Muhammad Ali or Bruce Lee?

he did show off the one inch punch at the international martial arts tournament, and chuck has admitted many MANY times that he was never even close to being as good as bruce lee. he was even a student of bruce's and a friend. maybe people should buy a dvd of the memory of bruce lee or one of its versions, we have actual statement there from the best martial artists to almost EVERY known movie martial artistsincluding jackie chan, dannnie insanton{or whatever}, chuck norris, jean claude van damme, jet li and many others .

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Lee beat up loads of extras, Often giving them three punches to knock him out of a circle, when they failed he put them down in one...

You try doing the 1 inch punch whirly... You laugh it off like anyone could do it.. But I doubt Ali could do it..

Why don't you do us a favour and find one Lee fight thats documented on the internet!

Can't find no video because all his fights were fake

Well in touch with the one inch punch it also had to do with your hips and using torque/power delivered through that as well.......kinda like baseball and watching a big hitter swing or when a swimmer kicks and rotates their hips in the water...

Anyway one inch punch was more then just elbow and snap🙂 In UFC fights and other leagues I watch spar sessions where little guys clobber the bigger striker. Sometimes size does matter just not as much with these 2 guys🙂

i guess this is the perfect time to say
1. Bruce lee supporters- Fanboys considering they can come up with evidence proving the actual REAL fights he was in....
2.Ali supporters- Are logical and actually use real life matches to back up what they say..

Ali wins no contest case closed...

lol

Bruce Lee, he has a lot more variety in his arsenal.
Now I'm not saying Ali will stick to rigid boxing rules but Bruce has what it takes to defeat him. Ali would have more of an edge of course because he has done fighting for real and knows how to take a shot, but martial arts is full of moves that if done correctly can seriously hurt people and I'm guessing Lee won't mess about with flashy film moves in a real fight.

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
Bruce Lee, he has a lot more variety in his arsenal.
Now I'm not saying Ali will stick to rigid boxing rules but Bruce has what it takes to defeat him. Ali would have more of an edge of course because he has done fighting for real and knows how to take a shot, but martial arts is full of moves that if done correctly can seriously hurt people and I'm guessing Lee won't mess about with flashy film moves in a real fight.

When did he fight for real? Please provide evidence or a link 🙂

lol

Whirly please explain how Ali is a better fighter then bruce ...

Bruce would totally pwn Ali's ass, lol.

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Whirly please explain how Ali is a better fighter then bruce ...

Because he isn't

Originally posted by AdventChild
i guess this is the perfect time to say
1. Bruce lee supporters- Fanboys considering they can come up with evidence proving the actual REAL fights he was in....
2.Ali supporters- Are logical and actually use real life matches to back up what they say..

Ali wins no contest case closed...

That's not necessarily true. I would back Bruce in the fight but I'm not gonna say he'd win for sure. I prefer him to Ali. Doesn't make me a fan boy.

-AC

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Whirly please explain how Ali is a better fighter then bruce ...

53 Wins - Champion of the world - documented fights - boxers do well in MMA, Kung Fu does not, don't say Jeet Ku Do was mixed martial arts because it wasn't little grappling was involved. Grapplers, Boxers, JJ and Muay Thai fighters have effective skills imo - Kung Fu and traditional arts do not. I trained in TKD for 20 years and boxed for about six years, I've dabbled in other arts. I love TKD but in a fight I believe boxing takes it over most other striking styles. The fact your used to being hit for a start, properly with no body armour on.

Size is also a big difference maker - can you say weight divisions 🙂 thsy exist for a reason. In Martial arts little guys do not beat big guys often in anything but point fighting. With heavyweights its different, because they have knock out punchers. The best small martial arts striker of all time was Benny the Jet, his fights are public record he went to the orient and beat the best fighters in the ring unlike Lee.

www.fightingmaster.com/legends/benny/

However Ali would have beaten him due to the size difference and the heavyweights power.

Check it this guys record is real and provable he was/ is the real deal

BRAVO!!!!

Educate yourself with the name Masutatsu Ôyama... He used a form of karate, And goes against everything you just said...

Seeing as I'm a kind guy I'll even throw you the wiki link.. cause I know how much you love to use it!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masutatsu_Oyama

Although I believe he could beat Bruce, I would see it as a good fight.

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Educate yourself with the name Masutatsu Ôyama... He used a form of karate, And goes against everything you just said...

Seeing as I'm a kind guy I'll even throw you the wiki link.. cause I know how much you love to use it!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masutatsu_Oyama

Although I believe he could beat Bruce, I would see it as a good fight.

Hmmm you do know that his style of Karate does not and never has allowed punches to the face in competition in its clickers. You also do know that Chuck Liddel is an expert in Kempo and has gone on record saying Muay Thai strikes are more effective.

Oyama was also a heavyweight I believe.

I hardly ever use Wiki, I know my stuff thats why I post direct links 🙂

So tell me who Lee has beaten for real again?

and this Wiki has some dubious stuff- He cut off bulls horns with a knife hand 😱 I doubt it 😂

Chow broke rocks with his fist... Killed bulls with one punch, Karate strikes are powerful...

I don't think I need to even dignify your Muay Thai comment with a response really... (but cause its you whirly...) "suffice to say" Its better then boxing....

From your own website... http://www.fightingmaster.com/masters/oyama/
"In 1952, he travelled the United States for a year, demonstrating his karate live and on national television. During subsequent years, he took on all challengers, resulting in fights with 270 different people. The vast majority of these were defeated with one punch! A fight never lasted more than three minutes, and most rarely lasted more than a few seconds. His fighting principle was simple — if he got through to you, that was it.
If he hit you, you broke. If you blocked a rib punch, you arm was broken or dislocated. If you didn't block, your rib was broken. He became known as the Godhand, a living manifestation of the Japanese warriors' maxim Ichi geki, Hissatsu or "One strike, certain death". To him, this was the true aim of technique in karate. The fancy footwork and intricate techniques were secondary (though he was also known for the power of his head kicks). "

I trained in karate for a few years when I was young.. I was told never to hit in the face for fear of seriously damaging someone...

