Originally posted by -hh-
stick to Pride and K1, i have not been impressed by any UFC events since Chuck vs Randy 1.and by the way:
Pride next event fightcard thus far:
Fedor Emelianenko vs Mark Hunt.
and
Fedor Emelianenko vs Bruce Lee = Fedor via Murder round 1
With a kick so swift it's silent, Lee would send that dirty Russian flying back and knock the pierogi out of his mouth.
Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Ali wins. Why? Because we haven't seen any REAL feats from Lee. Ali has shown time and time again he can take a beating and come back with a vengeance.
Go watch Bruce Lee's older black and white tournament demos... He is shown in real time how fast his strikes are, and they are incredibly fast. He is also extremely strong for such a small man, 1 finger/1 arm push ups, curling 80lbs with one arm etc. The guy literally trained his skills and body since childhood obsessively. Anyone that trained under Lee(some famous), have repeatedly said that getting hit by Lee was like getting hit by a hammer because of the speed and strength combination he could pull off.
I'm not saying he is the end all be all too fighters mind you, but to dismiss his incredible skills because he was also an actor is simply a foolish error.
Originally posted by Robtard
Go watch Bruce Lee's older black and white tournament demos... He is shown in real time how fast his strikes are, and they are incredibly fast. He is also extremely strong for such a small man, 1 finger/1 arm push ups, curling 80lbs with one arm etc. The guy literally trained his skills and body since childhood obsessively. Anyone that trained under Lee(some famous), have repeatedly said that getting hit by Lee was like getting hit by a hammer because of the speed and strength combination he could pull off.I'm not saying he is the end all be all too fighters mind you, but to dismiss his incredible skills because he was also an actor is simply a foolish error.
Originally posted by Robtard
Go watch Bruce Lee's older black and white tournament demos... He is shown in real time how fast his strikes are, and they are incredibly fast. He is also extremely strong for such a small man, 1 finger/1 arm push ups, curling 80lbs with one arm etc. The guy literally trained his skills and body since childhood obsessively. Anyone that trained under Lee(some famous), have repeatedly said that getting hit by Lee was like getting hit by a hammer because of the speed and strength combination he could pull off.I'm not saying he is the end all be all too fighters mind you, but to dismiss his incredible skills because he was also an actor is simply a foolish error.
Let me ask you guys this. If there was an actor who played an incredible basketball player in many movies without actually playing any real games in the NBA or any other organization, would you consider him a great basketball player? We'll even assume this actor went to demos and did cool tricks with the ball, but he still never played an actual game.
Originally posted by StyleTime
I saw the [b]demos. It's not hard to do what he did when the "opponent" is just standing there. The rest of his "feats" are just hearsay. He never fought anybody to back up any of his supposed martial knowledge. Also, the fightes he trained having nice things to say about him doesn't really amount to much. Most fighters are friendly and compliment each other all the time. Fedor said Crocop was his toughest opponent, but we've seen others give Fedor a harder fight.Let me ask you guys this. If there was an actor who played an incredible basketball player in many movies without actually playing any real games in the NBA or any other organization, would you consider him a great basketball player? We'll even assume this actor went to demos and did cool tricks with the ball, but he still never played an actual game. [/B]
Are you telling me anyone could strike as fast as Lee does in those demos? Anyone could do 1 finger push-ups? There is a lot of second hand reports about Lee's feats and I admit many of them sound like B.S. and probably are. But, many people vouch to have witnessed Lee in street fights, as back in the day, anyone who claimed they were the best or had the best style were challenged to prove it. It was a different time back then, there wasn't cable T.V. with fighting competitions like there is now.
But the facts remain, he did train rigorously his entire life, he developed his own fighting style and the live footage of his strength and speed is factual. Those do account for something.
Originally posted by RobtardLet me get my boots on the shits getting deep in here...
Are you telling me anyone could strike as fast as Lee does in those demos? Anyone could do 1 finger push-ups? There is a lot of second hand reports about Lee's feats and I admit many of them sound like B.S. and probably are. But, many people vouch to have witnessed Lee in street fights, as back in the day, anyone who claimed they were the best or had the best style were challenged to prove it. It was a different time back then, there wasn't cable T.V. with fighting competitions like there is now.But the facts remain, he did train rigorously his entire life, he developed his own fighting style and the live footage of his strength and speed is factual. Those do account for something.
