Originally posted by Dr. Leg Kick
Biologically, our legs should posses more power when thrown, and as for the combo aspect, it should really depend on the practitioner. Some of these K1 fighters throw kick combos that shock the hell out of me.edit:
For example, this isn't even a combo, but it is one of the most effective muay thai leg kicks.
I don't know if Lee has the knowledge of this technique.
Lee does something similar around 2:00-2:10 mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezdcvQdvyj4&feature=related
Side note: Bruce is too fast for Ali.
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx95% of street fights go to the ground - Royce Gracie
dude, you mofos don't know anything about street fighting, eh.Bruce Lee + side kick to Ali's knee cap = broken dead boxer. Street fights are a game of death.
Good game.
Originally posted by The NuulThat's a snap kick as he was demonstrating with teh instep of his foot. Brandon Vera in the gif. is using a muay thai push kick to the knee. Different goals in the attack.
Lee does something similar around 2:00-2:10 markhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezdcvQdvyj4&feature=related
Side note: Bruce is too fast for Ali.
Ali is a trained boxer, trained in the discipline of boxing.
Lee is a martial artist trained in the disciplines of Jeet Kun Do, Tai Chi Tuan, Jujitsu, Savate, Wing Chun, and Jun Fan Gung Fu.
Lee clearly has more technical skills, if not more physical, as opposed to Ali.
"Be formless... shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle; it becomes the bottle. You put it into a teapot; it becomes the teapot. Water can flow, or it can crash. Be water, my friend..." -Bruce Lee
Originally posted by Impediment
Ali is a trained boxer, trained in the discipline of boxing.Lee is a martial artist trained in the disciplines of Jeet Kun Do, Tai Chi Tuan, Jujitsu, Savate, Wing Chun, and Jun Fan Gung Fu.
Lee clearly has more technical skills, if not more physical, as opposed to Ali.
"Be formless... shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle; it becomes the bottle. You put it into a teapot; it becomes the teapot. Water can flow, or it can crash. Be water, my friend..." -Bruce Lee
QFT
Originally posted by Impediment
"Be formless... shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle; it becomes the bottle. You put it into a teapot; it becomes the teapot. Water can flow, or it can crash. Be water, my friend..." -Bruce Lee
Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.
Hmm...
I'm not sure who would win this fight, but I think there's a big misconception that Bruce was "only an actor" and his actual skill level is downplayed. Bruce was a master who happened to land gigs to showcase his skills to an audience unfamiliar with martial arts, he wasn't an actor who just happened to be a martial artist. I think it's unfair to fault him for living in an era where martial arts were a relative unknown in the mainstream of society so most of his exploits remain ambiguous, and there wasn't a mainstream organization with worldwide multimedia and marketing and weekly televised shows based solely on martial arts combat. Bruce made martial arts popular in western society with his films and that interest has led to what we have now. Give the legend his due.
I also think he'd own a lot of the current day MMA fighters that get so much love. Most of these cats in the here and now are just jacks of a few trades but not masters. Gracie's early success in the MMA world displayed this vividly in how he was able to dominate simply by being so adept in jujitsu, and because of his success fighters who wish to succeed obtain a competence in jujitsu, wrestling, Sanshou, etc. as a pre-requisite in the grappling techniques, but by and large aren't masters of their craft, though there are a number of exceptions. Bruce wasn't just flashy kicks and punching mirrors.
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
Bruce Lee + side kick to Ali's knee cap = broken dead boxer. Street fights are a game of death.
Originally posted by ChakraStrings
Unquestionably, hands down, Bruce Lee. Ali's a boxer... Bruce Lee is legend...I'm sure he had more than seven thousand different ways to defeat a boxer.
It's funny how the Lee arguments usually come down to things like "Well, I'm sure he could do this..." "He could probably counter like this...". It only points to a fact to which supporters remain willingly ignorant.
You can't verify this stuff with Lee.
Originally posted by Impediment
Ali is a trained boxer, trained in the discipline of boxing.Lee is a martial artist trained in the disciplines of Jeet Kun Do, Tai Chi Tuan, Jujitsu, Savate, Wing Chun, and Jun Fan Gung Fu.
Lee clearly has more technical skills, if not more physical, as opposed to Ali.
"Be formless... shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle; it becomes the bottle. You put it into a teapot; it becomes the teapot. Water can flow, or it can crash. Be water, my friend..." -Bruce Lee
Originally posted by StyleTime
Boxing IS a martial art. All real fighters today crosstrain in boxing. It is the undisputed style for punching and footwork. Also, boxers generally tend to own most other martial artists. Boxing, along with kickboxing and Muay Thai, is in the top tier for striking.P.S. Bruce Lee admitted to boxing being far better than other striking styles and Jeet Kune Do is largely based on it.
Originally posted by The Nuul
Lee does something similar around 2:00-2:10 markhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezdcvQdvyj4&feature=related
Side note: Bruce is too fast for Ali.
