Originally posted by Robtard
Well, if you've brought up valid facts about fighting and Ali, then it can be expected that the "Lee pwns all, because I saw him do it in Enter the Dragon" crowd will ignore you while bringing up shit about thumb-pushups and catching rice with chopsticks. So either get used to it, or cry about it some more.
Eh, I think I'll cry about it some more. Maybe I'll get my way....
On a serious note though, doing thumb push-ups, kicking some actors a** in a scene, or developing your own martial art doesn't make you a great fighter. I've practice various martial arts. If I was some famous action star kicking ass and taking names. Developed my own martial art called " Muay TaeJudo Karate" (I copy right that).... And practiced some philosophy. Then died would I be considered the greatest martial artist ever? Assuming I had a physique as bruce did, and assuming I had people exaggerate my abilities.
That's pretty much all the Lee fanboys are doing. Buying into the myths and stories that lee can punch 3 times in less than one second, or how Lee can kick chuck norris's ass..(no one kicks chuck norris's ass) or how he'd "leg sweep ali" or do a low blow such as taking out the knees....if lee was as great as some people here say he was then 1st off wouldn't have to go for the knees. Just watch UFC. Analyze and see what techniques, styles and stances people use. maybe 1 in 1,000 fights you MIGHT see a leg sweep. whatever..... 😎 😎
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
LOL You saw the Foreman fight yes..? Ali could take what Lee had longer than Lee could take what Ali could give out.
I agree...if you're talking about actual connections taking place. Since I don't believe Ali would do very well against Lee, I don't see very many connections takin place on an "Ali to Lee" basis.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
And how would Lee get near this so easily as to knock him out....?
YouTube video
I corrected how you posted that youtube vid NOT to belittle you but to just make it easier on others to see your point.
Anyway, I don't entirely disagree with you; Ali had some moves. However, he'd be hard pressed against a master Jeet Kun Do fighter.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
If Lee is the favorite for fist powered Knockout in this, then my arsehole is the next face of fashion vogue.
I don't think a knockout with Lee's fists would happen in this hypothetical fight...maybe it could since it is bare knuckle...but I doubt it.
Originally posted by Bardock42
You are an idiot.It was about the hypothetical point that could either be changed or not changed by insulting a person. Oddly enough the topic of our conversation for 5+ posts. Please tell me you are just playing the moron for shits and giggles, you can't be real.
HOLY SHIT! NO WAY! It was a topic only in your mind for 5+ posts. I have spent the last 4 posts trying to figure it out.
Let me recap for ya:
You said:
Originally posted by Bardock42
Never said otherwise. It still doesn't change your point.
Which was a response to this post:
Originally posted by dadudemon
Yes. When you realize that there is more than making point, you will convince others of your POV better.
Now, in light of how ambiguous you like to be, I asked what you were referring to, just like we agreed.(Remember, instead of addressing irrelevant points, I ask for clarification to save us both time?) You didn't answer my question and instead made it more ambiguous.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Never said anything to that extend.
You didn't have to.
Originally posted by Robtard
Anyhow Dadudemon, you ignored my challenge which was on topic, yet decided to do an Ad hominem attack on me for my assessment of Tyson/Ali.So care to get back on topic an engage the question which was on topic?
Here is is, since you can't be bothered to go back.
Nope. No evidence to contradict you.
I "fee" that a seasoned boxer would lose to a seasoned Jeet Kun Do fighter in the real world on the skreets.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Nope. No evidence to contradict you.I "fee" that a seasoned boxer would lose to a seasoned Jeet Kun Do fighter in the real world on the skreets.
Well, as long as you "feel" it, who needs facts, right.
Also, Ali is more than just "seasoned", he's seasoned, cooked and ready to serve out hefty helpings of 'knock mother****ers out.'
Originally posted by dadudemon
Nope. No evidence to contradict you.I "fee" that a seasoned boxer would lose to a seasoned Jeet Kun Do fighter in the real world on the skreets.
