunderland supporters as Good luck and vice versa. They have seen an unexpected event and because of its influence on their situation, have perceived it as a superstitious event.
If this sort of thing would have happened in some ancient Greek Olympic event they would have said something like "Zeus is with him" or "Apollo cursed". So basically "luck" is a substitute for the disbelief in divine influence.
No, you're wrong. Most people do not say "That was lucky!" as a means of referring to the supernatural. They use it, as I said, to refer to an unlikely yet fortuitous circumstance or happening.
There's not guess of why it happened the way it did, but the fact that it was so unlikely AND so fortunate is why they call it "luck".
Nobody actually thinks there's divine influence. You can't really explain why these things happen when they do.
What's clear is that you are stupidly ignorant if you feel that you make your own fortune. It's called fortune for a reason, it's called luck for a reason. The reason is because the people it either benefitted or was a detriment to had no hand in it.
So, you can't sit there and say you make your own, because some fortune and "luck" is clearly way out of peoples' hands. Sunderland had absolutely no hand or influence in that beach ball event, thus it was luck. Not supernatural luck, colloquially used "luck". Good fortune. Jam.
Regardless of why it happens, it's certainly not the doing of the people receiving it, because otherwise anyone could do it and it'd happen more often.
It was a freak occurance. Like a man who has a piece of shrapnel miss his heart by a millimetre. It's not magic, there's a clear reason, but he got "lucky".
Stop being ridiculous.
-AC
Wrong again, your getting good at this.
The fact is things happen, and the circumstances surround the event causes it to happen. Just now and again something happens which a person would perceive as unlikely, but it is nevertheless manifesting itself in reality because of countless other events which influence it.
Now you stop being a thicko and wake your tiny brain up.
Originally posted by Bicnarok
Wrong again, your getting good at this.The fact is things happen, and the circumstances surround the event causes it to happen. Just now and again something happens which a person would perceive as unlikely, but it is nevertheless manifesting itself in reality because of countless other events which influence it.
Now you stop being a thicko and wake your tiny brain up.
Yes, we know that it's not supernatural and happens because of reasons, get on the ball.
Point is, your theory is that you make all of the things that go your way, happen.
This is decidedly false.
If it's not, explain to me how Sunderland orchestrated the beach ball.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes, we know that it's not supernatural and happens because of reasons, get on the ball.-AC
Did it again, just disproved your own argument. Send us some of the shit your smoking, must be good.
I find it odd that you are obsessed with using the beachball incident to prove that Luck exists. The Sunderland fans didn´t orchestrate this event, it happened due to outside influence ie some Liverpool fan having a beach ball in the crowd, then for a laugh (I presume) throwing it on the pitch.
But if Sunderland weren´t trying to score a goal, then they wouldn´t have. They put pressure on a "valve", the valve in this case being a goal occurring, lets call this X . When you put pressure on X you have more chance of it transpiring. If outside events like freak wind, beach balls, someone throwing a coin at someone, or whatever also put pressure on X then the possibility of it happening rise. And X did happen in this case-
Originally posted by Bicnarok
Did it again, just disproved your own argument. Send us some of the shit your smoking, must be good.I find it odd that you are obsessed with using the beachball incident to prove that Luck exists. The Sunderland fans didn´t orchestrate this event, it happened due to outside influence ie some Liverpool fan having a beach ball in the crowd, then for a laugh (I presume) throwing it on the pitch.
But if Sunderland weren´t trying to score a goal, then they wouldn´t have. They put pressure on a "valve", the valve in this case being a goal occurring, lets call this X . When you put pressure on X you have more chance of it transpiring. If outside events like freak wind, beach balls, someone throwing a coin at someone, or whatever also put pressure on X then the possibility of it happening rise. And X did happen in this case-
Wrong.
I use the WORD "Luck", I do not use it to mean supernatural or superhuman miracle. Stop acting like that's all it means.
You said that you make your own luck (Whilst saying it doesn't exist), right? Any "luck" that occurs is the result of effort?
How did Sunderland orchestrate the beach ball, then? They didn't. It was a sequence of highly fortuitous events that resulted in majorly unlikely benefit for Sunderland.
Luck.
-AC
The beach ball helped Sunderland score the goal, it didn't score the goal for them. If they weren't making their own luck by putting pressure on Liverpool it wouldn't have happened.
Tell you what, If I win the Lottery tomorrow then I'l say Luck exists, not going to buy a ticket though otherwise it woulnd't be luck but me attempting to win, then winning.
So that's that argument won back to the football.
How much do everyone think Arsenal are going to get stuffed by Barcelona, I recon 6:1 aggr.
I also think Liverpool are going to get beat by Benfica, who have some very interesting players especially the Argentinian internationals Di Maria, Pablo Aimar & Saviola
Originally posted by Bicnarok
The beach ball helped Sunderland score the goal, it didn't score the goal for them. If they weren't making their own luck by putting pressure on Liverpool it wouldn't have happened.Tell you what, If I win the Lottery tomorrow then I'l say Luck exists, not going to buy a ticket though otherwise it woulnd't be luck but me attempting to win, then winning.
