You're an idiot if you don't things have just gotten out of hand. These clubs are being preasured into spending millions on players. Millions they just can't afford. Rich clubs are pushing up the values of players so smaller clubs have to spend in order to compete. There is also no transparency so no one outside the club has any idea of the problems until it's too late.
You ask "who the **** cares?" The simple answer is the fans of that club, the season ticket holders, the people who spend hundreds if not thousands to see their club play each week. I'm pretty sure anyone who cares about the sport doesn't like to see a club go down due to problems off the pitch.
No one can tell? No, everyone can if you pay attention. You can see the inevitable fall of Liverpool and Man Utd. You can see West Ham will fail. If a club doesn't follow a sound business model, it will fall. And that is the fault of the club. Look at Arsenal. Look at the French teams like Lyon and Bordeaux. They follow sound business models, and they pay for players with what they can. It's how it should be, and it's going to be how it is since teams will be pushed out of extravagant spending by the debts coming back to haunt them.
Originally posted by §P0oONY
You ask "who the **** cares?" The simple answer is the fans of that club, the season ticket holders, the people who spend hundreds if not thousands to see their club play each week. I'm pretty sure anyone who cares about the sport doesn't like to see a club go down due to problems off the pitch.
I agree, did you see all those passionate fans singing at Wembley firing their club on? They are going to be the real losers if the club vanishes.
Not to mention the fact that Pompey is a traditional club was started in 1898 has won the English League & FA cup twice. Not just any old club which no one will care about.
Not to mention the town Portsmouth which would be clubless-
Originally posted by §P0oONY
You're an idiot if you don't things have just gotten out of hand. These clubs are being preasured into spending millions on players. Millions they just can't afford. Rich clubs are pushing up the values of players so smaller clubs have to spend in order to compete. There is also no transparency so no one outside the club has any idea of the problems until it's too late.You ask "who the **** cares?" The simple answer is the fans of that club, the season ticket holders, the people who spend hundreds if not thousands to see their club play each week. I'm pretty sure anyone who cares about the sport doesn't like to see a club go down due to problems off the pitch.
Too right. And as the cost of upkeeping the teams and recruiting players goes up, so does ticket pricing. I don't think this guy understands how overpriced these tickets have become. Not sure about you, but I can hardly afford to go see matches in person these days, its not because I don't want to, i love seeing matches in person its 100% better than seeing it on the tele, but the price is so high I just can't afford to go every week, or even every other week when my pockets are that skint.
Rocas, indeed, you have to be blind if you can't see how ridiculous things have gotten in terms of money in football.
Originally posted by Liberator
Rocas, indeed, you have to be blind if you can't see how ridiculous things have gotten in terms of money in football.
Originally posted by RocasAtollNothing can be done about it? Erm... Wage caps.... Lots of other sports have them. That's one thing we can learn from the Americans. Let the players make their fortunes from sponsership deals.
No, they are ridiculous, it's just the fact that nothing will be done unless clubs learn it the hard way. So far, the message hasn't gotten across in England and it's unfortunate. Teams have to learn to spend within their means. And it will take clubs failing for that message to finally be beaten into these owners heads.
Of course but people are going to pay to see football one way or another, its a pastime. It's frustrating because they're taking advantage of this and just raising the price on everything.
Rocas, I somewhat agree with you on that, there needs to be a "okay we cannot afford this player, lets play with what we have" but at the sametime players shouldn't be getting as much as they did.
What, didn't Ronaldo get like £80 million when he signed to Madrid? That is RIDICULOUS. That's more money than some grounds cost.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
To be fair, the reason they're so rich is because the fans pay for the games.
They're not rich out of thin air.
-AC
I think the fans used to be the main money input factor. But is it the case nowadays?. With rich owners buying clubs and re-financing loans using the clubs assets, not to mention the TV channels paying for the rights, the advertisements which you find everywhere (I don´t know how the players concentrate with them moving animated bill boards around the pitch), I´m surpirsed they havn´t written ads on the pitches yet like in some sports.
Also the richer clubs get richer, those who reach the Champions league get millions for reaching each stage from what I know, plus the extra ticket sales, jerseys etc because of their success so they get richer. Its almost impossible for any other clubs to get this far unless a Man City scenario arises (ie rich owner).
Originally posted by Liberator
What, didn't Ronaldo get like £80 million when he signed to Madrid? That is RIDICULOUS. That's more money than some grounds cost.
or some football clubs complete with grounds and players🙂
I suppose value is deemed by the ones willing to pay, I´d rather buy a bunch of young technical players to build on than 1 player if I was a manager.
Originally posted by Liberator
Of course but people are going to pay to see football one way or another, its a pastime. It's frustrating because they're taking advantage of this and just raising the price on everything.Rocas, I somewhat agree with you on that, there needs to be a "okay we cannot afford this player, lets play with what we have" but at the sametime players shouldn't be getting as much as they did.
What, didn't Ronaldo get like £80 million when he signed to Madrid? That is RIDICULOUS. That's more money than some grounds cost.
The fact is, do you think Real Madrid fans are bitching? No, they wanted Ronaldo.
-AC
The point is, money isn't ruining football.
If Liverpool didn't have a mega shit season, which they've had coming, Man City wouldn't be in the running for 4th and neither would Spurs. Man City's money hasn't got them where they are, really.
I can see the issue with it, by all means, but I think it's just coming from people who support clubs without money. Arsenal can't go and buy a Messi or an Ibrahimovic, but that's the way it is.
If Messi suddenly decided to go to Stoke City, Tony Pulis would retract every comment made about foreigners or money.
-AC
I don't have problem with there being a lot of money in the sport. I just think there should be limits. The football wouldn't suffer because of it. Ronaldo isn't going to play worse because there is less money being transfered for or being paid to him.
And this is coming from someone who supports a pretty wealthy team which does currently have a decent amount of foreign players.
Liverpool has been having trouble ever since we got the American owners who are completely ruining LFC.
Money is a real problem in football right now, It's a shame too that such a focus has been shifted on it. You think they'd lower the ticket prices with all the mega-profit they get to from those ads, shirt sales, ect.
I don't understand it, I just don't.
One thing that is a bit annoying I find is that you get all these foreign investors who don't seem to give a shit about the clubs they buy. That's one thing I think the Bundesliga has got right, they only allow German investors. This means that the people buying the clubs are pretty much always going to be fans.
Naturally it's a doube edged sword though, the EPL wouldn't be anything like it is today without the foreign investors but at the same time you're constantly seeing clubs being shat on by owners that just don't seem to care.
Saying that, NUFC's owner is English, and he's not exactly been a shining light for the club.
So maybe don't get rid of foreign investors but make them take tests to see if they are a fan. 😛
I'm going all over the place here... Just ignore me.