Might be, two same sized guys, might be.
But against a much bigger, and equally agile/fast/elusive, unique boxer with a chin like granite and massive reach that delivers superior banging power, who will often counterpunch Lee before Lee can land...?
C'mon.
Originally posted by Kykiokushin
Apparently so, I guess people like Royce Gracie, matt hughes, randy courtre, tito ortiz, and chuck liddel, have no "REAL" martial arts experience. all of which would be nothing to Bruce Lee. I guess in the world of idiots, morons, and fanboys......this is reality.....
In a word, "yes".
Originally posted by Robtard
Well, as long as you "feel" it, who needs facts, right.Also, Ali is more than just "seasoned", he's seasoned, cooked and ready to serve out hefty helpings of 'knock mother****ers out.'
Right...because Ali's BOXING record clearly shows that he would inexorably win a FIGHT with Bruce Lee.
Great job with that argument, son.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Might be, two same sized guys, might be.But against a much bigger, and equally agile/fast/elusive, unique boxer with a chin like granite and massive reach that delivers superior banging power, who will often counterpunch Lee before Lee can land...?
C'mon.
I admit, the outcome is dubious from some perspectives...not mine.
I hold mastery of Jeet Kun Do skills over mastery of Boxing skills when it comes to a street fight.
Originally posted by Kykiokushin
HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!! 😆 😂 😆
Robtard is good at that...
Originally posted by Kykiokushin
Apparently so, I guess people like Royce Gracie, matt hughes, randy courtre, tito ortiz, and chuck liddel, have no "REAL" martial arts experience. all of which would be nothing to Bruce Lee. I guess in the world of idiots, morons, and fanboys......this is reality.....
LOL Called as seeeeeeeeeeeeeeen.
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^ This is my source...........
Pretty much what we've been saying. Maybe this might give you some..."CLARIFICATION"...Enjoy....
Who would win in a fight between Muhammad Ali and Bruce Lee?
While preparing for his title defence against Joe Bugner in Malaysia in 1975, Muhammad Ali announced, "I will prove to the world that I am not only the greatest boxer of all time, I am the greatest martial artist." Then, before treating the kickboxer Davis Miller to a round of sparring, he declared, "You must be a fool to get in the ring with me. When I'm through, you gowna think you been whupped by Bruce Lee." Miller reported how "I bent to the right, tossed a jab toward his belt line, straightened, snapped a long, tentative front-kick to his head. I figured it was the first kick he'd ever had thrown at him, but he pulled away as easily as if he'd been dodging feet his entire life." In that brief encounter, Ali allowed Miller to get a few hits in before knocking him senseless with two punches.
Bruce Lee would no doubt fare better than the young Miller did against the Greatest, but the end result would probably be no different. Ali was 6ft 3in tall and weighed 236lb in his prime. Lee was 5ft 7in and just 135lb when he died. If Lee were a boxer he would be a lightweight nine divisions below Ali's heavyweight class. In regular boxing there is a limited degree of movement between the weight divisions.
The first advantage people think of is the martial artist's ability to use kicks as well as punches. In any contest of champions, Muhammad Ali would be allowed to kick too just as Bruce Lee would be allowed to punch but one presumes he would rely on his fists. The second advantage is Lee's dazzling speed though frames were cut from his fight scenes to make him appear even faster. Even so, his kicks could never be as fast as Ali's punches. This is no slight against the martial artist, but simply a reflection of human physiology and the laws of physics.
Even the fastest kicks are slow compared to punches, because they require more build-up and begin from a greater distance from their target. Punches can also be followed up with more of the same, whereas combination kicks are slower, more difficult to execute and usually lose power.
