Muhammad Ali or Bruce Lee?

Bruce beat plenty of extras who stepped up...

Masutatsu Ôyama became big bellied in his later life... after living in mountains working out... hit exercises are were mainly cardiovascular... and beating half the world best...

Are you still using that moot point??? cause he doesn't have any documented fights other then films??? even though he is regarded as one of the best of all time??? I don't think that point cuts it... all of the fighters at the world championships were impressed with his 2 finger push ups, and 1 inch punch.

He trained against boxers, and used boxing training methods, Did Ali train against marshal artists?? the only point your relying on is the fact that ali beat x boxers.... Bruce trained to fight them, built his body based on boxing body building techniques, Learned to kick very well... How many kicks would ali take?

How many loses huh???
Ali 5+ Lee 1 when he was 14....

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Bruce beat plenty of extras who stepped up...

Masutatsu Ôyama became big bellied in his later life... after living in mountains working out... hit exercises are were mainly cardiovascular... and beating half the world best...

Are you still using that moot point??? cause he doesn't have any documented fights other then films??? even though he is regarded as one of the best of all time??? I don't think that point cuts it... all of the fighters at the world championships were impressed with his 2 finger push ups, and 1 inch punch.

He trained against boxers, and used boxing training methods, Did Ali train against marshal artists?? the only point your relying on is the fact that ali beat x boxers.... Bruce trained to fight them, built his body based on boxing body building techniques, Learned to kick very well... How many kicks would ali take?

He beat extras 😂 So these were the world heavyweight boxing champion or number one contender or another very small man?

The one inch punch 😂 sure wins ultimate fighting championships

Show me a fight he had - its not a moot point its the whole point 🙂

Show me a Kung fu expert or traditional Marshal arts fighter who does well in "No holds barred fights"

Show me something real, show me these bull horns being chopped off 😱

Lee still 0 fights
Ali still a proven record

Show me something real

You only got 2 points....

1) Is too knock proof from websites??? taken from there autobiography... Chow was famous for killing bulls! 😄

2) You know as well as I do that Lee didn't fight in the public eye..
And that is the only point you got old man...#

Even though its been shown Lee trained to fight against boxers, and there are marshal artist who would work the UFC... (chow beat 270 Americans... hmmm Ali eat your heart out...) You still live on the wing of there being no recorded Lee fights... talk about closed mined...

...as requested....

I can't help myself now... the actual broken horn...

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
You only got 2 points....

1) Is too knock proof from websites??? taken from there autobiography... Chow was famous for killing bulls! 😄

2) You know as well as I do that Lee didn't fight in the public eye..
And that is the only point you got old man...#

Even though its been shown Lee trained to fight against boxers, and there are marshal artist who would work the UFC... (chow beat 270 Americans... hmmm Ali eat your heart out...) You still live on the wing of there being no recorded Lee fights... talk about closed mined...

Autobiography means he wrote it himself 🙂 So he chopped bull horns off 😂 ❌ he really didn't. Those are very small Bulls 😂 look at the size of horn 🙂 The second pic shows nothing by the way - the first shows little. Why did these Karate guys all lose to BJJ fighter and people like Benny in all "documented bouts"

Show me some evidence Lee had a fight otherwise you have nothing.

Chow beat 270 documented Americans from a real site or had a record of 270 wins where? Who mentioned Chow anyway and we are not talking about wrestling small bulls which happens in Rodeos you clain that the horns can be chopped off with a knifehand strike. Argue your point not another

Show me something real please

The point is still can we prove Lee has had a fight against anyone with the Skill of the World Heavyweight Champ. ❌ you can't.

57 and 0

Omg.... I can't believe you expect me to take your posts as golden while constantly doubting mine.. you even doubt proof from the same website you used.... Talk about hypocritical...

Face it whirly Once again your hopes and dreams have come crashing down...

http://www.masutatsuoyama.com/masoyama.htm#Bulls

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Omg.... I can't believe you expect me to take your posts as golden while constantly doubting mine.. you even doubt proof from the same website you used.... Talk about hypocritical...

Face it whirly Once again your hopes and dreams have come crashing down...

http://www.masutatsuoyama.com/masoyama.htm#Bulls

Yes I doubt your website I want to see a horn chopped off 🙂

Benny the Jets record is public domain.

Google it.

