Start his turn? Have you not been watching the other movies? Anakin first step to the dark side was with the sand people, the next step was killing Dooku and the last step was not killing Sidious when Anakin found out. Anakin was already turned to the dark side.
Oh im sorry ... Anakin didnt kill Mace Windu. Anakin punked him like old cry boy Anakin does.
"It was all part of his plan to get Anakin to kill Mace and start his turn."
-cal31
Go back mate and watch the movie
Originally posted by Kenpokarate 2I have "mate". Why don't you be a member for longer than a week, and then you can talk. I've seen more times than you have, and it started his true turn to the dark side and become his apprentice. And what the hell is up with you thinking that kiling Count Dooku was evil, but then you think he should've killed an unarmed Sidious. Make up your minde already "mate". Everything he had done that was against the Jedi code up until that point was not truely evil, I mean killing the people who killed his mom, who wouldn't do that, and killing the Seperatist leader who cut your arm off, understandable, but killing one of his fellow Jedi, that was his first truely evil act.
Start his turn? Have you not been watching the other movies? Anakin first step to the dark side was with the sand people, the next step was killing Dooku and the last step was not killing Sidious when Anakin found out. Anakin was already turned to the dark side.Oh im sorry ... Anakin didnt kill Mace Windu. Anakin punked him like old cry boy Anakin does.
"It was all part of his plan to get Anakin to kill Mace and start his turn."
-cal31Go back mate and watch the movie
I agree with Kenpo. Even Palpy and Yoda knew that what Anakin did to the sand people was leading him to the wrong path. Yoda senced the pain, and sids senced the anger and hatred.
Sids knew that the Jedi were going to try and areest him. Thats why he wasnt surprised when they came into his chambers. He was waiting on them. He was stalling while fighting Mace. Why? Because he was counting on Anakin to come and see how the Jedi were indeed trying to control things.
Sids is master manipulator and he knew that Anakin need him to teach him how to save Padme. Thats why he was playing possum and was faking the whole time. "Im soo weak" Bullshit. Anakin played into the trap lovely.
Didn't anyone notice how "un-Sith lord like" it was to crawl feverously away from your opponent? And beg for help? Not to mention Ian was really hammin' it up there. Overacting in such a way as too convey to the audience that he's lying. Much like Dooku in AOTC when Obi-wan's been captured and he says "Oh no my friend, this has all been a mistake, a terrible mistake". And you know he's lying. He's totally overacting to show his deciet. Its a very old acting trick used on the stage a lot. Palps was clearly faking it. And no minute of rest lets someone whose been beaten jump up with THAT much energy. And the whole "unlimited power" line was almost a huge middle finger to Mace, basically telling Mace that the Sith were unbeatable. All that scene was meant to do was show how warped Anakin had become and give him his final test of the Darkside; to mirror his choice of the Empreror or Luke in ROTJ. Palps put that test there for Anakin, and Anakin did exactly what he was supposed to do.
I can't believe people are like "didn't you see him crawl away? He looked defeated!" Because thats the friggin' gag people! Its supposed to LOOK like he's defeated. Its called ACTING. All of you who believe he was defeated fell for his deception, much like Anakin did. Pretty funny actually.
Originally posted by mephistodesignsWell put. It's amazing how dumb and ignorant some people are on these boards.
Didn't anyone notice how "un-Sith lord like" it was to crawl feverously away from your opponent? And beg for help? Not to mention Ian was really hammin' it up there. Overacting in such a way as too convey to the audience that he's lying. Much like Dooku in AOTC when Obi-wan's been captured and he says "Oh no my friend, this has all been a mistake, a terrible mistake". And you know he's lying. He's totally overacting to show his deciet. Its a very old acting trick used on the stage a lot. Palps was clearly faking it. And no minute of rest lets someone whose been beaten jump up with THAT much energy. And the whole "unlimited power" line was almost a huge middle finger to Mace, basically telling Mace that the Sith were unbeatable. All that scene was meant to do was show how warped Anakin had become and give him his final test of the Darkside; to mirror his choice of the Empreror or Luke in ROTJ. Palps put that test there for Anakin, and Anakin did exactly what he was supposed to do.I can't believe people are like "didn't you see him crawl away? He looked defeated!" Because thats the friggin' gag people! Its supposed to LOOK like he's defeated. Its called ACTING. All of you who believe he was defeated fell for his deception, much like Anakin did. Pretty funny actually.
I used to think that way but I have spent the better part of 24 hours straight on here realizing that at besy my belief is questionable.
We have Lucas confirming that the lightning is what turned his face ugly. That begs the question why would he let himself get that messed up for a lie, when it was totally unecessary and Anakin would have turned anyways. Yes he then showed it to the senate as evidence, but he is simply playing things to his benefit, just as he played Amidala's UNINTENDED escape from Naboo in TPM to his own designs.
Look, he loses his saber before Anakin gets there, and so he tries to fry Mace because he's desperate. What if Anakin doesn't do anything? What if Mace wasn't such a bumbling idiot and just stabbed Palpatine instead of rambling on dramatically? He was being overpowered dramatically before Anakin gets there, and had plenty of chance to actually die, any given second during that time he could have. Do you really think he put himself at that risk?
Further, look at this post by mtyrdr:
There are two truly pivotal moments over the course of the six movies: Anakin's turning on the Jedi to save Sidious, and Vader's turning on Sidious to save Luke. This is a blatant, obvious parallel on far, far too many levels to be a coincidence. In order for this to be true, however, Palpatine must have needed Anakin in order to survive. Anything less throws the entire theme of the six movies out of whack. Anakin's actions were what directly allowed for both the beginning and the end of the Empire. Without the former, the latter loses all significance, and the theme of redemption is partially ruined.
FURTHERMORE, Ian overacted in ROTJ, too, but he wasn't lying to anybody then....
I already covered what mtydr said in your quote. See below:
"All that scene was meant to do was show how warped Anakin had become and give him his final test of the Darkside; to mirror his choice of the Empreror or Luke in ROTJ. Palps put that test there for Anakin, and Anakin did exactly what he was supposed to do.
I can't believe people are like "didn't you see him crawl away? He looked defeated!" Because thats the friggin' gag people! Its supposed to LOOK like he's defeated. Its called ACTING. All of you who believe he was defeated fell for his deception, much like Anakin did. Pretty funny actually. "
Furthermore, I don't even like Mace Windu....
And furthermore, why is it that everytime people argue against this they ignore the fact that his face got toasted crispy and never try to counter it? Before at least that had some merit, but since we now have Lucas confirming that is indeed what happened....
apparently he didn't care. I still think he looked like that all the time and the lightening just tore his "facade" away. Otherwise his eyes would always have been all Sith like. He certainly wanted Ani to think Mace was damaging Palps. And I don't like Mace either, he's a dick. Glad they handled him.
WTF? Lucas just said the lighttening made him look like that. I said the lightening made him reveal his true face, so the lightening did technically make him look like that. So what I told you was true, from a certain point of view.
And besides, you didn't even understand TPM until I explained it to you a couple weeks ago, and don't try to deny it, I can post your pm's, so I'm listening to you why?
why do people take so personaly when you point out the emp was punked like a little biotch???
Of course he was hammin it up when anikin arrived, he needed to ham it up in order to survive. Nonetheless without anikins intervention the movie made it so clear he got punked. I thought maybe it was possible that he was faking before watching the movie but after watching it i saw how apparent it was meant to come across sids got walloped and anikins choice to intervene ultimatley caused the empire.