Muhammad Ali or Bruce Lee? · General Discussion Forum

StyleTime Senior Member

Originally posted by The Nuul
Bruce would stomp Ali in a real fight.

Nuul, you should know better. I expect that from jinXed by JaNx but you... I'm disappointed.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
Anyone who answers otherwise is totally correct.

You know, I wonder would the results of the poll differ were it remade. I've seen lots of people in this thread change their way of thinking over time.

jaden101 Restricted

Originally posted by Robtard
There are always exceptions to the rule; that's not a completely fair comparison.
Valuev and Haye are both in the heavy weight class. Valuev's skill is shit compared to Haye's, he's more of a brute.

Haye was a cruiserweight before the fight and is about 2 stone under a standard heavyweight. He was giving up a foot in height, 7 inches in reach and some 7 stone in weight agains't Valuev.

In comparison Lee would be giving a 7 inch height difference and between a 2 and a half stone and 6 and a half stone weight difference. (Couldn't find info on reach)

Robtard Senor Member

Originally posted by jaden101
Haye was a cruiserweight before the fight and is about 2 stone under a standard heavyweight. He was giving up a foot in height, 7 inches in reach and some 7 stone in weight agains't Valuev.
In comparison Lee would be giving a 7 inch height difference and between a 2 and a half stone and 6 and a half stone weight difference. (Couldn't find info on reach)

Thought Haye relinquished all his cruiser titles, gained weight and fought as a heavy weight?

Regardless of the above, Valuev was towering over Haye still and clearly was the heavier man, you're right in that respect. But Haye is a tested fighter; world-class at that, sweating out skills. Lee's an actor who kicks body-bags.

If it were a street fight, gloveless and without rules, I'd bet on Valuev over Hayes, despite what happens when they met in the ring, simply best that Russian's a massive hairy ogre and likely to choke anyone to death. He's downright ****ing ugly too.

jaden101 Restricted

Originally posted by Robtard
Thought Haye relinquished all his cruiser titles, gained weight and fought as a heavy weight?
Regardless of the above, Valuev was towering over Haye still and clearly was the heavier man, you're right in that respect. But Haye is a tested fighter; world-class at that, sweating out skills. Lee's an actor who kicks body-bags.

He did relinquish his titles but he didn't gain much weight. He weighed in at 15st 8lbs for the fight (The heaviest of his career). Compare that to Lennox Lewis Who averaged around 18st for his fights...Or Mike Tyson who, despite being much smaller fighter, was regularly over 16 stone.

Compare it to Valuev who hits the 23 stone mark. Serious difference.

I know the comparison is unfair because Valuev is a talentless freak show but as for Haye...It's a stretch to say world class...He's only so because of the weakness of the division.

StyleTime Senior Member

Originally posted by inimalist
seems like a decent thread to ask this in:
I've always liked savat, and I know in one of the first UFC tournaments a savat fighter got to the finals (he was also fighting with a broken hand), but I have seen little of it in MMA otherwise.
Does it just not convert into MMA? is it not ground oriented enough? lol, I may have asked something like this before, but no memory here.

I think there's simply too small a talent pool to draw from right now. With other styles, you have fighters coming out in droves to compete in MMA. Naturally, someone in the crowd will be exceptional. With so few savate practitioners in MMA, the small chance of finding someone exceptional is reduced even more. Due to the recent increase in MMA's mainstream appeal, we'll probably some good savate guys in time. We've even got a karateka holding a championship belt now. There's two if you count George St. Pierre.

As a style, savate seems fairly effective. I've seen savate guys destroy muay thai guys before, but not many of them actually cross over to MMA. If a good savate practitioner crosstrained in grappling, I could see him at the very least doing as well as the dime-a-dozen muay thai fighters out there.

Robtard Senor Member

Savate's French, any questions.

StyleTime Senior Member

That is savate's biggest drawback. The second you utter the name, the Frenchness of the word makes you forfeit.

Sadako of Girth Extreme Mode

Originally posted by jaden101
Tell that to David Haye.

I knew someone would bring that up lol

Yeah he'd agree, knowing that the heavyweight/super heavyweight catagory is different..

jaden101 Restricted

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
I knew someone would bring that up lol
Yeah he'd agree, knowing that the heavyweight/super heavyweight catagory is different..

Super heavyweight is an amatuer only catagory.

jinXed by JaNx Senior Member

Originally posted by Robtard
Actor/Martial-Artist(practically untested, no less) Vs. World Heavyweight Boxing Champion/one of the highest regarded figthers of all time.
Yet you pick the actor, lame, you're lame.

😆

Well you're a communist

One inch punch, my friend 😎

Sadako of Girth Extreme Mode

Originally posted by jaden101
Super heavyweight is an amatuer only catagory.

Indeed. The fact that heavyweights can fight literally any weight above them is something unique about their class though.

Sadako of Girth Extreme Mode

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
😆
Well you're a communist
One inch punch, my friend 😎

The one inch punch doesnt seem to be a technique that is easily applied to moving objects that punch back, and especially one as fast on his feet and two fisted, with superior range as Ali would be having.

jaden101 Restricted

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
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Well you're a communist
One inch penis, my friend 😎

Fixed.

The Nuul Senior Member

How does a Boxer defend against leg kicks?

Robtard Senor Member

Originally posted by The Nuul
How does a Boxer defend against leg kicks?

By floating like a butterfly and avoiding them.

By blocking.

By blocking/absorbing the hit and countering. This works if you know you can take more and hit harder than your opponent.

StyleTime Senior Member

Originally posted by The Nuul
How does a Boxer defend against leg kicks?

What does that have to do with Bruce Lee?

I think I get the mistake you're making already, but we'll see.

inimalist Junior Member

Originally posted by The Nuul
How does a Boxer defend against leg kicks?

ali punches far faster than lee can kick

kicks don't allow for as smooth of combos, especially not the same rapid succession that is seen in punching

Dr. Leg Kick Aesculapius

Depends what kind of kicks Lee will throw at Ali's legs. If they are Muay Thai or even Dutch style of kicks, then Ali will drop like bricks, but this won't happen, but this is not the case. This thread should be closed. I'm made my argument in the past.

Cassius Clay via KO

Dr. Leg Kick Aesculapius

Originally posted by inimalist
ali punches far faster than lee can kick
kicks don't allow for as smooth of combos, especially not the same rapid succession that is seen in punching

Biologically, our legs should posses more power when thrown, and as for the combo aspect, it should really depend on the practitioner. Some of these K1 fighters throw kick combos that shock the hell out of me.

edit:

For example, this isn't even a combo, but it is one of the most effective muay thai leg kicks.

I don't know if Lee has the knowledge of this technique.

StyleTime Senior Member

While you all do bring up interesting and valid points that answer Nuul's question, I don't see the point in entertaining his notion at all.

Lee hasn't shown the ability to throw enough damaging leg kicks to help him before Ali gets a KO. Far larger, far more skilled fighters take a while to actually down their opponents via leg kicks. This is assuming they even put their opponent down via leg kicks. Lee has no hope with that technique in this match.

Originally posted by Dr. Leg Kick
This thread should be closed.
Cassius Clay via KO

👆 This forum needs a rule against mismatched threads.