Muhammad Ali or Bruce Lee?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
If it were only one or two people proclaiming these feats, I'd grudgingly agree with you, but dude, no way ALL of them can be inaccurate.

And Lee DOES have a fighting history, it is documented, you can't disallow that.

Aside from the Wong Jack Man bout, which is debatable anyway, yes we can. His "fight record" comes from unknown sources, had no ties to any past or present fight organization, included unnamed fighters, and have no actual documentation whatsoever. There's no way to verify any of them with the exception of the debatable Wong fight.

Now, if someone said Ali beat (insert random unnamed amateur fighter here) on the street, I would not use that as evidence that Ali would beat someone in a fight. It only makes sense to do the same for Lee.

Do you see where I'm coming from here?

I see where you are coming from, I just aint buying it.

Well, help me out here. What exactly makes my product not worthy of purchase?

I really don't think I said anything farfetched here. Unless you're referring to the whale thing and that was just damn funny and you know it.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Well, help me out here. What exactly makes my product not worthy of purchase?

I really don't think I said anything farfetched here. Unless you're referring to the whale thing and that was just damn funny and you know it.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
and please, no more talk of Lee NOT being an accomplished fighter:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Lee

This is 8,437% more impressive, since it all can be verified as true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Ali

"Ali was best known for his fighting style which he described as "Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee". His movement is often described as a dance; some go so far as to call it beautiful.[who?] Throughout his career Ali made a name for himself with great handspeed, as well as fast feet and taunting tactics. While Ali was renowned for his fast, sharp out-fighting style, he also had a great chin, and displayed a great heart and ability to take a punch in his 1974 fight against George Foreman in Zaire, called the Rumble in the Jungle."

Total fights 61
Wins 56
Wins by KO 37
Losses 5
Draws 0
No contests 0

Originally posted by Robtard
This is 8,437% more impressive, since it all can be verified as true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Ali

"Ali was best known for his fighting style which he described as "Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee". His movement is often described as a dance; some go so far as to call it beautiful.[who?] Throughout his career Ali made a name for himself with great handspeed, as well as fast feet and taunting tactics. While Ali was renowned for his fast, sharp out-fighting style, he also had a great chin, and displayed a great heart and ability to take a punch in his 1974 fight against George Foreman in Zaire, called the Rumble in the Jungle."

Total fights 61
Wins 56
Wins by KO 37
Losses 5
Draws 0
No contests 0

He can take a punch, fine, but can he take a foot to the temple?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
More stats, just like the ones I quoted for Lee. So he had more fights, so what? So he had great handspeed, Lee proved he can box as well as do martial arts, see the link I provided for proof.

He can take a punch, fine, but can he take a foot to the temple?

Originally posted by Bardock42
The "stats" you quoted for you are anecdotes. The shit Robtard quoted is verifiable and real.

OK, lemmee try this.....Ali was trained to fight with his fists, correct?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Even his fight history? There are RECORDS of that, man.

OK, lemmee try this.....Ali was trained to fight with his fists, correct?

Yes.

And Bruce Lee was trained to fight with his feet, knees, elbows, head, AND, due to being trained in boxing, he can also fight with his fists.

Correct?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And Bruce Lee was trained to fight with his feet, knees, elbows, head, AND, due to being trained in boxing, he can also fight with his fists.

Correct?

Well, as far as I know, Wing Chun focuses on fighting with your fists, so he probably can also fight with his fists because of his initial training.

But yes.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
More stats, just like the ones I quoted for Lee. So he had more fights, so what? So he had great handspeed, Lee proved he can box as well as do martial arts, see the link I provided for proof.

He can take a punch, fine, but can he take a foot to the temple?

He had a lot more fights, and your response is "so what", seriously? More fights = more experience, and that is good to have in a fight, some might say a huge advantage.

Of Lee's 13 fights, 4 were amateur, 2 were exhibitions and 3 were against "unknown" people. Let me guess, "so what?"

Edit: Don't you find it odd, that for the guy who's supposed to be the "best" martial artist in the world and a guy who "can defeat anyone", he has so few fights and so little record/details of those fights?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, as far as I know, Wing Chun focuses on fighting with your fists, so he probably can also fight with his fists because of his initial training.

But yes.

Oh, thats right, all of the testimonials towards Lee are BULLSHIT. I forgot.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So, with all of these weapons at his disposal, and hand speed that rivalled Ali's (you know it's true, go ahead and say it), you still see Ali winning this fight?

Oh, thats right, all of the testimonials towards Lee are BULLSHIT. I forgot.

Never said either of that.

Originally posted by Robtard
He had a lot more fights, and your response is "so what", seriously? More fights = more experience, and that is good to have in a fight, some might say a huge advantage.

Of Lee's 13 fights, 4 were amateur, 2 were exhibitions and 3 were against "unknown" people. Let me guess, "so what?"

Edit: Don't you find it odd, that for the guy who's supposed to be the "best" martial artist in the world and a guy who "can defeat anyone", he has so few fights and so little record/details of those fights?

So, considering the fight would NOT be in the ring, who has more experience?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Never said either of that.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Ali would not have time to react as Lee went after his legs over and over again. If Ali DID see the kick coming, how would he defend? Would he jump out of the way? Would he block?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Depends on the situation. How exactly would Lee block the likeliest harderst punch he ever received? You are only talking in hypotheticals...and only in those benefiting Lee.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Fighting in the ring and fighting in the street are two completely different scenarios, man. For all we know, Ali might freeze up. It happens to some trained fighters. They are trained to fight in the rign, WITH protective equipment, WITH rules, under close supervision. Bruce Lee was trained to do both, fight in the ring AND in the street.

So, considering the fight would NOT be in the ring, who has more experience?

You're willing to take all the hearsay myths surrounding Lee as fact, while you make claims that have little proof about Ali, that is rediculous. Seriously, realize that the Lee you see in the movies is just movies, sure the guy was extrememly fit and did some awesome things, but that's the movies.

Ali has more, a lot more experience, I showed it above.

You avoided my question.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Hey, this whole thread is hypothetical. And how can you be so sure that Ali's punch would be the most powerful Lee has ever taken?

Though, to be fair, my assumption is likelier than yours are.