Ali's record is public domain google it.

Lee has beaten no one.

It would be nice for Masters on the hill to really exist, but mixed Martial arts has shown they do not and old style Martial arts do not triumph against any of these three tecniques a good solid uppercut, a Thai roundhouse or any submission technique.

live in reality, its better

Big guys beat little guys that why we have weight divisions. Lees foot reach was probably less than Alis arm reach.

Still your only point is that ali fought in the public eye... and bruce didn't...

Even though Bruce understood how boxers fight.. Wrote all about good footwork, trained against boxers, Worked out like a boxer...

I think he had them pretty well worked out... Ali, beat brawlers with little to no footwork, and failed to understand technique... When he did start fighting his equals he was on the way out.. (Shame about that really)

Ali knows nothing of Lees fighting style.. While lee fully understands Ali...

Anyways... Having no previous wins don't mean na-da

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
[B]Still your only point is that ali fought in the public eye... and bruce didn't...

Even though Bruce understood how boxers fight.. Wrote all about good footwork, trained against boxers, Worked out like a boxer...

I think he had them pretty well worked out... Ali, beat brawlers with little to no footwork, and failed to understand technique... When he did start fighting his equals he was on the way out.. (Shame about that really)

Ali knows nothing of Lees fighting style.. While lee fully understands Ali...

Anyways... Having no previous wins don't mean na-da [/B]

Yes he realised boxing was superior to his style that much is obvious.

Ali beat brawlers 😕 no he really didn't.

Amateur highlights
1957
26 Feb Kent Green Chicago LK 2
(Chicago Golden Glove Quarterfinals)

1958
Mar 5 Chicago Golden Gloves Finals

1959
Mar 11 Chicago Golden Gloves Finals
25 Mar Tony Madigan Chicago W 3
(Wins Inter-City Golden Gloves)

Apr National AAU Light-heavyweight Champion

Sep Amos Johnson Chicago L 3
(Pan Am Games Quarterfinals)

1960
Feb 29 Wins Chicago Golden Gloves
Mar 21 Gary Jawish New York KO 3 (1:46)
(Wins Inter-City Golden Gloves, Heavyweight)

8 Apr Cassius Marcellus Clay, Jr. registers for the military draft
9 Apr Jeff Davis Toledo, OH KO 2
(Wins National AAU Light-heavyweight Championship)

May 20 Alan Hudson San Francisco KO
(May 18-20 Olympic Trials; wins as light heavyweight)

Olympics: Opponent Country Result
Yves Because Belgium TKO 2
Sep 1 Genadiy Schatkov USSR W Dec
Tony Madigan Australia W Dec
Sep 5 Zbigniew Pietrzykowki Poland W Dec (5-0)

Professional Record
1960
29 Oct Tunney Hunsaker Louisville, KY W6
27 Dec Herb Siler Miami Beach, FL KO4

1961
17 Jan Tony Esperti Miami Beach, FL KO3
6 Feb Ingemar Johansson Miami Beach, FL Spar-2
7 Feb Jim Robinson Miami Beach, FL KO1
21 Feb Donnie Fleeman Miami Beach, FL KO7
19 Apr Lamar Clark Louisville, KY KO2
26 Jun Duke Sabedong Las Vegas, NV W10
22 Jul Alonzo Johnson Louisville, KY W10
7 Oct Alex Miteff Louisville, KY KO6
29 Nov Willi Besmanoff Louisville, KY KO7

1962
19 Feb Sonny Banks New York, NY KO4
28 Mar Don Warner Miami Beach, FL KO4
23 Apr George Logan Los Angeles, CA KO6
19 May Billy Daniels New York, NY KO7
20 Jul Alejandro Lavorante Los Angeles, CA KO5
15 Nov Archie Moore Los Angeles, CA KO4

1963
24 Jan Charlie Powell Pittsburgh, PA KO3
13 Mar Doug Jones New York, NY W10
18 Jun Henry Cooper London KO5

1964
--- Read Cassius Clay's prediction for the Liston Fight

Feb 25 Sonny Liston Miami Beach, FL TKO7
(Won world championship)