Originally posted by StyleTime
I saw the [b]demos. It's not hard to do what he did when the "opponent" is just standing there. The rest of his "feats" are just hearsay. He never fought anybody to back up any of his supposed martial knowledge. Also, the fighters he trained having nice things to say about him doesn't really amount to much. Most fighters are friendly and compliment each other all the time. Fedor said Crocop was his toughest opponent, but we've seen others give Fedor a harder fight. [/B]
Originally posted by illadelph12
I'm not sure who would win this fight, but I think there's a big misconception that Bruce was "only an actor" and his actual skill level is downplayed. Bruce was a master who happened to land gigs to showcase his skills to an audience unfamiliar with martial arts, he wasn't an actor who just happened to be a martial artist. I think it's unfair to fault him for living in an era where martial arts were a relative unknown in the mainstream of society so most of his exploits remain ambiguous, and there wasn't a mainstream organization with worldwide multimedia and marketing and weekly televised shows based solely on martial arts combat. Bruce made martial arts popular in western society with his films and that interest has led to what we have now. Give the legend his due.I also think he'd own a lot of the current day MMA fighters that get so much love. Most of these cats in the here and now are just jacks of a few trades but not masters. Gracie's early success in the MMA world displayed this vividly in how he was able to dominate simply by being so adept in jujitsu, and because of his success fighters who wish to succeed obtain a competence in jujitsu, wrestling, Sanshou, etc. as a pre-requisite in the grappling techniques, but by and large aren't masters of their craft, though there are a number of exceptions. Bruce wasn't just flashy kicks and punching mirrors.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Those guys[Mixed Martial Artists] would completely curbstomp Lee.You guys are forgetting that most anything about Bruce's fights are speculation. The guy was an actor. He had the proper notions about the future of fighting, but he doesn't have any real "feats" to back him up.
Originally posted by StyleTime
I understand fights were far less publicized, however they did exist. Like I said, there were great fighters during Bruce's time like Bill Wallace. It's strange that Bruce never once stepped up to fight any of the guys who were out there proving themselves. I just don't think it's fair for people to give all this respect to Lee because he made movies and overlook the guys that were out busting their asses in real fights.It's not impossible that Bruce did at least some of his "feats" but it wouldn't really be fair to assume he could beat guys like Ali when he never demonstrated that he was capable of doing so.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Let me ask you guys this. If there was an actor who played an incredible basketball player in many movies without actually playing any real games in the NBA or any other organization, would you consider him a great basketball player? We'll even assume this actor went to demos and did cool tricks with the ball, but he still never played an actual game.
Originally posted by inimalist
this is almost as bad as people who think Samurai swords could cut the barrel of an AK-47...
Because Lee is Asian people try to give him "magic powers"?
Lee was experienced in multiple types of fighting and invented one of his own. He certainly wasn't "just" and actor. Or do you really expect me to believe that Ali would be able to take out MMA fighters in the primes of their lives?
Pound for pound Lee was in better shape. In terms of skill Ali was just as limited as any other boxer. Beyond they "OMFG WEABOO CRAZIES THINK LEE IS MAGIC" argument I can't think of any way that Ali has an advantage.
Originally posted by Dr. Leg Kick
What was Lee's professional fight record?
Pretty good according to wiki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fight_history_of_Bruce_Lee
However, that's mostly in the form of quotes about what he did which is really odd.
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosAli could take out an MMA fighter. These guyz aren't invincible. There's a certain range that you shoot in to take a fighter down, in this case the MMA fighter would need to take down Ali. Even the leg kicks would be too risky due to Ali's speed, and incredible head movement.
Because Lee is Asian people try to give him "magic powers"?Lee was experienced in multiple types of fighting and invented one of his own. He certainly wasn't "just" and actor. Or do you really expect me to believe that Ali would be able to take out MMA fighters in the primes of their lives?
Pound for pound Lee was in better shape. In terms of skill Ali was just as limited as any other boxer. Beyond they "OMFG WEABOO CRAZIES THINK LEE IS MAGIC" argument I can't think of any way that Ali has an advantage.
Let's take Kevin Randleman vs Chuck Liddell. Beautiful example of two great wrestlers with tons of power in their hands. Randleman having the better credentials in wrestling, could take Liddell down easily if it was just a wrestling match, but getting hit with an overhand or uppercut is something else. If Ali lands one, it's over. And we aren't even considering the fact that Ali won't be wearing his heavy boxing gloves.
I don't even know if Lee's chin has been tested.
Originally posted by inimalist
this is almost as bad as people who think Samurai swords could cut the barrel of an AK-47...
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosYa I've read this before. It's great, but the caliber of fighters doesn't seem close to his level.
Pretty good according to wiki.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fight_history_of_Bruce_Lee
However, that's mostly in the form of quotes about what he did which is really odd.
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Would have loved to see Lee in MMA. He would have been one of the top p4p.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Lee was experienced in multiple types of fighting and invented one of his own. He certainly wasn't "just" and actor. Or do you really expect me to believe that Ali would be able to take out MMA fighters in the primes of their lives?Pound for pound Lee was in better shape. In terms of skill Ali was just as limited as any other boxer. Beyond they "OMFG WEABOO CRAZIES THINK LEE IS MAGIC" argument I can't think of any way that Ali has an advantage.
You all like that "them" thing don't ya. I know ya do.
Also, Ali was the first man to knock someone down while moving backwards. Anderson would be the second. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Bruce has the capability of doing so, but he's fought people that didn't have the evolved knowledge as he had. He was basically a mixed martial artist. Good luck finding anyone else like that at the time. Unless he went to Russia to fight a Sambo practitioner, or a fighter with a Pankration background. And again, I don't know who else he has fought with what backgrounds.