Originally posted by leapyear29
Muhammad Ali without a doubt, unless Bruce's strategy was to grapple, then Bruce would stand a chance..🙂
Ali would likely out-strength Lee and he has been shown vertically grappling and horizontally grappling very proficiently over the years in and out of the ring. Its definitely In Lee's interests to stay out of range.
(And that wouldn't take long to get caught with Ali's speed and reach...
and once hes caught against that amount of weight moving at that speed across that distance.....its nighty night to the man who was killed by an asprin.)
Originally posted by 753
but that's not fair to bruce. anyway, with no rules he can win by focusing on attacks to ali's legs.
To get within that range, Bruce has to move within distance of Ali's ultra fast punches and/or any kicks...another nightmare scenario for Lee, given that the 1st jab from Ali is likely to knock him out and that any incurred right hands will break bones, remove teeth/knock Lee out quickly.
175 voting for Lee...? Wow.. maybe they should be reminded that theres no choreographers' script here telling Lee what Alis gonna do...
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
To get within that range, Bruce has to move within distance of Ali's ultra fast punches and/or any kicks...another nightmare scenario for Lee, given that the 1st jab from Ali is likely to knock him out and that any incurred right hands will break bones, remove teeth/knock Lee out quickly.175 voting for Lee...? Wow.. maybe they should be reminded that theres no choreographers' script here telling Lee what Alis gonna do...
Lee was a real fighter not just an actor. I think people here understimate his speed too. He could break ali's knee with a kick and Ali would be unlikely to know how to defend well against lower body attacks. I dont understand why people believe a single punch would be sure knock him out either. The weight difference shouldn't make his head more fragile or his brain more likely to rattle than the heavy weight fighters ali didn't knock out with just one punch.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Fight starts.Lee does that "kick the m-er f-er across the room" kick to the gut of Ali right as Ali takes a swing and misses Lee's head. Ali flies 5 feet (instead of 10-12 like those light asian dudes). Lee finishes up with some ground and pound.
/reality.
That works well in the movies when the opponent (O'Hara) doesn't even try to move out of the way of the very telegraphed kick. Also works really well against a body-bag.
But it's likely not working against an opponent who not only is an expert at dancing out of the way, but is noted as one of the greatest fighters of all time. There's a reason why kicks like this are extremely rare in professional MMA fights. You can see them coming and the kicker is left exposed.
So Lee goes to do that kick, Ali dances left (or right) and delivers a 3-shot combo before Lee's kick is in completion. Lee falls to the floor, either too dazed to continue, or is knocked out. Ai closes with some quick and witty quip.
/reality
Originally posted by Robtard
That works well in the movies when the opponent (O'Hara) doesn't even try to move out of the way of the very telegraphed kick. Also works really well against a body-bag.But it's likely not working against an opponent who not only is an expert at dancing out of the way, but is noted as one of the greatest fighters of all time. There's a reason why kicks like this are extremely rare in professional MMA fights. You can see them coming and the kicker is left exposed.
So Lee goes to do that kick, Ali dances left (or right) and delivers a 3-shot combo before Lee's kick is in completion. Lee falls to the floor, either too dazed to continue, or is knocked out. Ai closes with some quick and witty quip.
/reality
Ali would get destroyed by most fighters in the Heavyweight class, quite easily, too.
Lee would do his kick, which Ali was never shown defending against, and he'd go down. 🙂
That or Lee would just roundhouse Ali to the head and nearly kill him. 🙂
That or Lee would do a double roundhouse which fakes out Ali the first time but knocks him out the second time.
That or Lee punches Ali right in the face two times before Ali even swings once. (We more than established Lee as the far faster puncher. 🙂 )
Originally posted by dadudemon
Ali would get destroyed by most fighters in the Heavyweight class, quite easily, too.Lee would do his kick, which Ali was never shown defending against, and he'd go down. 🙂
That or Lee would just roundhouse Ali to the head and nearly kill him. 🙂
That or Lee would do a double roundhouse which fakes out Ali the first time but knocks him out the second time.
That or Lee punches Ali right in the face two times before Ali even swings once. (We more than established Lee as the far faster puncher. 🙂 )
I agree in part, but highly debatable. Some are sure Tyson in his prime would level Ali out; I'm not so sure, as we seen what happens to Tyson when he can't end a fight in the first few rounds. Ali's dancing could pull him through in the later rounds. But that's another thread.
You mean Ali was never shown moving out of the way of an attack? I'm pretty sure he's dodged and side-stepped many a (faster) punch-combo.
Ali can jab and combo faster than Lee can "round-house his head".
Faking out the master faker? Highly doubtful.
No, we've not. Ali can punch in blurring flurry, we've got spades of footage of this throughout his career and he has an actual fight-tested punch. Lee punching in the movies or a body-bag does not compare.
But the Heavyweight class doesnt apply to Lee.
No way is Ali gonna sit through the telegraphing on those kicks..?
If Bruce misses with his all in one loaded up shot: Death
If he hits but not cleanly: Death
Even if he hits, (Which Ali is likely to survive): Death
Once Lee comes into range close enough to be effective he is torn apart by ultrafast counterpunching from a man twice his size and weight.
(A man noted to have KOed fighters whilst backing up on multiple occasions..)
Can't see Lee getting anything much in on this master of defense, who also seemed to be able to anticipate and read his opponents like a book... A man who is a master also at capitalising on the mistakes that his opponents make and turning their weakness against them.
Forecast for Lee: "Pain-pain-pain painity painity pain PAIIIIIIN...!!!!"
Originally posted by Robtard
I agree in part, but highly debatable.
That's it.
As long as you can say that, then we are in agreement.
Lee is faster and probably has significantly more upper body strength. Ali can take punches like a champ (lol) and has a long reach, but Lee has a longer reach with his kicks. Dodging...that could go either way, but I'd lean towards Lee's Jeet kun Do style as being far more suitable for avoiding strikes in a street fight.
In the end, it all comes down to being highly debatable.
You'd assume.
Klitchko might kill you.
With respect, the assumption that Boxers cant streetfight when the gloves are off is absurd,, without a ref or rules, all sorts of shit would then be permissable for the boxer to then do to you... making them if anything, a more dangerous opponent, not a disadvantaged one.