Following the Liston fight, Clay briefly adopted the name Cassius X. In March he changed his name to Muhammad Ali.
1965
25 May Sonny Liston Lewiston, ME KO1
(Retained World Heavyweight Title)
28 Jul Cody Jones Belize, Brit. Honduras Exh 4
31 Jul Jimmy Ellis San Juan, PR Exh 3
31 Jul Cody Jones San Juan, PR Exh 3
14 Aug Opponent Saterdalen, Sweeden Exh
16 Aug Cody Jones Goteborg, Sweden Exh 2
16 Aug Jimmy Ellis Goteborg, Sweden Exh 2
20 Aug Jimmy Ellis London Exh 4
20 Aug Cody Jones Paisley, Scotland Exh 4
Oct 28 Opponent Freeport, Bahamas Exh
22 Nov Floyd Patterson Las Vegas, NV KO12
(Retained World Heavyweight Title)

1966
29 Mar George Chuvalo Toronto W15
(Retained World Heavyweight Title)
21 May Henry Cooper London KO6
(Retained World Heavyweight Title)
6 Aug Brian London London KO3
(Retained World Heavyweight Title)

On August 23, 1966, Ali petitions the Selective Servce
for an exemption from Military Service. He signs as
Cassius Marcellus Clay, Jr., a/k/a/ Muhhammad Ali,
Special Field Minister, he Lost Nation of Islam.
His request is denied.

10 Sep Karl Mildenberger Frankfurt, Germany KO12
(Retained World Heavyweight Title)

Oct 27 Doug Jones Louisville, KY Exh 6

14 Nov Cleveland Williams Houston, TX KO3
(Retained World Heavyweight Title)

1967
6 Feb Ernie Terrell Houston, TX W15
(Retained World Heavyweight Title, wins WBA Title)

6 Mar Ali's A-1 draft classification upheld

22 Mar Zora Folley New York, NY KO7
(Retained World Heavyweight Title)

28 Apr Ali refuses induction into US Army;
NY State revokes his license to box as do many others
8 May Ali is indicted for draft evasion by Federal Grand Jury

15 Jun Alvin "Blue" Lewis Detroit, MI Exh 3
15 Jun Orvill Qualls Detroit, MI Exh 3

On June 20, 1967, a jury for the U.S. District Court for the
Southern District of Texas, Houston Division, returned a
verdict of guilty against Ali on the charge of violating the
Universal Military Training and Sevice Act because of his
refusal to be inducted. Judge Joe Ingraham sentences
him to a term 5 years imprisonment and a fine of $10,000.
Ali appeals the next day and is released on bond.

1970
Jan 20 Rocky Marciano (movie/computer fight) TKO by 13

On February 1, 1970, Ali officially retired and vacated the title.
This assured that the winner of the Joe Frazier vs. Jimmy Ellis
"unification" bout would be considered the undisputed champion.

On September 11, 1970, Ali announced that he had signed to fight
Jerry Quarry in Georgia, which had no state commission. At the time,
Ali's conviction for draft evasion was on appeal to the U.S. Supreme
Court. Meanwhile, Ali had won a separate Federal Court action
that held the New York State Athletic Commission's refusal to
give Ali a license was arbitrary and capricious and contrary to law.
The Commission did not appeal that ruling.

-- Sep Rufus Braswell Site Exh 2
-- Sep Johnny Hudgins Site Exh 2
-- Sep George Hill Site Exh 4
26 Oct Jerry Quarry Atlanta, GA KO3
7 Dec Oscar Bonavena New York, NY TK 15

30 Dec Ali signs to fight Joe Frazier in March

1971
8 Mar Joe Frazier New York, NY L15
(For World Heavyweight Title)

25 Jun J.D. McCauley Dayton, OH Exh 2
25 Jun Eddie Brooks Dayton, OH Exh 3
25 Jun Rufus Brassell Dayton, OH Exh 3

28 Jun U.S. Supreme Court reverses Ali's draft evasion conviction
30 Jun Alex Mack Charleston, SC Exh 3
30 Jun Eddie Brooks Charleston, SC Exh 4

26 Jul Jimmy Ellis Houston, TX KO12
(Won Vacant NABF Heavyweight Title)

21 Aug Lancer Johnson Caracas Exh 4
21 Aug Eddie Brooks Caracas Exh 4
23 Aug Lancer Johnson Port of Spain, Trinidad Exh 4
23 Aug Eddie Brooks Port of Spain, Trinidad Exh 2
6 Nov James Summerville Buenos Aires Exh 5
6 Nov Miguel Paez Buenos Aires Exh 5
17 Nov Buster Mathis Houston, TX W12
19 Oct Opponent England Exh 8
26 Dec Jurgen Blin Zurich, Switzerland KO7

