Originally posted by StyleTime
You confuse modern fighters(Couture) with those of days past(Bruce). Even if we just step back 20 years in time, fighters were very different. Royce Gracie, even in his prime, would look like an absolute assclown against today's elite. Shogun, Machida, GSP, Silva and their ilk have reached an entirely new level.Crosstraining is an ancient concept; however, "complete" fighters are a fairly recent(or at least recently revived) phenomenon.
The UFC is a highly restrictive sport event that prohibits a lot of strike-focused martial arts.
Fighters aren't allowed to compete if they use pure Karate, Aikido, Kung Fu, Wing Chun, Krav Maga, even Sambo (which is why the great Fedor Emelianenko was never allowed to fight in the UFC).
The UFC is focused more on the ground-game. We may never know how effective it would be against a striker (ie. GSP vs a highly trained Shaolin monk, or Couture vs Emelianenko) because of these restrictions.
Though these restrictions are useful, since strike-focused martial arts are very deadly, especially when opponents are struck in vital areas/pressure points.
Originally posted by the ninjak
Hey Sadako.Lee hits his legs. Bye Bye reach. How much experience did Ali have with street fighting? Out of curiosity. Outside of the ring? And Boxings limitatations.
The OP also doesn't state about the environment. Using it and surrounding objects.
I know Ali grew up in a southern city...
How about Ali Kicks Lee or Elbows him in the throat?
Ali has longer legs.
He can also batter Lee with objects from superior range too.
A boxer with safetys off is more dangerous. Not less dangerous.
He was apparently pretty handy outside the ring and by his own admission was a bit of a bully in his earlier days.
He handled Joe Frazier outside the ring that time.
Thats more evidence in favour of Ali outside the ring that there is for Lee outside of choreographed film...thats for sure.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
How about Ali Kicks Lee or Elbows him in the throat?
Ali has longer legs.
He can also batter Lee with objects from superior range too.
A boxer with safetys off is a more dangerous. Not less dangerous.He was apparently pretty handy outside the ring and by his own admission was a bit of a bully in his earlier days.
He handled Joe Frazier outside the ring that time.Thats more evidence in favour of Ali outside the ring that there is for Lee outside of choreographed film...thats for sure.
You think Ali would beat Lee with weapons? Poles, blades ands sticks.
I call shenanigans.
Lee was a full blown streetfighter in his youth as well. Just going off Dragon he took on angry kungFu chefs woth clevers and hardcore bother assassins on the set of Big Boss and and his trial of honour amongst the Chinese elder's champion. Heresay but he never lost. Took on all Triad allcomers on the set of Enter the Dragon. Dirty killers who wanted to test his mettle.
You think Lee is inhuman?
You think that recieving a metal pole to the head will be absorbed T-1000 style?
Thats speculation.
Whats not speculation, though, is that none of these Triads were top world class heavyweights, unlike the hoards of opponents we saw Ali KO.
Dragon was a movie.
Hearsay, like you say.
Originally posted by the ninjak
You think Ali would beat Lee with weapons? Poles, blades ands sticks.
I call shenanigans.Lee was a full blown streetfighter in his youth as well. Just going off Dragon he took on angry kungFu chefs woth clevers and hardcore bother assassins on the set of Big Boss and and his trial of honour amongst the Chinese elder's champion. Heresay but he never lost. Took on all Triad allcomers on the set of Enter the Dragon. Dirty killers who wanted to test his mettle.
Originally posted by the ninjak
Same as Ali's so called bullyfights. Unless you have any evidence of Ali taking on armed assailants. Or killers. Which were witnessed on part of Lee.
Indeed. Rumour rumour rumour.
But what isnt rumours are the fact that Ali fought and beat the toughest and best fighters the world had to offer in his day....and that he beat Joe Frazier in the studio when they kicked off.. that was filmed.
Frazier would have killed Lee too.
Ali certainly could grapple.
Also where is this Lee fighting for real footage?
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
I don't know why people keep bringing up the UFC and its stars into the discussion.The UFC is a highly restrictive sport event that prohibits a lot of strike-focused martial arts.
Fighters aren't allowed to compete if they use pure Karate, Aikido, Kung Fu, Wing Chun, Krav Maga, even Sambo (which is why the great Fedor Emelianenko was never allowed to fight in the UFC).
The UFC is focused more on the ground-game. We may never know how effective it would be against a striker (ie. GSP vs a highly trained Shaolin monk, or Couture vs Emelianenko) because of these restrictions.
Though these restrictions are useful, since strike-focused martial arts are very deadly, especially when opponents are struck in vital areas/pressure points.
Originally posted by the ninjak
Bruce Lee would defeat Muhammad Ali every single time if he focused. Most fights between the two would end in less than 45 seconds with Ali receiving a broken arm, or displaced knee cap. Bruce Lee's style focused on disabling his opponent systematically, and less on reckless speed. By removing the tools of his opponent/s he lessened their ability to form any sort of offense. Ali could only rely on his western boxing style, while Bruce Lee's style was unpredictable; incorporating holds, kicks, punches, grabs, and blocks.
Same as it ever was!
🙂
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
He has never fought anyone -
Is very small -Ali 53 fights
Lee 0Smoke and mirrors - only from Lee fans who are kids who do "Karate", etc believe.
People list several arts he supposedly trained in but for how long and from who? I believe his ego created his own style rather than sticking around long enough to get past the basics in any one. So far he was the only one good at his style and only on film. I only believe he has really mastered Wing Chun out of all the arts he says he has done. It's said that Bruce was not a certified instructor of Wing Chun, he was barely equalivant to a Shodan in a belt rank system. Bruce studied Grappling from Judo great Gene Lebelle for a couple of weeks 😂. Bruce is reffered to as the father of MMA by some because he introduced the idea of training in more than one style to the masses, nothing more nothing less. Pankrase is the true original MMA style obviously. Everything about Bruce is rumours even his death.
http://www.geocities.com/jimmy900_uk/bruceleerumours.htm
He fulfils a need for little people and kids to believe they can beat up big people 🙂
As we know in real life this just isn't true, little men don't win.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-324397-best-fighter-ever.html
hiyahh! Take your Kung fu down your local Boxing club 😉 take your Martial arts exercises down the local gym. Enjoy 🙂