sick of hearing about how sids was faking his loss

right...lets look at the evidence

from episode 2

"im grateful to be obi wans apprentice...he's as wise as master yoda and as powerful as master windu"

does this imply that windu is more powerful than yoda?

perhaps

palps beat yoda?...mace beats palps?...

lets look at what happened at the end of windu vs palps fight

palps is having the force lightning deflected into his face and he is saying

"i cant hold this much longer anakin...im too weak"...

anakin then gives windu the chop and palps suddenly changes to screaming

"power...UNLIMITED POWER"

chucks mace out the windu then stands up as if he has just slipped on a banana skin rather than having his face fried off

I don't see what that line has to do with it. It just imply's that Obi is as powerful as Windu not that Windu is more powerful then Yoda... It implies nothing.

Its like saying he's as smart as *smart guy* and as weak as *weak guy* doesn't matter at all

Sidious was FAking it,

Did you even see in the fight when Sidious has his sabre point towards Mace's chest? he could of easily struck him down.

Denki thats all part of Maces' style give the dark opponent what they think is an opening then use it agaisnt them when they try to go fer it...you notice he opened himself up more than once

I have spoken of this in other threads but after thinking about it some more i belive the truth is that both arguments are correct. Was sidous fakin Yes. Did Mace beat him Yes. Let me explain.
Altho Sidous has the ability to forsee future events these are not written in stone he can only see the possibilites.He may have know that when the Jedi come for him Anakin would also come drawn by the lure of power to protect his wife.
I belive that Sidous may have been stalling Mace waiting for anakin to show up.I aslo think that he underestimated how powerful Mace was and when he cut the wind he may have been planning an easy end to the fight should things turn sour.
I however do not think sidous meant to drop his saber this took him by suprise he was really afraid there for a second then when he saw anakin come in he was kinda relived and started playing into his act as the victim.
So its sort of a half and half that yes he was stalling but also yes Mace beat him cause he underestimated Mace and was takin by suprise.
Remb not everything he plans turns out the way he wants.He wanted Padme to sign th treaty on Naboo in EP1 but she manged to escape and he used it to get elected to offfice.He didnt plan it that way but he took advantage of it anayway.

pretty well said....sept its not half and half...Sids thought he would dominate anyone before him..Mace first proved different......undeniably...he beat Sids.....hands down...or cut off by annie in his case...lol

Yeah I really started off thinking Palpatine was faking it, and I was VERY strong in that belief, but after all the arguements no I doubt he was. Now we seem to have GL confirmation that the lightning actually burned his face and it wasn't his choice to make it that way/it had always been that way underneath or anything, and if that's so there's no way we can imagine Palpatine let his face get messed up as part of his plan, especially given how totally arrogant he is in thinking he can defeat anybody. The fact that he runs from Yoda but not from FOUR Jedi, including Mace makes this clear. He started off thinking he could take on four, or forty Jedi himself if he had to, but was scared to death after he barely escaped Mace so he didn't want to go through it again with Yoda.

Oh I agree with u Sithkiller that Sidious is arrogant and thinks he can defeat anyone but I also belive that he knew Anakin would come and wanted to hold out till Anakin was there so ge could prove to Anakin that the Jedi are up to no good. I also belive he underestimated how powerfull Mace is and thats why he lost he didnt mean to loose his saber but it happned. w/o a saber its hard to fight another Master.. even yoda had to run away cause his saber was destroyed when hit with sith lightning.

Originally posted by Lazerlike42
Yeah I really started off thinking Palpatine was faking it, and I was VERY strong in that belief, but after all the arguements no I doubt he was. Now we seem to have GL confirmation that the lightning actually burned his face and it wasn't his choice to make it that way/it had always been that way underneath or anything, and if that's so there's no way we can imagine Palpatine let his face get messed up as part of his plan, especially given how totally arrogant he is in thinking he can defeat anybody. The fact that he runs from Yoda but not from FOUR Jedi, including Mace makes this clear. He started off thinking he could take on four, or forty Jedi himself if he had to, but was scared to death after he barely escaped Mace so he didn't want to go through it again with Yoda.

good points for sure. I can defonatley see that. After you underestimate your opponent and get a scar that covers your entire face you begin to think about what your doing a little different. Now ehn yoda came to confront him he knew that yoda was no average jedi and maybe even as strong or stronger than mace so he was trying to get the frek out of there.
I guess people just love sids, no matter what you want to say they will always contend that sids would have beaten mace, not matter how obvios it was he got pawned by Mace

I know... I can't believe the arguement I had trying to prove that Sidious' defeat in Ep 6 was pathetic and if he was really powerful that wouldn't have happened like it did.... I had to go so far as to do MATH jawdrop

YES IF YOU BELIVE THAT SIDS IS INVINCIBLE AND ALL KNOWING PLEASE WATCH EPISODE 6.

Originally posted by Fishy
I don't see what that line has to do with it. It just imply's that Obi is as powerful as Windu not that Windu is more powerful then Yoda... It implies nothing.

Its like saying he's as smart as *smart guy* and as weak as *weak guy* doesn't matter at all

then why didn't he just say..."he's as wise and powerful as master yoda"

what it means, IMO, is that Mace is the greatest swordsman in the Jedi Order, probably slightly better than Yoda. Thus, he is the greatest swordsman in the galaxy. Yoda's ability in the force, however, is *far* superior to Mace's, which leaves intact Yoda's status as the greatest and most potent Jedi.

GL says Obi Wan kenobi is the best Swordsman in the Jedi Order as of ep3. This is why Obi wan was sent to take down GG. That does not mean he is the most powerful because he uses a mainly defensive form 3 style of saber combat.
While Anakin(form 5) and Mace(form 7) use more aggresive styles of fighting.

For those of you so hung up on who is more powerfull than who and this or that evidence check out what Nick Gallard ( the stunt coordinator and sword master on Ep3) has to say about saber combat and skill levels.

http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/bts/production/beacon126.html

he was so faking mace is a terribal fighter and palipine was doing amazing vs yoda

Mace windu was terribal! no flips or good moves at all...who said he was the best?

No sid even said vader would be more powerfull than himselff

I don't know how anybody is thinking that Sidious wasn't faking, I mean he goes from saying," I'm so weak, help me" in a little weak voice, then in an instant he's yelling,"Unlimited Power" and frying Mace, and after he's done he hops right back up on his feet. Sure doesn't seem like he was that weak to me. It was all part of his plan to get Anakin to kill Mace and start his turn.

exactly

Enough ...

Go back and watch the flipping movie. Sidious tries TWICE and I mean TWICE to thrust his lightsabre into Mace. If Mace wasnt the swordsmen he was then Mace would have died like the other three worthless Jedi on the floor. Sidious was trying to kill Mace Windu. What Sidious didnt realize was that Mace is a bad ass. Mace beat him in that lightsabre fight and Sidious only used Anankin because Sidious knew he was fixing to be destroyed.

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