1972
28 Jan Opponent Vancouver, Can Exh 10

18 Feb Al Migliorato Pittsburgh Exh 4
1 Apr Mac Foster Tokyo W15
1 May George Chuvalo Vancouver, Canada W12
(Retained NABF Heavyweight Title)
29 Jun Jerry Quarry Las Vegas, NV KO7
(Retained NABF Heavyweight Title)
1 Jul Lonnie Bennett Los Angeles, CA Exh 2
1 Jul Eddie Jones Los Angeles, CA Exh 2
1 Jul Billy Ryan Los Angeles, CA Exh 2
1 Jul Charley James Los Angeles, CA Exh 2
1 Jul Rudy Clay Los Angeles, CA Exh 2

19 Jul Al Lewis Dublin KO 11

1 Aug Gregorio Peralta Barcelona, Spain Exh 8
24 Aug Obie English Baltimore, MD Exh 4
24 Aug Ray Anderson Baltimore, MD Exh 2
24 Aug Alonzo Johnson Baltimore, MD Exh 2
24 Aug George Hill Baltimore, MD Exh 2
Aug 28 Alonzo Johnson Cleveland, OH Exh 2
Aug 28 Amos Johnson Cleveland, OH Exh 2
Aug 28 Terry Daniels Cleveland, OH Exh 2
Aug 28 Rodney Greene Cleveland, OH Exh 1
Aug 28 Gary Dee Cleveland, OH Exh 1

The Aug 28 exhibitions were a purported fund-raiser
for Forest City Hospital, significant as Don King's
first "promotion."

20 Sept Floyd Patterson New York KO7
(Retained NABF Heavyweight Title)

11 Oct (John) Dino Dennis Boston, MA Exh 2
11 Oct Cliff McDonald Boston, MA Exh 2
11 Oct Doug Kirk Boston, MA Exh 2
11 Oct Ray Anderson Boston, MA Exh 2
11 Oct Paul Raymond Boston, MA Exh 2
Nov 18 Al Jones Johannesburg, S.A. Sch-x

Nov 21 Bob Foster Stateline, NV KO8
(Retained NABF Heavyweight Title)

Nov 28 Charlie Boston Salem, Va Exh 2
Nov 28 Jimmy Wingfield Salem, Va Exh 2
Nov 28 John Jordan Salem, Va Exh 2
Nov 28 Alonzo Johnson Salem, Va Exh 2

1973
Feb 14 Joe Bugner Las Vegas, NV W12
Feb 23 Roy "Cookie" Wallace Dallas Exh 4
Mar 31 Ken Norton San Diego L12
(Lost NABF Heavyweight Title)
Sep 10 Ken Norton Los Angeles W12
(Regained NABF Heavyweight Title)
Oct 21 Rudi Lubbers Jakarta, Indonesia W12

1974
Jan 23 Joe Frazier and Ali brawl at ABC Studios
Jan 28 Joe Frazier New York, NY W12
(Retained NABF Heavyweight Title)

Oct 30 George Foreman Kinshasa KO8
(Won World Heavyweight Title)

Dec 3 Opponent London, Eng Exh

1975
24 Mar Chuck Wepner Cleveland, OH KO15
(Retained World Heavyweight Title)
16 May Ron Lyle Las Vegas, NV KO11
(Retained World Heavyweight Title)
30 Jun Joe Bugner Kuala Lumpur W15
(Retained World Heavyweight Title)
1 Oct Joe Frazier Manila KO14
(Retained World Heavyweight Title)

Dec 6 Randy Stephens Dallas, Tx Exh 3

1976
20 Feb Jean Pierre Coopman San Juan, PR KO5
(Retained World Heavyweight Title)
30 Apr Jimmy Young Landover, MD W15
(Retained World Heavyweight Title)
24 May Richard Dunn Munich, Germany KO5
(Retained World Heavyweight Title)
25 Jun Antonio Inoki Tokyo Exh D15
(above was boxer-wrestler exhibition)

