Muhammad Ali or Bruce Lee?

Originally posted by Robtard
No, Ali did it better than all.

Not one single boxer has showed Ali's skill at simultaneously dodging, dancing, taunting and hitting, all of which was done at great speeds. [b]<--- Another fact [/B]

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Sugar Ray Leonard.

SRL was one of the greatest, not "the".

Do you not understand what "greatest of all time" means?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So you believe all the shit people said about Bruce Lee, all the praise and testimonials, are rubbish, right?

Ask yourself this, why would they lie? What do they have to gain by fabricating such outlandish tales?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Talk about a random scenario.....

Originally posted by Robtard
SRL was one of the greatest, not "the".

Do you not understand what "greatest of all time" means?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Ali being the greatest of all time is up for debate, it could be argued.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Ali being the greatest of all time is up for debate, it could be argued.

Well, he's regarded as the greatest by the majority of experts, but what do they know, right?

Anyhow, do you believe in all myths that surround dead people?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, but it is hardly ever argued that he was one of the best. Now, Bruce Lee, it could very much be argued that he wasn't one of the best martial artists, possibly not even one of the best in Wing Chun.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Hardly ever argued? are you kidding me?

"Yes, but it is hardly ever argued that he was one of the best."

That can be taken two ways. 1: It could mean that it is hardly ever argued that he is one of the best BECAUSE he is the best, or 2: It could mean that his name hardly ever comes up when discussing boxing greats.

Which do you mean?

Originally posted by Robtard
Well, he's regarded as the greatest by the majority of experts, but what do they know, right?

Anyhow, do you believe in all myths that surround dead people?

I see, Lee being dead is your line of attack now.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
"Yes, but it is hardly ever argued that he was one of the best."

That can be taken two ways. 1: It could mean that it is hardly ever argued that he is one of the best BECAUSE he is the best, or 2: It could mean that his name hardly ever comes up when discussing boxing greats.

Which do you mean?

Or just read context.

Originally posted by Bardock42
T-take a guess.

Or just read context.

If it's the first one, then yes, alot of people think Ali is the greatest ever, but there are also alot who think Joe Louis or Rocky Marciano are the best ever. There are even some dimwits that think Tyson is the best ever.

If it's the second, you are full of poop.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Riiiiight. Take a guess so you can automatically choose the opposite and bash me for it. You think this is the first time I have seen this?

Are you crazy? One of the things is entirely opposite to what I wanted to say and also idiotic in context.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
If it's the first one, then yes, alot of people think Ali is the greatest ever, but there are also alot who think Joe Louis or Rocky Marciano are the best ever. There are even some dimwits that think Tyson is the best ever.

What I said it that almost no one argues (against) (the against was implied by taking your post) Ali being one of the greatest.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
If it's the second, you are full of poop.

Exactly.

You thought I meant the second at first, didn't you?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Are you crazy? One of the things is entirely opposite to what I wanted to say and also idiotic in context.

What I said it that almost no one argues (against) (the against was implied by taking your post) Ali being one of the greatest.

Exactly.

You thought I meant the second at first, didn't you?

Almost no one is a bold statement.

And no, I didn't think it was the second one, if I did, you think I would have simply told you you are full of it?

Originally posted by Robtard
Well, he's regarded as the greatest by the majority of experts, but what do they know, right?

I believe Sugar Ray Robinson has that honour. Including from Ali himself.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Almost no one is a bold statement.

And no, I didn't think it was the second one, if I did, you think I would have simply told you you are full of it?

Anyways, I don't know many people that say things like "Ali? That guy is average at best".

paul wight could twist both their heads off at once with each hand.

win

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
ever consider that Ali had a set of rules to go by in the ring? No low blows? no hits below the belt? this is a fight to the DEATH, mind you, something Ali has never done before, something that martial artists are TRAINED to do, at least ones worth their salt.

Yes. But then I condisered these points as a result:

Anyone who believes that because Ali would adhere to in-ring rules in the ring, that he isn't capable of breaking them outside of the ropes is argument wise betting a loser.

And how many of those Martial Artists who train to kill actually have, or will, or could...? And anyways boxing can kill you easily, once all safetys are off.. Fact.

Their are world class marksman for instance who have problems firing on live targets.

I also have ability to kill if I would need to with the things I have learned in boxing, so if I did, you can bet your ass that Ali (who has probably forgotten more that we'll know both clean and dirty fighting wise) did.

Oh so the once who merely train in martial arts for self defence aren't worth thier salt?

Originally posted by Ushgarak
I believe Sugar Ray Robinson has that honour. Including from Ali himself.

Sure.
Pound for pound. Sure. But Ali moved like that as a heavyweight.

And its Ali as a heavyweight to Bruce Lee's lightweight/featherweight being the difference here.

Actually, I think that Lee VS Sugar Ray Robinson would be a good match (even though Lee'd most likely lose due to the superiority in movement and combinations and fluidity in the ring- Who knows outside it..? Maybe Lee.).

But I think its certain that in this instance Ali's extra weight and banging but with the ability to be elusive and fast with it is whats need in an out the ring, on the streets against a opponent of Lee's (largely speculated) fighting calibre. Can't be having a long drawn out fight against someone like Lee in anycase.

Originally posted by dadudemon
"What...?" is an illogical question to my three statements.

Why: Because can kick you internet ass with my e-fists of fury. I will punches you with such power and quickness, your acne will jump off your face in fright.

More seriously, I am done with the off topic BS.

A "good" punch is not equal for everyone. I have been straight up clocked in the jaw by someone who got a crow hop before swinging...nothing.😐 I had a nice bruise on the side of my face the next day...but not a knock-out. I am sure you have seen someone, personally, get knocked out by much less. I saw a guy on the internet get knocked out by a sturdy slap in the face.

http://www.break.com/index/dude-knocked-out-by-slap.html

I would suspect Ali's jaw, in his prime, the be much sturdier than mine by a mile. However, I would also not list him as not knockout-able. Lee should be more than enough to knock him out. Come-on, he DID do real fights and won by knockout in the first or second round. I heel to the brow should do the trick, do you agree?

Sure. Tucking your chin it and clenching your teeth enables you to be able take chin shots infinitely better than with a open/relaxed jaw, as the sludy slap to the face guy was. Thats definitely when a knock out occurs when it is displaced. Sometime the temple is caught, which can do it to, Ali would be right on top of all this, not being a rank amateur or a complete beginner.

Fact: Ali was never knocked out. Not in all his 70 plus recorded bouts.