Muhammad Ali or Bruce Lee?

Started by Soleran163 pages
Soleran Fast As Time

[QUOTE=8548428]Originally posted by ragesRemorse
[B]well that person obviously doesnt know much behind the science of martial arts. Breaking boards is only a display of personall advancment. Infact That is more of an americanized aspect of martial arts than anything. People pay money to learn martial arts and they want more than fancy uniforms for there money, they want to feel as though they can do something no one else can. These people completely miss the point in training in a martial art. anyone can break a board.

Soleran Fast As Time
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
These people completely miss the point in training in a martial art. anyone can break a board. Few can transfer 3500 pounds of pressure in a single kick. That is a fatal strike if delivered properly. Im not saying boxers cannot deliver a ton of pressure in a punch, but i highly doubt they can do it at will and consistantly

I highly doubt that most martial artists can deliver a 3500 lb force kick, esepcially to a target that's not static, and lets not even say they can do it at will.

More importantly can someone stop with all this martials arts rhetoric.

This is Ali a trained combatant vs Lee also a trained combatant, reach, and weight go to Ali by a large margin, Ali is also very fast.

Can someone show me Bruce Lee taking heavy strikes of any kind, can they show me any proof of his abilities, I'm waiting.

Soleran Fast As Time

Please show me your martial artists that deliver 3500lbs or pressure in a kick or even remotely close to that with a live responsive target.

Hint, unless the target is static 3500lbs will push that it won't be delivered effectively.

More importantly show me Bruce Lee delivering that in a fight.

ragesRemorse Senior Member

no one should show you anything, research his life, before bruce lee came to the us. All he did was fight. fight in different gangs infact he was troubled with the jade empire. When bruce came to America he boxxed the crap out people in his college days. bruce Lee's life was figthing. i'm not going to show you bruce lee delivering 3500 pounds of pressure in a kick, because no such footage exists's

However,this is a fact that a martial artist delivered a 3500 kick. you can search discovery channel network to find the documentary on fight science. Bruce would know Ali's fight strategy "punch him down". I am very certain, if Ali tried to kick his big leg in the air in a fight, he would tire sooner than he would if he hadnt kiced his big legs .

Bruce was trained to have reserve energy after kicking AND punching,

StyleTime Senior Member

I forgot to check back for the periodic revival of this beyond absurd thread. Ali beats Lee guys. Lee has no real feats to back up 99% of the acts you give him credit for.

Also, soleran is quite correct concerning the weight disparity. When both fighters are trained, the advantage goes to the larger fighter before maxing out at around 250 lbs. Especially when striking is concerned.

ragesRemorse Senior Member

if you research bruce's life you will then, understand his feats everyone whom was trained by bruce acknowledge's his training methods. it's written in ink. what i said above is completly true, if you dont believe me research it. martial artist' train through transference of enegery. Using the opponents weight and force against them. ali doesnt have a shot, even if he could out manuever bruce's grapples

StyleTime Senior Member

Research? Ahahahah. My friend, I own several books and videos from Lee as well his training routine. I also wrote a paper on Lee back in school. That is actually why I know there is no real backing for his supposed feats. Please do not get the myth surrounding Lee confused with what he actually was. He was an actor. He was a fitness enthusiast. He was a chinese male. He was not a fighter.

Ali, on the other hand, was a fighter.

-hh- Aesculapius

i wasnt gonna bother posting, but i will anyway.

After watching Pride 33, i've realized that ANYTHING can happen in a fight. Muhammad Ali vs Bruce Lee is a fight that won't go the distance. I'm not taking anything away from Bruce. He's an incredible martial artist, but realistically, so many fighters can defeat him today with simple takedowns and ground n' pound methods.

What can Bruce do the Ali? Bruce should do leg kicks until Ali has weakened. It's not an easy task because of Ali's reach advantage. Bruce has nothing left to do. The fight goes to the ground, Ali would probably use his strenght and size advantage as well.