You just admitted all of these "feats" is third hand information as far as street fights go 😆 that holds no water what so ever.. Kind of reminds me of the guys that claim they can bench 600 pounds yet nobody has ever seen them do it.. Its one thing to claim your something its another thing to do it There were tournaments back then not mma but many Kickboxing and even boxing matches hell he could have boxed ali back then yet some how we ever seen him step up there were just Demos of him kicking a bag etc.. 😂
Originally posted by chris_64256
Let me get my boots on the shits getting deep in here...You just admitted all of these "feats" is third hand information as far as street fights go 😆 that holds no water what so ever.. Kind of reminds me of the guys that claim they can bench 600 pounds yet nobody has ever seen them do it.. Its one thing to claim your something its another thing to do it There were tournaments back then not mma but many Kickboxing and even boxing matches hell he could have boxed ali back then yet some how we ever seen him step up there were just Demos of him kicking a bag etc.. 😂
Laugh it up big boy. You do realize that in the 50's, 60's and 70's people didn’t generally videotape street-fights or private fights right? As far as boxing Ali or stepping up to fight professional fights, why would he? He wasn't a professional competitor (he made his money training and then with acting).
But you go on ignoring what little footage there is and what can be seen in it, a lifetime commitment to training, testimony from many varied sources confirming the same exact thing and the fact that he was an innovator in the field of MMA. He was doing 35 years ago what top MMA fighters do today, mixing boxing, traditional martial arts and grappling into one unorthodox fighting style. But yea, he was just an actor… Oh, I said second hand, not "third"...
Originally posted by Robtard
Are you telling me anyone could strike as fast as Lee does in those demos? Anyone could do 1 finger push-ups? There is a lot of second hand reports about Lee's feats and I admit many of them sound like B.S. and probably are. But, many people vouch to have witnessed Lee in street fights, as back in the day, anyone who claimed they were the best or had the best style were challenged to prove it. It was a different time back then, there wasn't cable T.V. with fighting competitions like there is now.But the facts remain, he did train rigorously his entire life, he developed his own fighting style and the live footage of his strength and speed is factual. Those do account for something.
I actually saw a guy recently who moved as quickly as Bruce did in the demos recently. I forgot his name but I'll see if I can find it. I understand fights were far less publicized, however they did exist. Like I said, there were great fighters during Bruce's time like Bill Wallace. It's strange that Bruce never once stepped up to fight any of the guys who were out there proving themselves. I just don't think it's fair for people to give all this respect to Lee because he made movies and overlook the guys that were out busting their asses in real fights.
It's not impossible that Bruce did at least some of his "feats" but it wouldn't really be fair to assume he could beat guys like Ali when he never demonstrated that he was capable of doing so.
Originally posted by Robtard
But you go on ignoring what little footage there is and what can be seen in it, a lifetime commitment to training, testimony from many varied sources confirming the same exact thing and the fact that he was an innovator in the field of MMA. He was doing 35 years ago what top MMA fighters do today, mixing boxing, traditional martial arts and grappling into one unorthodox fighting style. But yea, he was just an actor… Oh, I said second hand, not "third"...
I'll go with Ed Parker, just to be different. I think that both men even trained with him at different times.
Did anyone see the "Science of Fighting" on the Science channel a couple of months ago?
Boxing was the most powerful punch, Muy Thai had the most powerful kick, I think it was kung fu that landed the most strikes in a second. Then the rest of the show went into weapons.
Originally posted by RobtardLet me say this again Was YOU personally around in the 50's and 60's to see these "street fights" I'm going to say no so its once again second and Third hand Info passed down through generations where things get added like yeah it was 6 guys he took out shit like that.
