Originally posted by dadudemon
Fail. "No record" is a stupid argument. Let's not go over that again.
If it were the other way round, Ali wouldn't be faced with such skepticism, on account of the fact that he is twice the size of Bruce.
Originally posted by Kykiokushin
What do you think about the source i gave you. I assume you still believe Lee is better..... 🙂
Yups. 🙂
I read the entire thing and I agree with many points. I want to see a master boxer fight a master Jeet Kun do-er. When I see that, I will say I'm wrong and admit Ali would win...IF the boxer dominates.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Fail. "No record" is a stupid argument. Let's not go over that again.Not at all. My argument is not solid...I can never make a solid argument unless Ali fought someone Lee fought.
just like how your "feel" that Ali would win in a fight, remember?
Our course it's a stupid argument, as it shows how faulty the Lee-wins crowd line of thinking is. Last time I checked, a fighting record was good grounds to base a fighter on. But hey, Lee could do thumb-pushups, that's certainly a better indicator of fighting prowess.
Yes, I do feel that Ali would win, but I have solid facts to sustain my belief, while you don't.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Yups. 🙂I read the entire thing and I agree with many points. I want to see a master boxer fight a master Jeet Kun do-er. When I see that, I will say I'm wrong and admit Ali would win...IF the boxer dominates.
And to keep the size dynamic the same, Yip Man Vs. Lennox Lewis..? 😛
Originally posted by Robtard
Our course it's a stupid argument, as it shows how faulty the Lee-wins crowd line of thinking is. Last time I checked, a fighting record was good grounds to base a fighter on. But hey, Lee could do thumb-pushups, that's certainly a better indicator of fighting prowess.
Ugh...yes, lee had fought in "official" matches. Did you know that that was what I was getting at?
Originally posted by Robtard
Yes, I do feel that Ali would win, but I have solid facts to sustain my belief, while you don't.
I have facts that help Lee's case. I don't believe they would allow him to win.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Ugh...yes, lee had fought in "official" matches. Did you know that that was what I was getting at?I have facts that help Lee's case. I don't believe they would allow him to win.
Yes, 13 on Wiki, 2 of which we exhibition, 3 were amateurs and 4 were against unknowns, if I recall when I previously addressed this point that RJ brought up.
Then post these facts if they help, but I'm confused how they help Lee here, yet they wouldn't allow him to win, since this is a fight topic.
Wow.
When Ali used to say "Line up your bums and I'll knock 'em all out"
he was implying that the men he beat were 'bums' in a playful, tongue in cheek way.
By the sounds it, Bruce would have had to meant it literally in this instance.
Anyone can fight the useless and call themselves king.
Just ask Audley Harrison.
And usually this is exposed in a fighter over time, but due to Lee's death, that day of enlightenment would never come for some of his fanboys.
Originally posted by Schecter
why do you guys keep arguing with daretardeddoucheclown?
That hurts...very much. cry
I thought we had a connection. cry
Originally posted by StyleTime
Why are they arguing...at all? I thought we established Lee had nothing saying he could beat Ali like.....trillions of pages ago...Trillions I say. Seriously, I think Whirly was still here...
Trillions.
Well...I agree that there's really no way to prove that Lee could beat Ali because Lee doesn't have more official fights under his belt. The best argument, imo, provided AGAINST Lee is the one about the fighting styles in UFC.
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthWell, I guess you got me there. 😛
Have you..?I have and I must thank you for your indirect compliment that I in your eyes have therefore more expertness over the most knowledgeble and experienced in boxing training and history merely because I have stepped over the ropes. : 🙄
Seriously. If they are recognised experts it'll be they probably have been in the ring.
Ali is considered one such expert. He was an also an expert who reckons he would have killed Lee in the ring.
(And given that Ali would be more dangerous outside the ring unrestricted by what he can and can't do... It along with his proven durability, speed and power and proven fight-winning metality looks good for Ali..... Do you know how many people have died in Street fights from smashing their heads falling to the pavement after being knocked out...?Regardless of size of actual numbers: More than those that died of flashy flying roundhouse kicks to the head.
-And a jab and a couple of decent rapid hooks and/or uppercuts from a fighter/boxer like Ali and its would be all over for the much smaller Lee.)
I'd only really 100% trust guys like Sugar Ray and Foreman, guys who have had long successful careers.
Also, I have read alot here about Lee's size. You guys REALLY think size is an important factor?
Originally posted by Blax_HydraliskTell that to the 5'8 Mexican who handed me my ass when I was like 20. 😂
Uh- yeah. It is a really big factor. People like to say things like "size doesn't matter" or "If you're skilled you can negate it", but size always matters. A bigger person always has an advantage over a smaller advantage in a fight. It matters a great deal.
I disagree, unless the smaller person is a sissy.