Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Hey, this whole thread is hypothetical. And how can you be so sure that Ali's punch would be the most powerful Lee has ever taken?
He's right, you gimp ALi at every ridiculous chance yet are willing to believe every little whim about Lee as fact.
Because he's never fought anyone as big, powerful and experienced as a 3-time world heavy weight champion and the greatest boxer off all time.
Originally posted by RobtardI missed that question: I am not saying Lee could have defeated anyone, but I believe he would beat Ali. Bruce fought very little professionally, so that's the reason there are very little "records" of his achievements. Street fights don't go in the record books.
You're willing to take all the hearsay myths surrounding Lee as fact, while you make claims that have little proof about Ali, that is rediculous. Seriously, realize that the Lee you see in the movies is just movies, sure the guy was extrememly fit and did some awesome things, but that's the movies.Ali has more, a lot more experience, I showed it above.
You avoided my question.
And that's what this would be, a street fight, something Bruce Lee was far better suited for than Ali.
Originally posted by RobtardHow am I gimping Ali? I am merely saying that Ali isn't a street fighter, thats all, and that Lee has more weapons to work with.
He's right, you gimp ALi at every ridiculous chance yet are willing to believe every little whim about Lee as fact.Because he's never fought anyone as big, powerful and experienced as a 3-time world heavy weight champion and the greatest boxer off all time.
Hows Ali gonna react when Lee kicks him in the nuts? The constant attacks on Ali's knees? Take away Ali's legs, and he can't "float like a butterfly."
Originally posted by Rogue JediLee doesn't have "more weapons to work with". He is trained in more ways of fighting, but Ali at least has the same weapons, and two that are far trained beyond anything Lee has. You are dismissive and biased.
How am I gimping Ali? I am merely saying that Ali isn't a street fighter, thats all, and that Lee has more weapons to work with.Hows Ali gonna react when Lee kicks him in the nuts? The constant attacks on Ali's knees? Take away Ali's legs, and he can't "float like a butterfly."
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I missed that question: I am not saying Lee could have defeated anyone, but I believe he would beat Ali. Bruce fought very little professionally, so that's the reason there are very little "records" of his achievements. Street fights don't go in the record books.And that's what this would be, a street fight, something Bruce Lee was far better suited for than Ali.
And those street fights are all hearsay. Also, let's say they're real, great, Lee fought street-toughs, I doubt they were as skilled as Ali.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
How am I gimping Ali? I am merely saying that Ali isn't a street fighter, thats all, and that Lee has more weapons to work with.Hows Ali gonna react when Lee kicks him in the nuts? The constant attacks on Ali's knees? Take away Ali's legs, and he can't "float like a butterfly."
How? "Ali wouldn't be able to punch as good without gloves", "Ali could freeze" etc. etc. etc.
How's Lee going to react when Ali pats him on the ass and then punches him in the face 5-6 times in a flurry? Things which Ali has done and are verifiable.
Originally posted by Rogue JediSince we are at absolutely random scenarios based on nothing but our ability to pull stuff out of our ass, I propose this is what would happen.
How am I gimping Ali? I am merely saying that Ali isn't a street fighter, thats all, and that Lee has more weapons to work with.Hows Ali gonna react when Lee kicks him in the nuts? The constant attacks on Ali's knees? Take away Ali's legs, and he can't "float like a butterfly."
Originally posted by Bardock42So Ali can do a roundhouse kick? A flip kick? A leg sweep? any kind of kick period?
Lee doesn't have "more weapons to work with". He is trained in more ways of fighting, but Ali at least has the same weapons, and two that are far trained beyond anything Lee has. You are dismissive and biased.
Lee can do all of the above, AS WELL as box, so yes, he has more weapons to work with.
If I am dismissive and biased, you are blind and in denial.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So Ali can do a roundhouse kick? A flip kick? A leg sweep? any kind of kick period?Lee can do all of the above, AS WELL as box, so yes, he has more weapons to work with.
If I am dismissive and biased, you are blind and in denial.
I am not the one going around proclaiming that someone that hasn't proven to be that powerful will win without a doubt against someone that has proven to be really powerful.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So Ali can do a roundhouse kick? A flip kick? A leg sweep? any kind of kick period?Lee can do all of the above, AS WELL as box, so yes, he has more weapons to work with.
If I am dismissive and biased, you are blind and in denial.
You live in lala-kung fu-movie land. I told you before, there's a reason why the current MMA fighters don't use those fancy moves, it's because they're mostly for show and in a real fight, you'd get countered and dropped. They do look awesome on film though.
Originally posted by RobtardI never said that Lee fought someone as skilled as Ali, now did I? I merely stated that Ali NEVER fought in the street, something a martial artist, especially one as proficient as Lee, excels at.
And those street fights are all hearsay. Also, let's say they're real, great, Lee fought street-toughs, I doubt they were as skilled as Ali.
Originally posted by Bardock42So you believe all the shit people said about Bruce Lee, all the praise and testimonials, are rubbish, right?
I am not the one going around proclaiming that someone that hasn't proven to be that powerful will win without a doubt against someone that has proven to be really powerful.
Ask yourself this, why would they lie? What do they have to gain by fabricating such outlandish tales?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I never said that Lee fought someone as skilled as Ali, now did I? I merely stated that Ali NEVER fought in the street, something a martial artist, especially one as proficient as Lee, excels at.
Correction, "is supposedly as proficient".
My point being though, who cares if he fought 50 street fights if they were against amature goons.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So you believe all the shit people said about Bruce Lee, all the praise and testimonials, are rubbish, right?Ask yourself this, why would they lie? What do they have to gain by fabricating such outlandish tales?
Legends grow around people as charismatic as Lee. Do you also really believe the John Henry tales?
Originally posted by RobtardPoint is that prolly not all of them were goons, also that Lee is a more proficient street fighter.
Correction, "is supposedly as proficient".My point being though, who cares if he fought 50 street fights if they were against amature goons.
Ali has NEVER had to defend against someone with all the moves that Lee has, whereas Lee has surely defended against someone who uses Ali's tactics.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Point is that prolly not all of them were goons, also that Lee is a more proficient street fighter.Ali has NEVER had to defend against someone with all the moves that Lee has, whereas Lee has surely defended against someone who uses Ali's tactics.
And the opposite could also be true. See what I mean about "Lee myths", where we have solid facts about Ali?
LoL... NO ONE has ever done in the ring what Ali has. If some one could dance, play around and still hit and KO mother****ers, they'd be the greatest. <--- Another fact.
Edit: I get the impression that you know very little about Ali and all you really know about Lee is what you've seen in Enter The Dragon.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Tyson can hit fvckers and knock them out, Holyfield can dance around and knock fvckers out, most boxers can do that, thats what they are trained to do. Ali just did it better than most.Rocky Marciano.
No, Ali did it better than all.
Not one single boxer has showed Ali's skill at simultaneously dodging, dancing, taunting and hitting, all of which was done at great speeds. <--- Another fact