Ali via KO

ragesRemorse Senior Member

Originally posted by StyleTime
Research? Ahahahah. My friend, I own several books and videos from Lee as well his training routine. I also wrote a paper on Lee back in school. That is actually why I know there is no real backing for his supposed feats. Please do not get the myth surrounding Lee confused with what he actually was. He was an actor. He was a fitness enthusiast. He was a chinese male. He was not a fighter.

Ali, on the other hand, was a fighter.

whatever man, i Own several books and videos aswell surrounding bruce lee. I also wrote research projects about bruce Lee in school. So Please dont challenge me in what is the life behind bruce lee. YES, HE did indeed train everyday. What myth are you talking about? Please enlighten me about the myth you are talking about? Bruce Lee was A martial artist Not just a chinese male if you know anything about fighting, it's not the size and strength that determines the out come of a fight.

Blaxican Restricted

It's not always speed either...

Blaxican Restricted

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
no one should show you anything, research his life, before bruce lee came to the us. All he did was fight. fight in different gangs infact he was troubled with the jade empire. When bruce came to America he boxxed the crap out people in his college days. bruce Lee's life was figthing. i'm not going to show you bruce lee delivering 3500 pounds of pressure in a kick, because no such footage exists's

However,this is a fact that a martial artist delivered a 3500 kick. you can search discovery channel network to find the documentary on fight science. Bruce would know Ali's fight strategy "punch him down". I am very certain, if Ali tried to kick his big leg in the air in a fight, he would tire sooner than he would if he hadnt kiced his big legs .

Bruce was trained to have reserve energy after kicking AND punching,

He was also an actor almost hsi entire life... I just got through watching one of the movies he did when he was a kid...

Soleran Fast As Time

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
no one should show you anything, research his life, before bruce lee came to the us. All he did was fight. fight in different gangs infact he was troubled with the jade empire. When bruce came to America he boxxed the crap out people in his college days. bruce Lee's life was figthing. i'm not going to show you bruce lee delivering 3500 pounds of pressure in a kick, because no such footage exists's

However,this is a fact that a martial artist delivered a 3500 kick. you can search discovery channel network to find the documentary on fight science. Bruce would know Ali's fight strategy "punch him down". I am very certain, if Ali tried to kick his big leg in the air in a fight, he would tire sooner than he would if he hadnt kiced his big legs .

Bruce was trained to have reserve energy after kicking AND punching,

Wow, I sincerely doubt you are going to just enlighten me to the multitude of dynamics in a fight, that's not to say I know everything far from it but I have been a few and I have trained in a school.

Fighters of "comparable" skill don't go it with much success when they are giving up damn near 100lbs and what 8-9 inches on height who knows that that equals in reach.

Someone needs to stop blowing all this hype around, be a leader start with yourself🙂

ragesRemorse Senior Member

wow, so here we are back at square one! lets end it be agreeing to disagree... AGreed? I completely understand whats makes a fight a fight. you always bet on the person with more experience, a greater reach, and heaviear body. However, the point i was trying to make was completely unrelated. It's not always the size of the dog that wins the fight. Have you ever heard that before? It's a cliche because it's true buddy. Seeing how you have been in fights i think you should know this. And i never said i was going to enlighten you, i asked you to enlighten me. Comprhension...!!!!!!!

botankus Bass-ackwards

This seemed like as good of a thread as any to post this in...

I know this has probably been brought up 1,000 times, but I've been busy lately and not on as much.

Why hasn't KMC adjusted to daylight savings time? I checked the options and I have the correct time zone and it's still showing an hour behind. Huh? Huh?

Soleran Fast As Time

Originally posted by botankus
This seemed like as good of a thread as any to post this in...

I know this has probably been brought up 1,000 times, but I've been busy lately and not on as much.

Why hasn't KMC adjusted to daylight savings time? I checked the options and I have the correct time zone and it's still showing an hour behind. Huh? Huh?

This question has me stumped.