Laugh it up big boy. You do realize that in the 50's, 60's and 70's people didn’t generally videotape street-fights or private fights right? As far as boxing Ali or stepping up to fight professional fights, why would he? He wasn't a professional competitor (he made his money training and then with acting).But you go on ignoring what little footage there is and what can be seen in it, a lifetime commitment to training, testimony from many varied sources confirming the same exact thing and the fact that he was an innovator in the field of MMA. He was doing 35 years ago what top MMA fighters do today, mixing boxing, traditional martial arts and grappling into one unorthodox fighting style. But yea, he was just an actor… Oh, I said second hand, not "third"...
2. My point about the tournaments If he was so superhuman ect. Why not show it? Because its bullshit used to hype up those horrible movies.. There were many tournaments to showcase his fighting skills what do we get Demos in a controlled atmosphere excuse me but If I could Quote the man himself " Boards dont hit back".. Even his demos were not recorded so most of that shit is bogus..
3. He did not innovate anything he brought it over here and then added our boxing and grappling...
You have to look at this with common sense 98% of bruce lee is a myth no proof just word of mouth I'm sorry but that's not good enough for me he wasnt around in the 1880's he lived in a era where things could have been documented through video tournaments yet there is no proof just movies a few demo's in a controlled atmosphere and people claiming things for him that's it just Hype..
Originally posted by chris_64256
Let me say this again Was YOU personally around in the 50's and 60's to see these "street fights" I'm going to say no so its once again second and Third hand Info passed down through generations where things get added like yeah it was 6 guys he took out shit like that.2. My point about the tournaments If he was so superhuman ect. Why not show it? Because its bullshit used to hype up those horrible movies.. There were many tournaments to showcase his fighting skills what do we get Demos in a controlled atmosphere excuse me but If I could Quote the man himself " Boards dont hit back".. Even his demos were not recorded so most of that shit is bogus..
3. He did not innovate anything he brought it over here and then added our boxing and grappling...
You have to look at this with common sense 98% of bruce lee is a myth no proof just word of mouth I'm sorry but that's not good enough for me he wasnt around in the 1880's he lived in a era where things could have been documented through video tournaments yet there is no proof just movies a few demo's in a controlled atmosphere and people claiming things for him that's it just Hype..
1) No, I was not around... The evidence isn't just one guy saying one thing, many people have corroborated these "myths". While it is possible they are all lying, but not probable.
2) I never said he was "superhuman", my argument is that Lee being an actor besides being a martial artist is not a valid reason to dismiss him as 100% fake.
3) Let's see... He broke any from centuries old traditions, mixed styles when mixing styles was taboo in his culture, and developed his own fighting system which advocated the lack of "styles". I think that is innovative.
You have to use some common sense yourself. As far as your quote, read up a little on Bruce Lee, he was an advocate of training/sparring with people in lieu of dummies or just striking into empty air.
I remember reading somewhere that boxers have more powerful punches, kungfu style martial artists have better kicks, and most other martial artists are just well-rounded individuals.
So really this all depended on who go in the first hit. But sense Bruce Lee is faster then Ali, I'd assume he'd be able to dodge a direct punch then do a spin kick to his jaw, subdued from the pain, Lee could then do a hand strike to his gut, hitting his manipura chakra and causing Ali to pukeup blood for the next week.
But if Bruce Lee so much as makes a wrong move, gets an unlucky cramping, or gets careless. Ali will not hesitate to lunk him in the head leaving Lee a squash. (Yellow vegetable, yes it was wrong, but it made me laugh..)
Thus:
Bruce Lee wins 3/4 times.
Originally posted by Green Arrow
I remember reading somewhere that boxers have more powerful punches, kungfu style martial artists have better kicks, and most other martial artists are just well-rounded individuals.So really this all depended on who go in the first hit. But sense Bruce Lee is faster then Ali, I'd assume he'd be able to dodge a direct punch then do a spin kick to his jaw, subdued from the pain, Lee could then do a hand strike to his gut, hitting his manipura chakra and causing Ali to pukeup blood for the next week.
But if Bruce Lee so much as makes a wrong move, gets an unlucky cramping, or gets careless. Ali will not hesitate to lunk him in the head leaving Lee a squash. (Yellow vegetable, yes it was wrong, but it made me laugh..)
Thus:
Bruce Lee wins 3/4 times.
Thus Ali, wins....everytime.