Originally posted by Lazerlike42
Further, I just thought of something else. I am pretty sure there is smoke coming off of Palpatine's face while he's being fried, which would pretty much settle this arguement once and for all. PLEASE tell me somebody has it....
There, i believe you are right sir, BUUUT i wouldnt buy into the smoke if I were you. That really doeant mean anything.
When Luke was getting fried, there was no smoke.
When Anakin got fried int ep2. there was smoke
When Yoda got caught there was no smoke.
You are right about Sids having smoke on his face, but that had nothing to do the the change in his face.
Yoda gets blasted for literally a fraction of a second, so of course he doesn't mutate. Palps got blasted for a good 30, 45 seconds.
I'm not quite sure what your point is about the 50 something Palpatine. Firstly he's closer to 70 in this movie, secondly he looks weird because he got fried lol.... that lsat part is confusing because it seems to support my arguement, insofar as it says that no person would really look that way, and this requires that something else made him look that way.
Look, it's official that he is human. If that's so, why would his true appearence be all weird? You're right that no human would look that way, so it CAN'T be his natural appearence!
Originally posted by jrodslam
There, i believe you are right sir, BUUUT i wouldnt buy into the smoke if I were you. That really doeant mean anything.When Luke was getting fried, there was no smoke.
When Anakin got fried int ep2. there was smoke
When Yoda got caught there was no smoke.You are right about Sids having smoke on his face, but that had nothing to do the the change in his face.
Well hold on. If Luke had no smoke and had no disfiguration, and Anakin had no disfiguaation and no smoke, and Yoda had no smoke or disfiguration but Palpatine had both...... you must see where I'm going.
The smoke was there because his face was getting fried and melted. The other people had no smoke because this did not occur.
WHY would Lucas put smoke into this one scene, and none of the others, if it didn't mean that!? It has to be there for some reason!!!!
I am not arguing that he is human, HE IS, but it has been stated that Sidious has been around for well over a hundred years , and chancellor Palpatine is supposed to be in his fifties (take 70s if you wish) either way, he COULDN'T look like the plain ole Palps we see in the prequels, therefore, the look of Sids is his TRUE appearance!!!
I had thought so.
I know it sounds weak but I have to chalk it up as 20 years difference in moviemaking and GL's ideas. When he made ROTJ he put that in there for effect.
In any case, when he made the PT he eliminated the smoke from all but one particular case, and there must be a reason for that. It's something he can't go back and change, just like he can't go back and change the fact that he purposefully made the OT saber duels more slowpaced and bulky (watch AOTC special features).
Since we're talking about it from a filmmaking perspective, let me bring out this point (which is actually more valid given it's based in reality and not the fantasy universe we've been arguing in). If you read many things, for instance the current Entertainment Weekly article on ROTS, you'll see that Lucas actually didn't come up with most of the prequel story until he started scripting the PT in the late 90s. He had only very vague ideas in the 70/80s. In 1980/83 when he came up with the Emperor, he made him look all gross and weird for effect. Once he made the plotlines for the PT, he realized he couldn't have a gross looking guy as the politician, he had to have a Clintonesque charismatic, relatively attractive looking fellow. Therefore, he had to come up with some sort of way to explain the difference in appearence, and the scene we're all arguing about is his solution.
Why, if Palpatine is revealing his true appearence, did he choose to do it in the middle of a fight? Anakin doesn't care what the guy looks like.... If his appearence was manipulation, it was for the senate, not Anakin. Seems like an awkward time to put the effort in to changing ones appearence, whether he was actually struggling for his life or concentrating on holding Mace off and manipulating Anakin all at once.
Originally posted by Lazerlike42
Well hold on. If Luke had no smoke and had no disfiguration, and Anakin had no disfiguaation and no smoke, and Yoda had no smoke or disfiguration but Palpatine had both...... you must see where I'm going.The smoke was there because his face was getting fried and melted. The other people had no smoke because this did not occur.
WHY would Lucas put smoke into this one scene, and none of the others, if it didn't mean that!? It has to be there for some reason!!!!
In my post, I stated that Anakin got fried and WAS smoking in ep2.
Originally posted by mtryder
I think the point that he's making is that if he's human, and if he's hundreds of years old, then the 70-or-so appearance that he gives off as palpatine must be a facade. Valid point, but it doesn't change the fact that Palpatine's face was depicted melting on screen. Kinda hard to debate that.
I don't know perhaps. All I know is Lucas said he was the same age as Palpatine, not the same age as the age Palpatine was pretending to be lol 😛
Originally posted by Lazerlike42
In any case, when he made the PT he eliminated the smoke from all but one particular case, and there must be a reason for that. It's something he can't go back and change,
Why not? He changed it and put Hayden in the end scene with Obi and Yoda.
Originally posted by Lazerlike42
Why, if Palpatine is revealing his true appearence, did he choose to do it in the middle of a fight? Anakin doesn't care what the guy looks like.... If his appearence was manipulation, it was for the senate, not Anakin. Seems like an awkward time to put the effort in to changing ones appearence, whether he was actually struggling for his life or concentrating on holding Mace off and manipulating Anakin all at once.
Sids did that in front of Anakin to show to him that the Jedi were wrong in their judgements "Look what Mace is doing to me" Was what he was trying to show Anakin.
He did the same with the Senate. "Look what the Jedi have done to me." Of course hes not going to say, "This is my true form. All along you all had a Sith Lord in office. HAHAHAHA!"
Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
nah, I'm pretty sure it's Luke that's smoking... or at least, is supposed to be...
Im looking at it now. 😄
When he first gets hit with it, the metal rail besides him gets broken and smokes. While hes on the floor, the electricity is all over the place and all the electronics are smoking. At least most of them in the close area.
The electricity is still on him though. Even when Sids isnt shocking him.
*Note* That in the final 2 shocks, Its all through Lukes face. And it last about a good min and a half.
Yeah, I just watched it too...
most of the smoke does seem to be coming from the metal stuff around him... but I think the idea was to show that it is Luke who is smoking, but of course back then they were unable to actually set a real person on fire 😉
I could be wrong but that's how I see it...
anyway, wether or not Luke's smoking is irrelevant I think to wether or not the lightning did change palps's face.