This is what your whole argument is based on... Lee not having any documented fights??? quite a moot point really... I don't think lee would have such a reputation if he could of been taken by anyone, Do you think he would of been a push over? his fights weren't documented as he wasn't fighting for a belt...

Do you consider all of Ali's wins to be great?

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Chow broke rocks with his fist... Killed bulls with one punch, Karate strikes are powerful...

I don't think I need to even dignify your Muay Thai comment with a response really... (but cause its you whirly...) "suffice to say" Its better then boxing....

From your own website... http://www.fightingmaster.com/masters/oyama/
"In 1952, he travelled the United States for a year, demonstrating his karate live and on national television. During subsequent years, he took on all challengers, resulting in fights with 270 different people. The vast majority of these were defeated with one punch! A fight never lasted more than three minutes, and most rarely lasted more than a few seconds. His fighting principle was simple — if he got through to you, that was it.
If he hit you, you broke. If you blocked a rib punch, you arm was broken or dislocated. If you didn't block, your rib was broken. He became known as the Godhand, a living manifestation of the Japanese warriors' maxim Ichi geki, Hissatsu or "One strike, certain death". To him, this was the true aim of technique in karate. The fancy footwork and intricate techniques were secondary (though he was also known for the power of his head kicks). "

I trained in karate for a few years when I was young.. I was told never to hit in the face for fear of seriously damaging someone...

This is what your whole argument is based on... Lee not having any documented fights??? quite a moot point really... I don't think lee would have such a reputation if he could of been taken by anyone, Do you think he would of been a push over? his fights weren't documented as he wasn't fighting for a belt...

Do you consider all of Ali's wins to be great?

Can you provide evidence beyond the usual Karate hearsay.

I actually know a lot about KK and Kempo as styles and Dolph Lundgren was a KK heavyweight champion. 😂

KK is a hard style but its still Karate and I would like more evidence than hearsay.

Fighting for a belt 😂

Same as with all Karate type things its not documented 😂 show me the bodies.

Show me him cutting bulls horns off with his hand - show me something.

🙂

Have you checked out the bruce lee section from that website you used??
"Bruce created a unique style of fighting which is very effective in the way he used it. Here are some strong points:
1.He used kicks to the head. If he did not use them (like some people claim) he would not train for them. Kicks to the head CAN be very effective, especially roundhouse kicks. I have seen hundreds of fights. I haven’t seen anyone take a good roundhouse kick to the head and not go down. Even a tough fighter like Don Frye could not survive against a good roundhouse kick thrown to him by Jerome Le Banner.
2. He was one of the first to use boxing training methods and protective equipment in sparring.
3. He explained why a technique is effective before he taught it. Back then, in other martial arts, you either accepted tradition or you were out of the school.
4. He trained his punches and kicks against live targets (like focus gloves) or against the fearsome body bag. The noise of a snapping gi was not enough for him. He had to know that his attacks were effective.
5. He was the first martial arts master that stressed the importance of a cardiovascular workout. He was really tired of seeing big-bellied masters that would not last a single round against a boxer in a ring. For Bruce, the best kind of endurance and cardiovascular training was running.
6. Most martial arts make a common mistake in their training. They train their students against attacks that are used in a stiff and robot-like manner. No enemy ever attacks like that. And you can be sure that most attackers will not attack you with a reverse punch or using a traditional martial arts move. Bruce trained his students against boxing punches and tae kwon do kicks."

You ask for proof? that website acknowledges all those feats!?! 😂.... Your own website... Shame on you whirly doubting your own source... 😆

...Your own source....😂

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Have you checked out the bruce lee section from that website you used??
"Bruce created a unique style of fighting which is very effective in the way he used it. Here are some strong points:
1.He used kicks to the head. If he did not use them (like some people claim) he would not train for them. Kicks to the head CAN be very effective, especially roundhouse kicks. I have seen hundreds of fights. I haven’t seen anyone take a good roundhouse kick to the head and not go down. Even a tough fighter like Don Frye could not survive against a good roundhouse kick thrown to him by Jerome Le Banner.
2. He was one of the first to use boxing training methods and protective equipment in sparring.
3. He explained why a technique is effective before he taught it. Back then, in other martial arts, you either accepted tradition or you were out of the school.
4. He trained his punches and kicks against live targets (like focus gloves) or against the fearsome body bag. The noise of a snapping gi was not enough for him. He had to know that his attacks were effective.
5. He was the first martial arts master that stressed the importance of a cardiovascular workout. He was really tired of seeing big-bellied masters that would not last a single round against a boxer in a ring. For Bruce, the best kind of endurance and cardiovascular training was running.
6. Most martial arts make a common mistake in their training. They train their students against attacks that are used in a stiff and robot-like manner. No enemy ever attacks like that. And you can be sure that most attackers will not attack you with a reverse punch or using a traditional martial arts move. Bruce trained his students against boxing punches and tae kwon do kicks."

You ask for proof? that website acknowledges all those feats!?! 😂.... Your own website... Shame on you whirly doubting your own source... 😆

...Your own source....😂

But where does it say he won any fights?

So he introduced boxing ideas into Kung Fu - what does that say 🙂

big bellied masters didn't you just hold one up

Show me something - I used that to highlight Benny's record - I could have used any site, I knew his record 🙂

Show me something real, show me Lee winning a real fight please

Ali 53 : Lee 0 but some films 🙂