So what was being achieved?
You say they were making their own "luck" anyway, but what? By playing football? How? You make literally no sense.
The luck was the extremely unlikely, but fortuitous circumstance that went in their favour, not that they were just out there playing football. You can't say you make your own luck based on: "If you don't try to score, you won't.".
I've already shown why that's wrong, because your snowball thing is balls. If you keep trying to score, eventually you will over an infinite amount of time, not 90 minutes. With that said, if you keep trying to score, that doesn't make the appearance of a beach ball to deflect your shot into the goal any more likely of an occurance. Why? Because it's entirely out of your hands and has nothing to do with your efforts.
Whether you have a million attempts in one match, or just one, the chances of a beach ball appearing to deflect a shot into the goal does not increase.
That chance does not increase if you try to score.
It was luck. Not supernatural luck, just luck as normal people use the word.
You're wrong, accept it.
-AC
Originally posted by Bicnarok
Nope, I can´t be wrong because you cannot prove something that doesn´t exist.That´s the way science works, Thesis ,Theory, proof, fact. You have provided none, so you have a very long path in front of you🙂
Why do you insist that I am talking about some kind of supernatural, spiritual force? I'm not.
Your reasoning is flawed. The snowball thing doesn't work because you are in total control of that. If you have unlimited snowballs, eventually you learn from your mistakes and learn what technique suits best to get it through the hole.
If we apply that to the beach ball, you're suggesting that if you shoot at the goal enough times, a beach ball will appear and deflect it in. That's ridiculous.
Luck, in this case, is taken to mean some occurance that is of benefit or detriment to someone else, despite being EXTREMELY unlikely and EXTREMELY unexpected.
A beach ball appearing on the pitch and deflecting the ball into the goal, in the exact spot that the trajectory of the ball was set for, is nothing BUT that. It's an extremely unlikely and unexpected occurance that probably won't happen again more than three times in our lives. Thus, it's "luck".
Why do you continue to deny that there is such a thing as an extremely unlikely circumstance that can occur to the benefit or detrment of someone? In this case, a team. Why? It's quite blatantly fact.
Luck/Lucky = An occurance or happening that is of benefit or detriment to someone else, despite being EXTREMELY unlikely and EXTREMELY unexpected, without said recipient having a hand in it happening.
How can you sit there and say that doesn't happen? Honestly, tell me.
How can you sit there and say nothing can happen without any doing of your own, that happens to be massively unlikely and also working for or against you? You're wrong, you KNOW you're wrong and I continually prove you're wrong.
If a goalkeeper dives correctly, is about to get the ball clearly, and out of nowhere a seagull collides with the ball and it goes in to count as a goal, is that not unlucky according to the definition we're using? Yes, it is. It's unlucky because it's a massively unlikely event that works to the detriment of the person involved without anyone influence of the two people involved.
Let's say someone says to me that I have to hit a hole in one or they'll kill my family, and my ball is travelling, scientifically, right for the hole. If a badger appears and knocks the ball off course, that's unlucky as we are using the term. It's not supernatural, it's not spiritual, it's unlucky.
How can you say: "That doesn't happen, you make it all happen yourself."? You don't. In light of all these examples, pieces of logic and proof, you cannot say that without looking like a plank and being wrong, which you are.
-AC
I think Spurs are going to nail the 4th spot to be honest. I don´t hate Arsenal, in fact they are my favourite London club. But I think they are out of the title race for various reasons, the main one being injury problems the other is the fact that an apposing team starts bullying them about they loose their nerve.
That's not Arsenal's fault.
The first one is usually a result of the second. Everyone is starting to notice it, finally. The entire panel of Sky Sports' Sunday Supplement agreed that teams do give it worse to Arsenal more than anyone else. Whilst Wenger can react in ways that don't help his case, they all agreed he was no fantasist and that all of these injuries are too frequent to be coincidence.
http://www.skysports.com/tv_show/story/0,20144,12382_6055222,00.html
Good video.
So you can't really blame Arsenal there.
They brought up a case where Van Persie got elbowed at Blackburn once, off the ball. Yet, all the headlines were "Van Persie refuses to shake hands.", and everyone started saying how Arsenal don't like it "up 'em". So we come back to, "Why should they?". It's more likely, nowadays, that the bad guy is the one making the just complaint rather than the one making the tackle. As Martin Samuel said, "People act like ' Oh, these Southern softies can't take a good punching.', when the thought should be 'What the Hell are we doing?'. It's not the debate.".
It's ridiculous. If someone took out Rooney or Terry like they took out Ramsey, there would be an actual manhunt.
Now, I'm not saying it's all done with harmful intent, because it ISN'T. However, that is a known tactic; rough them up. As long as this is employed against Arsenal, and others, it will continue causing injuries.
As for Spurs, what's it gonna change? They'll get knocked out of the Champions' League, they won't make fourth again and the status quo will be resumed.
The only reason the battle for 4th is happening is because Liverpool have finally revealed how shit they are. Nobody has broken into the top four, you know? Whoever gets it will have been let in.
-AC