27 Jun Gerald Noble Seoul Exh 1 (5 min.)
27 Jun Larry D. Rice Seoul Exh

28 Sep Ken Norton New York W15
(Retained World Heavyweight Title)

1977
29 Jan Peter Fuller Boston, MA Exh 2
29 Jan Walter Haines Boston, MA Exh 1
29 Jan Jerry Houston Boston, MA Exh 2
29 Jan Ron Drinkwater Boston, MA Exh 2
29 Jan Matt Ross Boston, MA Exh 2
29 Jan Frank Smith Boston, MA Exh 1
(Above a Benefit for Elma Lewis School of Fine Arts)

16 May Alfredo Evangelista Landover, MD W 15
(Retained World Heavyweight Title)

16 Jul Ali boxes at Ron Taylor's Boxing Booth, England

29 Sep Earnie Shavers New York, NY W 15
(Retained World Heavyweight Title)

14 Nov Bernardo Mercado Bogata, Colombia Exh 5
2 Dec Scott LeDoux Chicago, IL Exh 5

1978
15 Feb Leon Spinks Las Vegas, NV L15
(Lost World Heavyweight Title)

15 Aug Leon Spinks New Orleans, LA W15
(Won World Heavyweight Title)

1979
Mar 12 Ali's Farewell Night, Providence RI
Mar 12 Dino Dennis Providence, RI Exh 2
Mar 12 Alonzo Johnson Providence, RI Exh 2
Mar 12 Jimmy Ellis Providence, RI Exh 2
May 25 Opponent London, Eng Exh
May 27 Alonzo Johnson Randers, Den Exh 5
May 27 Jimmy Ellis Randers, Den Exh 5
Jun 7 Opponent Birmingham, Eng Exh

Jun 27 Ali announces his retirement
Jul 10 World Premiere of film "Freedom Road" starring Ali

Jul 14 Lyle Alzado Denver, CO Exh 8
(Weights -- Ali 234; Alzado 243.5)

1980
Aug 8 Read "The Day I Faced Ali"

Oct 2 Larry Holmes Las Vegas, NV LK 11
(For World Heavyweight Title)

1981
11 Dec Trevor Berbick Nassau, Bahamas L10

1982
Jul 19 Opponent Tulsa, OK Exh

Undated
late 1971 Alonzo Johnson & Georgio Bambini Exh at Genoa, Italy
(Ali fought both men at same time!)
mid 1972 Ba Sounkalo Exh
mid 1975 Opponent Exh 6, Benefit for Shaw College
Fall 1978 Sammy Davis,Jr. Exh, Benefit for Howard Bingham
Fall 1978 3 Opponents Exh in Moscow
Feb 1979? Luke Capuano Exh at Depaul University
circa 1979 Opponent Exh in Casablanca

Liston Norton Frazier Holmes Cooper Patterson etc etc etc

Show me something his record is two posts long.

I want 1 from Lee

here you go....

http://www.time.com/time/time100/heroes/profile/lee02.html

"In 1964, at a tournament in Long Beach, Calif. — the first major American demonstration of kung fu — Lee, an unknown, ripped through black belt Dan Inosanto so quickly that Inosanto asked to be his student."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Inosanto (cause I know ya love wiki!)

Bruce learned what the strengths of marshal arts where and combined them with the strengths of boxing... boxing is not Superior to marshal arts, nor is it benefit it...

You still haven't addressed all of Bruce's knowledge of Boxing.. and Ali's lack of knowledge of any marshal art....

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
here you go....

http://www.time.com/time/time100/heroes/profile/lee02.html

"In 1964, at a tournament in Long Beach, Calif. — the first major American demonstration of kung fu — Lee, an unknown, ripped through black belt Dan Inosanto so quickly that Inosanto asked to be his student."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Inosanto (cause I know ya love wiki!)

We all know about that but its not a real fight it was a Kempo tournament set up to launch Kung Fu its destroyed by someone earlier in this thread. I'll look for it. IT was a set up 🙂 The only references to it are from the Inosanto/ Lee camp. Please show me more than an unsubstatiated report in a tribute and a Wike reference.

Ripped through means what?

Inosantos record?

His weight etc.

He made lots of money from being associated with Lee

ya mean, like Ali beating sonny liston with a phantom punch... Who was also suppose to be in the mobs pocket...???

Don't give me that rubbish Whirly.... Time magazine isn't a good source??? what will you accept?? every site I use isn't acceptable...

