sick of hearing about how sids was faking his loss

Started by Darth Plagueis6 pages

Originally posted by Lazerlike42
In ROTS, Yoda is around 880 years old. From his aged appearence, we can infer that he is certainly getting on in years. This fact allows us to speculate that his death in ROTJ at approximately 900 is, in fact, relatively in line with his natural life span and not the result of unexpected illness or some other cause. Therefore, when Yoda fights Dooku and Sidious, he has completed 880/900, or 97.8% of his life. Let us, for the sake of arguement, and because we are not completely certain of Yoda's lifespan, drop this to 90%, thus giving a handicap to our calculations.

We then look at Sidious. George Lucas stated during the making of TPM that he and Palpatine were approximately the same age. Lucas was 53 at the time. Given that, he is approximately 65-70 during AOTC and ROTS. 20 years later, he would be approximately 90. According to the Official Site, Palpatine is human, and therefore would have a lifespan of 100 years or so (given modern lifespans coupled with the advanced medical technology availible in the Star Wars universe). If he is 90, then he has used 90/100 or 90% of his natural life span by ROTJ. Further, this does not even take into account the fact that as a person who uses the force, and who as stated by Palpatine himself in ROTS learned many secrets of life from his master.

If Yoda is able to, at 90% old, do what he did in AOTC and ROTS, then Palpatine has NO EXCUSES.

Gah!! Age is relative to species and cannot be compared equally!! A Tortugas turtle lives longer than a human, but an Ant is 10,000 times stronger based on his size, weight, and load bearing capability, and is lucky to live ayear!!

Originally posted by Darth Plagueis
Gah!! Age is relative to species and cannot be compared equally!! A Tortugas turtle lives longer than a human, but an Ant is 10,000 times stronger based on his size, weight, and load bearing capability, and is lucky to live ayear!!

*Shakes hand in the air*

Them freaking power hungry ants!

That is correct, but an ant at the end of it's lifespan loses just as much physical strength as any other creature. No creature simply maintains all of it's strength until the end of it's lifespan....

You ever had a dog that got old? Did it keep on running around and playing fetch until it died or did it get all tired and mopey?

Doesn't matter. I shot it out the window like any good MASTER would. 😛 😛

Gah!! Age is relative to species and cannot be compared equally!! A Tortugas turtle lives longer than a human, but an Ant is 10,000 times stronger based on his size, weight, and load bearing capability, and is lucky to live ayear!!

Either way, I think we can all agree that age has affected Yoda quite a bit, hence his using a cane to walk and having generally impaired mobility up until he actually fights (an endeavor in which he uses intimate knowledge of the force and pure force of will to overcome his age barriers). So the original point of whoever made it still stands.

Sure. 900 years and he can't get over a speech impediment??? Thats why he's in a swamp for 20 years while Sidious is living the effin high life as ruler of...um...oh yeah, EVERYTHING!!!

Mace "not going out like some punk" doesn't necessarily mean he beat Sidious. He fought a valiant battle to destroy the Dark Lord. When the other three Masters were defeated he didn't run like a coward. Not to say he wasn't a challenge for Sidious, but him saying that doesn't prove that Sidious was defeated.

Originally posted by Darth Plagueis
Sure. 900 years and he can't get over a speech impediment??? Thats why he's in a swamp for 20 years while Sidious is living the effin high life as ruler of...um...oh yeah, EVERYTHING!!!

If you're serious that really hurts your credibility....

Yeah, goddamn. I kinda respected your arguments up until now, but another post or two like that, and you'll make a worthy addition to my ignore list.

Delta 62: I agree that SLJ's statement doesn't prove that Mace defeated Sidious. What exactly transpired in the film, however, does.

Sidious would voluntarily let Mace melt his face?

From what I thought, Sidious is not the same age as Yoda. Sidious is closer to 400.

Yoda has had over 800 years to prefect his ways in the force and the ways of the Jedi. You think he would not be able to defeat a Sith Master...??? Fools

No, Sidious wasn't defeated by Mace at all. That's why the Sith Master has an Apprentice to aide him in his conquest to keep his power.

Incase you missed out, Yoda took on Sidous. It ended in what I would call a kind of stalemate in Yoda's favor. Still Sidious took a harsh beating from Yoda.

Just for you fans that think that Sidious was pretending to loose.

"if so powerful you are, why escape"

If Sidious didn't know Anakin would come why did he let him go and tell Mace?

Originally posted by Lazerlike42
If you're serious that really hurts your credibility....
Oh please! You can't argue the age issue and then disallow a senility comment (meant in jest, I might add)...and my friend, I left credibility at the door when I checked in! 😛

Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
If Sidious didn't know Anakin would come why did he let him go and tell Mace?

Because he underestimated the Jedi, and Mace in particular. Foreshadowing to his eventual downfall.

Originally posted by mtryder
Because he underestimated the Jedi, and Mace in particular. Foreshadowing to his eventual downfall.
After a TWENTY-FIVE YEAR UNCONTESTED RULE!!!!

He didnt underestimate the Jedi, he foresaw everythig that would happen. He counted to Anakins trust to the Jedi to tell them that he was indeed the Sith Lord. He was even waiting in his Chambers for them to come and "try" to arrest him. He also counted on Anakin's love for Padme, and realized that he was the only one who could teach him how to save her. Palpy knew that that would overrule the Jedi order thus changing Anakin to the darkside by now allowing anything to hapen to Palps.

^ I agree.

The emperor wanted Luke! Same damn pattern!

I still think at that moment when mace supposivly had Palp down would of been a good chance for Ani to knock him out or slaughter him. But the tides turned when you think of the letdown that Mace did to Ani earlyer. And after the elimination of Mace, I also thought Palp put Ani under some sort of 'Dark Side' spell/ trance/ sith mind trick or somthing.

Not really... Anakin just wanted to do everything for Padme, but once you start down the downside you stay on it.

and about the faking issue, okay good arguments for both side i just want to add one more.

Sidious ran away from Yoda... IF he could have beaten Mace easily even when he was down why did he fear Yoda so much? Why did he want to run away? I mean if you can beat the second without any problems why run from the first he can't be all that much more powerful.

Now I am saying without any trouble because why risk your life for turning Anakin? Sidious doesn't seem like one that would let things over to chance.