this is a matter of opinion question really...
ok, mace DID end up kicking palps in the face and making him lose his saber...that was not palps being tricky or anything, however i do think still that he could have beaten windo even without his saber. and was playing cause anakin came in when he did.
a simple force push to knock windu away from him (out of rage to use his saber since palps no longer had one) and some crazy force lightning and he would have won.
Really! Do you guys think that Agen, Kit and Saesee were padawans??? They were MASTERS who were taken out in SECONDS by Sids, who then got it on with Mace!! This element has been left out of every page of these arguments! Sidious didn't face off against Mace Windu...he faced off against 4 Jedi MASTERS, of which only Mace could hold on for a moment longer. Sidious was SO the most powerfull entity in this encounter!!!
Originally posted by moviejunkie23I think otherwise. I think that GL, who spent 9 years and 3 movies showing us what a complete and utter master manipulator Palps was , was just showcasing the final strokes of his master scheme.
i was strongly convinced after watching the movie it was lucas intention that Sids lost and the only reason Sids lived to make the empire was because of Anikin's turn to the darkside. Period
I thought it was pretty obvios and not too much room to read into anything else.
In ROTS, Yoda is around 880 years old. From his aged appearence, we can infer that he is certainly getting on in years. This fact allows us to speculate that his death in ROTJ at approximately 900 is, in fact, relatively in line with his natural life span and not the result of unexpected illness or some other cause. Therefore, when Yoda fights Dooku and Sidious, he has completed 880/900, or 97.8% of his life. Let us, for the sake of arguement, and because we are not completely certain of Yoda's lifespan, drop this to 90%, thus giving a handicap to our calculations.
We then look at Sidious. George Lucas stated during the making of TPM that he and Palpatine were approximately the same age. Lucas was 53 at the time. Given that, he is approximately 65-70 during AOTC and ROTS. 20 years later, he would be approximately 90. According to the Official Site, Palpatine is human, and therefore would have a lifespan of 100 years or so (given modern lifespans coupled with the advanced medical technology availible in the Star Wars universe). If he is 90, then he has used 90/100 or 90% of his natural life span by ROTJ. Further, this does not even take into account the fact that as a person who uses the force, and who as stated by Palpatine himself in ROTS learned many secrets of life from his master.
If Yoda is able to, at 90% old, do what he did in AOTC and ROTS, then Palpatine has NO EXCUSES.
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
this is a matter of opinion question really...ok, mace DID end up kicking palps in the face and making him lose his saber...that was not palps being tricky or anything, however i do think still that he could have beaten windo even without his saber. and was playing cause anakin came in when he did.
a simple force push to knock windu away from him (out of rage to use his saber since palps no longer had one) and some crazy force lightning and he would have won.
I agree with you 100%. Sids would have beaten Mace even if he didnt have a saber.
Originally posted by moviejunkie23
i was strongly convinced after watching the movie it was lucas intention that Sids lost and the only reason Sids lived to make the empire was because of Anikin's turn to the darkside. Period
I thought it was pretty obvios and not too much room to read into anything else.
Agreed. There are two truly pivotal moments over the course of the six movies: Anakin's turning on the Jedi to save Sidious, and Vader's turning on Sidious to save Luke. This is a blatant, obvious parallel on far, far too many levels to be a coincidence. In order for this to be true, however, Palpatine must have needed Anakin in order to survive. Anything less throws the entire theme of the six movies out of whack. Anakin's actions were what directly allowed for both the beginning and the end of the Empire. Without the former, the latter loses all significance, and the theme of redemption is partially ruined.
*Sigh*
Did Sidious relying on Anakin yes but it wasnt in the lightsabre duel. The lightsabre duel was well over by the time Anakin came in. Mace bested Sidious swordsman ship. I will quote something i read about Jackson and his character Mace Windu dying ...
"On his possible death in Ep. III, Jackson explained to Lucas that he didnt mind dying as long as he went out cool."
That was taken from that stupid 'Flick' book they gave me when I went to see it for my third time. How cool would it be to go out knowing your character bested a Sith Lord?
Sidious got beat with a lightsabre. Go back and watch it. Sidious was not holding back on the three Jedi Masters that died and he was not holding back on Mace. Only reason he needed Anakin is because he did get beat.
Ok ... This is the last time I am doing this ... Haha! 🤣