The point still remains... Bruce didn't fight in the public eye like Ali... Yet he was considered a master... If he was such an amateur like your suggesting... Why don't more boxers go take the world marshal arts tournaments by storm??

Please enlighten us with your view on Bruce's fighting technique compared to Ali's...

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
ya mean, like Ali beating sonny liston with a phantom punch... Who was also suppose to be in the mobs pocket...???

Don't give me that rubbish Whirly....

The point still remains... Bruce didn't fight in the public eye like Ali... Yet he was considered a master... If he was such an amateur like your suggesting... Why don't more boxers go take the world marshal arts tournaments by storm??

Please enlighten us with your view on Bruce's fighting technique compared to Ali's...

Lee was a small man
His physical stature meant he could not compete against a trained athlete of Alis calibre.
Ali was used to being hit.
We have no evidence Lee was.
His fighting style we know little about except in books like Tao which I have a copy of and is about as amusing as most home Martial arts books written at that time.
He looked good on screen as Mr Smiley showed earlier Lees training and strength level was quite low.
Most Wing chun techniques rely on being close your opponent and striking joints, it is effective but........ not against figters who can keep you away, boxers are excellent at this.
Joint attack also leave you open usually which is why they are usually a first strike initiating confrontation rather than a counter.
If someone stamps a knee or shin out its all over before a fight starts but I think they are both supposed to know they are fighting so conversely Ali cannot just deliver a rabbit punch to an unaware Lee.

Lees trapping techniques were not complex enough to work on a much bigger opponent and he had no grappling. His kicking is typically flowery something Chinese styles usually exhibit. The UFC has shown that Roundhouse kicks are like right hooks if they hit the mark they are devastating but usually they are not. The UFC has also shown of strikers boxing techniques are the most effective in the stadup. Its Chuck Liddells hands that win things using boxing techniques. Lees style was great for film.
I have most of his movies. 🙂

Boxers do take World Marshall Arts championships by storm - Second rate Boxers at that. More money in Boxing so more stay in it.

The K1 and UFC are full of boxers but grapplers beat strikers often. Lee was not a skilled Grappler or BJJ expert.

Originally posted by Mr _Whirlysplat
Lee was a small man
His physical stature meant he could not compete against a trained athlete of Alis calibre.
Ali was used to being hit.
We have no evidence Lee was.
His fighting style we know little about except in books like Tao which I have a copy of and is about as amusing as most home Martial arts books written at that time.
He looked good on screen as Mr Smiley showed earlier Lees training and strength level was quite low.
Most Wing chun techniques rely on being close your opponent and striking joints, it is effective but........ not against figters who can keep you away, boxers are excellent at this.
Joint attack also leave you open usually which is why they are usually a first strike initiating confrontation rather than a counter.
If someone stamps a knee or shin out its all over before a fight starts but I think they are both supposed to know they are fighting so conversely Ali cannot just deliver a rabbit punch to an unaware Lee.

Lees trapping techniques were not complex enough to work on a much bigger opponent and he had no grappling. His kicking is typically flowery something Chinese styles usually exhibit. The UFC has shown that Roundhouse kicks are like right hooks if they hit the mark they are devastating but usually they are not. The UFC has also shown of strikers boxing techniques are the most effective in the stadup. Its Chuck Liddells hands that win things using boxing techniques. Lees style was great for film.
I have most of his movies. 🙂

😆

Why don't you try reading up on him... so much of that is made up rubbish its untrue...

but just a few for you...

Lee published 5+ books on his style... and has many writings online...
Lee often gave challenges to people to knock him out of a circle with 3 punches... when they failed he put them down in 1
He could do 2 finger push ups... theres mainly photos of this.. He worked out using a BOXERS training circuit...

His fighting style...
http://inosanto.com/wrapper.php?file=academy_curriculum.htm

Conclusion... Whirly assumptions of Bruce lee are wrong... You could of been a wiki whore and learned a bit before typing that tripe! 😆

I actually watched UFC the other day... what a lame display... some guy just held the other against the fence for the entire round cause he knew he was going to get worked if he let go... although I suppose thats fighting... Ali isn't a grappler

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
😆

Why don't you try reading up on him... so much of that is made up rubbish its untrue...

but just a few for you...

