Palpatine and Mace Windu Debate [Merged]

First of all, as I said Luke was not fried directly to the face. Palpatine's lightning hit nothing BUT his face.

Secondly, the GRAND TOTAL time itself does not matter. What matters insofar as what I am speaking about is the longest individual segment of uninteruppted exposure, which Palpatine would have easily been subjected to.

Assume it is twice as long for Luke... it would look something like this:

Luke:

____8____ __7______ ___8______ _____10_______ ____8____

Palpatine:

_____________25____________

in regards to Sidious calling Yoda a friend, he actually called him "my little green friend". Could be wrong, but to me it seemed like he was just being sarcastic, and that it didn't necessarily imply any prior knowledge of each other.

Actually he calls him his "little green friend"

Dude, no way!! He was like crying to pops, pops was contemplating, etc. "so be it Jedi" etc. Palps got like 30 seconds, the emp was on Luke for 2 solid minutes of screen time!

First of all, when Sids was giving the lightning to Mace, its wasnt at full power at all. He wasnt getting tired. Thats what he wanted Anakin to believe so that he would help him. He made it seem as if he was getting weak and defenceless. And a Jedi rule is not to attack the weak and defenceless. Even Anakin knew that, and said it to Mace so that Palpy could be arrested and not destroyed.

Us lifting weights in reality doesnt apply to the Star Wars universe. What Jedi or Sith do you see get tired from using force powers? Thats why they train. As Yoda said in TESB "No different. Only in your mind."

There arent hardly any Physics in the SWU. Bad analogy.

In ROTJ, when Sids was shocking Luke with the lightning, he wasnt toying around at all. What were you watching? He was indeed tryng to kill him and was using his full power.

Either way, Sidious had Luke on low burn. When that lightning came back and smacked him in the face, however, he was taking the full brunt of his entire arsenal. Not exactly comparable scenarios.

In ROTJ, when Sids was shocking Luke with the lightning, he wasnt toying around at all. What were you watching? He was indeed tryng to kill him and was using his full power.

In ROTS, Sidious' lightning shot Mace about a quarter mile out the window. In RoTJ, it wasn't even enough to, in of itself, knock Luke down. He wasn't using his full power. You're wrong.

You still haven't explained why the lightning isn't hurting him. Especially when Yoda throws it back at him during their fight and it does plenty.

NO HE WASN'T. First of all, he was there for two minutes easy yes. But he kept STOPPING every few seconds to "gloat," which makes ALL the difference. He would shock Luke for 10 or 15 seconds and then stop and chatter for 30 or so before starting up again, MORE than enough time for Luke's atoms to dissapate the energy that would make his skin melt were it to continue.

And he was ABSOLUTELY toying. Why do you think when he was about to kill him he said, "And now, young Jedi, you will die?" It's because all of the previous shocks weren't meant to be lethal, just painful. He was toying with Luke until the last one.

Can we go back to the topic of the thread... Mace and Yoda.... This is not a comparison between Sidious and Luke....

Different Decade guys, different effects in movies, different technology... Different scenarios for each (Prequal and Origional Trilogy)

Originally posted by Wanderer259
You still haven't explained why the lightning isn't hurting him. Especially when Yoda throws it back at him during their fight and it does plenty.

Precisely. Look, he may be a Dark Lord of the Sith and all that, but he's still just a living creature, and outside forces hurt him just the same as anybody else. Darth Maul wasn't immune to getting a lightsaber slashed through his side, was he? Count Dooku wasn't either. Did Sidious' force ability keep him from getting hurt when Yoda tossed him over the chair? Sith Lord or not, when you get hit in the face with lightning, it's gonna do some damage!

HAHA, lazerlike, that's just the facts... HA, good one.

Originally posted by mtryder
In ROTS, Sidious' lightning shot Mace about a quarter mile out the window. In RoTJ, it wasn't even enough to, in of itself, knock Luke down. He wasn't using his full power. You're wrong.

That was when he indeed unleashed his full power. And it sent Mace flying.
In ROTJ, it knocked Luke down as soon as it hit. Those are the facts.

Okay, and Yoda's hands didn't get all deformed when coming into contact with Dookus lightning in Ep.2.....

esplain

He manipulated it with the force. For the same reason that Dooku/Sidious' hands don't get burned in the process of creating the lightning, Yoda's don't in the process of redirecting it. I assure you, however, that Sidious was not using his face to redirect that lightning.

When Sids got knocked over the chair that hurt him? No.

When he and Yoda battled in force lightning at went flying, that hurt them? No.

You cant compare a lightsaber slash to force lightning because Yoda was able to deflect and absorb lightning.

Noone can absorb a lighsaber slash. What you brought up is nulled sir.

In ep2, Yoda totaly absorbed Dooku's lightning. There was no manipulation. Its because Yoda is powerfull where it doesnt hurt him.

You're right, because he was using the force to cradle the lightning and dissipate it, just as he was at the end of his duel with Sidious.

Even so, when Yoda was struck by the lightning without having the oppurtunity to use the force in defense, he got fried too. That said, Sidious didn't have the oppurtunity to do this. Why? He was creating the lightning.... he can't create it and defend it simeltaneously! His hands were too busy zapping to cradle.

Further, I just thought of something else. I am pretty sure there is smoke coming off of Palpatine's face while he's being fried, which would pretty much settle this arguement once and for all. PLEASE tell me somebody has it....

Originally posted by mtryder
He manipulated it with the force. For the same reason that Dooku/Sidious' hands don't get burned in the process of creating the lightning, Yoda's don't in the process of redirecting it. I assure you, however, that Sidious was not using his face to redirect that lightning.

NOBODY can get hit by force lightning head on without suffering some kind of damage, be it as minor as pain, or as major as death.