Furthermore, Ali would be used to dodging punches that were much faster than Lee's kicks. So to bring his kicks to bear, Lee would need to keep Ali at a distance. Assuming that the two are fighting in a ring of limited size, Lee would probably not be able to keep out of the boxer's way for long enough. Ali himself was extremely fast for a heavyweight, but even he couldn't avoid dozens of punches from the lumbering George Foreman (realising this, he even made it part of his game plan not to try to during their "Rumble in the Jungle"😉. Similarly, no matter how fast Lee might be, he could not realistically be expected to dodge every blow from Ali.
Now there's an arena in which the different fighting styles can be directly compared: the Ultimate Fighting Championship. Almost anything goes in mixed martial arts, or "cage fighting", except for eye-gouging and blows to the groin. Yet, contrary to the public's expectation when the sport began, kung fu masters have fared notably badly: even worse than pure boxers. The early years were dominated by grapplers, and even today fighters stand little chance unless they have excellent wrestling skills, as so many matches are settled on the ground, either with a submission hold or with one protagonist pinned down and pummelled unconscious.
The most successful mixed martial artist of recent times is Japan's Kazushi Sakuraba. Sakuraba came from professional (that is to say, staged) wrestling, but after his promoters went bust he talked his way into the Ultimate Fighting Championship's heavyweights-only Ultimate Japan tournament in 1997. He pretended that he weighed 203lb in order to qualify and, although he was really only 183lb, he defeated a 243lb ju-jitsu champion to score the first of several victories against bigger, stronger men. One of his smaller victims was the renowned Royce Gracie, who at 180lb himself once beat a 275lb heavyweight wrestler. Sakuraba's career and those of other champions in Ultimate Fighting appear to demonstrate that grappling skills are far more effective than other martial arts or boxing disciplines in overcoming a size disadvantage. The UFC has destroyed the mystique of martial arts by showing which techniques actually work. Kung fu is not one of them.
Bruce Lee had great respect for the skills of wrestlers, but he had different priorities and recognised that their techniques were not as photogenic as the looping kicks and acrobatics that movie-goers wanted to see. He realised that his moves were only for the camera, and that the flurries of hand trapping that he learned from wing chun kung fu would be of little use in a real fight. Unlike Ali, Lee never boasted that he could take on the world. He never fought in competitive tournaments either. To then say that Lee was the best martial arts fighter in the world let alone the best fighter per se would be like saying that the Harlem Globetrotters, basketball's answer to the WWE (World Wrestling Entertainment), are the world's best basketball team.
The more valid question is not whether Bruce Lee could beat Muhammad Ali, but how he would fare against Rocky Balboa...
Originally posted by Robtard
Considering that Lee has no record, yes, it gives the odds heavily in Ali's favor.
Fail. "No record" is a stupid argument. Let's not go over that again.
Originally posted by Robtard
But your "I feel" argument is solid?
Not at all. My argument is not solid...I can never make a solid argument unless Ali fought someone Lee fought.
just like how your "feel" that Ali would win in a fight, remember?
Originally posted by dadudemon
Right...because Ali's BOXING record clearly shows that he would inexorably win a FIGHT with Bruce Lee.Great job with that argument, son.
I admit, the outcome is dubious from some perspectives...not mine.
I hold mastery of Jeet Kun Do skills over mastery of Boxing skills when it comes to a street fight.
Robtard is good at that...
1) He would actually win in "all likehood" and "in almost every probability" because of his fight record not being speculation and fantasy.
2) I'll stick to the perspective of fight history, a knowledge of what is involved in Boxing and the fact that I've applied boxing to street fighting and won. Convincingly.
3) Have you then applied your Jeet Kun Do (especially against a boxer) in a street fight and won at anypoint recently, or at all..?
I guess you must have, to have such confidence that your perspective is definitely the right one.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Fail. "No record" is a stupid argument. Let's not go over that again.Not at all. My argument is not solid...I can never make a solid argument unless Ali fought someone Lee fought.
just like how your "feel" that Ali would win in a fight, remember?
What do you think about the source i gave you. I assume you still believe Lee is better..... 🙂