Lee published 5+ books on his style... and has many writings online...
Lee often gave challenges to people to knock him out of a circle with 3 punches... when they failed he put them down in 1
He could do 2 finger push ups... theres mainly photos of this.. He worked out using a BOXERS training circuit...

His fighting style...
http://inosanto.com/wrapper.php?file=academy_curriculum.htm

Conclusion... Whirly assumptions of Bruce lee are wrong... You could of been a wiki whore and learned a bit before typing that tripe! 😆

I never use Wik you do

Show me a Kung Fu expert in the UFC or K1
Show me proof Lee did any of this.
You can't.
You want him to be able to do this and you keep saying I know nothing.
I'm asking you for evidence I have given loads.
Its obvious you are a Lee fanboy and you think Martial arts movies are real 🙂
You post Dan Inosanto as proof.
Yes Lee wanted to be a boxer.

Thats cool go with it, in ten years you'll look back and laugh at your posts tonight.

take care

when you have any evidence show me

hahaha Thats the best you got???

Doubting Whirly... 😆
Your best quote; "I never saw any horns.." 😂

I doubt any real Kung Fu masters have ever been on UFC... Just big guys who grapple you to a fence for 5mins!!!!

Calling me a lee fanboy???? Your only moot point has been that Ali won 58 matches... and thats flawed beyond belief!

You got shown that Lee trained against boxers... Mastered footwork, (Ali's best weapon) And has considerable strength for his size... Knew alot of the worlds different styles and combined them to create a style called JKD "the art of the intercepting fist" (theres a clue in the name somewhere)

And your rebuttal to all of this??? Show me a fight....

Lame!!! Why don't you try reading those webpages you use! your soo closed mined that you refuse to read them and doubt everything shown to you!... Sorry whirly but I don't got any pics! why don't you find a pic of every one of those fights you posted as golden!.... Hypocrite!

Oh I do enjoy our little chats whirly!

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
hahaha Thats the best you got???

Doubting Whirly... 😆
Your best quote; "I never saw any horns.." 😂

I doubt any real Kung Fu masters have ever been on UFC... Just big guys who grapple you to a fence for 5mins!!!!

Calling me a lee fanboy???? Your only moot point has been that Ali won 58 matches... and thats flawed beyond belief!

You got shown that Lee trained against boxers... Mastered footwork, (Ali's best weapon) And has considerable strength for his size... Knew alot of the worlds different styles and combined them to create a style called JKD "the art of the intercepting fist" (theres a clue in the name somewhere)

And your rebuttal to all of this??? Show me a fight....

Lame!!!

Oh I do enjoy our little chats whirly!

Show me proof - movies and hearsay

show me a fight. You have shown nothing provable only hearsay. You've seen none of it.

We haven't chatted I've asked for something real and you have not delivered.

Enjoy your movies🙂

lol I have seen 2 bruce lee movies...

How many Ali fights have you seen??? You haven't proven anything... Only that Ali beat other boxers... Did he ever beat any other type of fighter?...

While I've shown many webpages discrediting your views... and for the final time...

BRUCE DIDN'T FIGHT IN PUBLIC.... He hasn't got many recorded fights.. But all marshal artist respect him, I wonder why????
Get a clue whirly. Your setting a dangerous double standard for yourself here!

I've closed your mouth with proof a couple of times now, only for you to ask for more know I don't have the resources....

You have proved nothing other then Ali was good against boxers... And we all knew that anyways!

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
lol I have seen 2 bruce lee movies...

How many Ali fights have you seen??? You haven't proven anything... Only that Ali beat other boxers... Did he ever beat any other type of fighter?...

While I've shown many webpages discrediting your views... and for the final time...

BRUCE DIDN'T FIGHT IN PUBLIC.... He hasn't got many recorded fights.. But all marshal artist respect him, I wonder why????
Get a clue whirly. Your setting a dangerous double standard for yourself here!

I've closed your mouth with proof a couple of times now, only for you to ask for more know I don't have the resources....

You have proved nothing other then Ali was good against boxers... And we all knew that anyways!

I have two Videos of Ali fights I have seen about 8.
Not all Marshal artists do.
And traditional Marshal arts are dying anyway.
He was at least in this correct and an innovator he did see the future, which in fact was the past and a throughback to Greek Pankrase.

Enjoy the one inch punch mate, try it on a boxer 🙂