-hh- Aesculapius
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
wow, so here we are back at square one! lets end it be agreeing to disagree... AGreed? I completely understand whats makes a fight a fight. you always bet on the person with more experience, a greater reach, and heaviear body. However, the point i was trying to make was completely unrelated. It's not always the size of the dog that wins the fight. Have you ever heard that before? It's a cliche because it's true buddy. Seeing how you have been in fights i think you should know this. And i never said i was going to enlighten you, i asked you to enlighten me. Comprhension...!!!!!!!

you're right, heigh advantage, reach advantage, body weight, and exerience are only factors that can lead to winning fights. The bigger dog doesn't always win.

examples:

Igor Vovchanchyn vs Paul Varelans
Fedor Emelianenko vs Zuluzhino
Randy Couture vs Tim Sylvia
Cro Cop vs Aleksander Emelianenko

Soleran Fast As Time
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
wow, so here we are back at square one! lets end it be agreeing to disagree... AGreed? I completely understand whats makes a fight a fight. you always bet on the person with more experience, a greater reach, and heaviear body. However, the point i was trying to make was completely unrelated. It's not always the size of the dog that wins the fight. Have you ever heard that before? It's a cliche because it's true buddy. Seeing how you have been in fights i think you should know this. And i never said i was going to enlighten you, i asked you to enlighten me. Comprhension...!!!!!!!

PS you asked Style Time for enlightenment, not me.

StyleTime Senior Member

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
whatever man, i Own several books and videos aswell surrounding bruce lee. I also wrote research projects about bruce Lee in school. So Please dont challenge me in what is the life behind bruce lee. YES, HE did indeed train everyday. What myth are you talking about? Please enlighten me about the myth you are talking about? Bruce Lee was A martial artist Not just a chinese male if you know anything about fighting, it's not the size and strength that determines the out come of a fight.

I didn't challenge you at all. I merely stated that I did the research. He trained for athleticism every day. The myth would be that he is this great fighter. You did the research, so you can't deny that there is a severe lack of evidence to actually back up any of these supposed feats that Lee has "accomplished". On the other hand, all we need to see what Ali can do is watch him in any of his various fights. Until there is some empirical evidence to prove that Bruce can live up to the hype, most of his abilities are simply hearsay. Thusly, he loses this fight being that he has never once proved capable of taking down Ali.

Yes, we all know that the larger fighter doesn't ALWAYS win, however size and strength are advantages.

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
wow, so here we are back at square one! lets end it be agreeing to disagree... AGreed? I completely understand whats makes a fight a fight. you always bet on the person with more experience, a greater reach, and heaviear body. However, the point i was trying to make was completely unrelated. It's not always the size of the dog that wins the fight. Have you ever heard that before? It's a cliche because it's true buddy. Seeing how you have been in fights i think you should know this. And i never said i was going to enlighten you, i asked you to enlighten me. Comprhension...!!!!!!!

I would agree to disagree.....if this was a matter of opinion but it's far from that. The fact is, Bruce Lee has never demonstrated the ability to defeat Ali. Ali wins. There is no agree to disagree here.
Originally posted by -hh-
examples:

Igor Vovchanchyn vs Paul Varelans
Fedor Emelianenko vs Zuluzhino
Randy Couture vs Tim Sylvia
Cro Cop vs Aleksander Emelianenko


That just goes along with what I said earlier though. The best fighters typically max out in weight around Fedor's size. If you get much heavier, it's actually appears to be a disadvantage.

RocasAtoll Senior Member

Originally posted by -hh-
you're right, heigh advantage, reach advantage, body weight, and exerience are only factors that can lead to winning fights. The bigger dog doesn't always win.

examples:

Igor Vovchanchyn vs Paul Varelans
Fedor Emelianenko vs Zuluzhino
Randy Couture vs Tim Sylvia
Cro Cop vs Aleksander Emelianenko

You're right on all those fights; but we aren't talking about two professional fighters. We are talking about a pro wrestler and an actor. There is a big difference.

Soleran Fast As Time
Originally posted by RocasAtoll
You're right on all those fights; but we aren't talking about two professional fighters. We are talking about a pro wrestler and an actor. There is a big difference.

Oh man, we are talking about a pro boxer vs an actor/athlete.

If it was a pro wrester it would be assumed it would be two actors fighting.