Muhammad Ali or Bruce Lee?

Originally posted by mr.smiley
whirly whats up?

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Originally posted by Deathstroke
I used to think Bruce Lee was one of the best fighters ever and could do crazy impossible stuff, but the I realized most of it was BS. Ali beats him like a child.

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Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Yup. 7 times out ten, anyhow..... 😛

Only 7 out of 10 Sadako?

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Can Cassius Clay do a one finger push up? No... Bruce Lee kicks (literally) his ass.

Seriously now though, while some will argue that Ali is a "real" fighter while dismissing Lee because he is an actor, you need to remember, he wasn't always an actor and he has/had many real fights under his belt. Ali is a great fighter no doubt, but he is strictly a boxer (striker) and one dimensional fighters almost always get beat when facing opponents that have a combination (look at current MMA fights) of striking, grappling and striking with more than just fist. Ali would go down like a worn out whore more times than not.

I love them both.
But Ali wins after a hard long fight.
Bruce is a bit faster but Ali has weight and it's a very big advantage.

Originally posted by Robtard
Can Cassius Clay do a one finger push up? No... Bruce Lee kicks (literally) his ass.

Seriously now though, while some will argue that Ali is a "real" fighter while dismissing Lee because he is an actor, you need to remember, he wasn't always an actor and he has/had many real fights under his belt. Ali is a great fighter no doubt, but he is strictly a boxer (striker) and one dimensional fighters almost always get beat when facing opponents that have a combination (look at current MMA fights) of striking, grappling and striking with more than just fist. Ali would go down like a worn out whore more times than not.

Indeed.

Originally posted by Sam Z
I love them both.
But Ali wins after a hard long fight.
Bruce is a bit faster but Ali has weight and it's a very big advantage.

Bruce would never let that happen. He would easily deduce Ali's strengths and make it a point to take that out of the equation. After a series of missed punches by Ali resulting in fatigue from throwing many missed jabs and bombs, Bruce picks him apart little by little.

One thing is for certain Ali was not only a great fighter but a superb athlete, lets not think for a second that Ali just because he is bigger is going to be wasting his energy and going to fatigue quickly.

Originally posted by Soleran
One thing is for certain Ali was not only a great fighter but a superb athlete, lets not think for a second that Ali just because he is bigger is going to be wasting his energy and going to fatigue quickly.

Yes, I don't want to make it sound like this will be a 10 second fight. It would definitely take a while. But, Bruce takes 95/100 of these fights; nor is that a knock on Ali.

Originally posted by BobbyD
Bruce would never let that happen. He would easily deduce Ali's strengths and make it a point to take that out of the equation. After a series of missed punches by Ali resulting in fatigue from throwing many missed jabs and bombs, Bruce picks him apart little by little.

Ali has speed close to Bruce. And his attacks are way more powerful because of his weight. Besides Bruce wouldn't use kicks too often in a street fight because it'd take a lot of energy and he'd need it because of Ali's endurance. Seriously, i think there aren't many people who could beat Bruce 1 on 1, but Ali is one of them.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Ali has speed close to Bruce. And his attacks are way more powerful because of his weight. Besides Bruce wouldn't use kicks too often in a street fight because it'd take a lot of energy and he'd need it because of Ali's endurance. Seriously, i think there aren't many people who could beat Bruce 1 on 1, but Ali is one of them.

I'd only take a few well placed kicks to the chest or face to make Ali or anyone for that matter go down. Go watch some ultimate fights, it's rare that fighters are able to get a solid connecting kick in, but when they do the fight is over.

I also disagree about not many people beating Bruce, todays top MMA fighters (Hughes, Liddell, Coutre, Ortiz etc.) could easily give Bruce a run for his money.

Originally posted by BobbyD
Nothing against "The Greatest", but Ali would get owned in this fight.

Boxers ALWAYS do poorly against a martial artist, and especially against a wrestler or art than involves grappling. Boxers, not kickboxers, are the most one dimensional of fighters around.

P.S. Bruce Lee admitted to boxing being far better than other striking styles and Jeet Kune Do is largely based on it.

Originally posted by Robtard
I also disagree about not many people beating Bruce, todays top MMA fighters (Hughes, Liddell, Coutre, Ortiz etc.) could easily give Bruce a run for his money.

You guys are forgetting that most anything about Bruce's fights are speculation. The guy was an actor. He had the proper notions about the future of fighting, but he doesn't have any real "feats" to back him up.

I really don't feel like going back through all this. The proof concerning the lies around Bruce was posted several pages back. Ali would beat him 10/10.

good question i have to say itll be a great fight but it depends. are we talking boxing or ufc style?

Originally posted by StyleTime
P.S. Bruce Lee admitted to boxing being far better than other striking styles and Jeet Kune Do is largely based on it.

Jeet Kune Do on the whole is based on Ving Tsun, Bruce Lee's first style. Other styles incorporated into it were only for specific things, i.e. wrestling for grappling, boxing for footwork, etc etc

You guys are forgetting that most anything about Bruce's fights are speculation. The guy was an actor. He had the proper notions about the future of fighting, but he doesn't have any real "feats" to back him up.

What? He had his own martial arts schools, and when he demonstrated in other schools to recruit, his sparring partners would often say that they couldn't see his kick at all, and being hit by it felt like getting hit by a truck.

I really don't feel like going back through all this. The proof concerning the lies around Bruce was posted several pages back. Ali would beat him 10/10.

Page # so I can see and I hope there are sources on there.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Boxing IS a martial art. All real fighters today crosstrain in boxing. It is the undisputed style for punching and footwork. Also, boxers generally tend to own most other martial artists. Boxing, along with kickboxing and Muay Thai, is in the top tier for striking.

P.S. Bruce Lee admitted to boxing being far better than other striking styles and Jeet Kune Do is largely based on it.

Those guys would completely curbstomp Lee.

You guys are forgetting that most anything about Bruce's fights are speculation. The guy was an actor. He had the proper notions about the future of fighting, but he doesn't have any real "feats" to back him up.

I really don't feel like going back through all this. The proof concerning the lies around Bruce was posted several pages back. Ali would beat him 10/10.

Lee was more than just an actor... He trained his whole, developed his own fighting style and was a teacher himself. Not saying he is the end all be all of fighters, but dismissing him because he was an actor is laughable. Would you dismiss Chuck Norris as being a 'two-bit' fighter because he was/is an actor too? Chuck also studied for most of his life and still is known mainly as being an actor.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Boxing IS a martial art. All real fighters today crosstrain in boxing. It is the undisputed style for punching and footwork. Also, boxers generally tend to own most other martial artists. Boxing, along with kickboxing and Muay Thai, is in the top tier for striking.

Originally posted by BobbyD
Where in here does it say however that Ali took up martial arts? Or that he is a fighter that crosstrained in boxing? He is a boxer, plain and simple. Now if there's evidence that suggest otherwise, I'd like to see it. But, if you want to call boxing a martial art, then this is purely semantics. 😬

boxing = martial arts

regardless I don't see this so one sided as many folks do with Bruce.

Also a great many of the UFC/Pride guys would destroy Bruce today.

Originally posted by Soleran
boxing = martial arts

regardless I don't see this so one sided as many folks do with Bruce.

Also a great many of the UFC/Pride guys would destroy Bruce today.

And what is your logic on that?

Originally posted by Mr. Sandman
And what is your logic on that?

regardless I don't see this so one sided as many folks do with Bruce.

Bruce pretty hard.
No offense to Ali, but seriously, he gets destroyed.

Originally posted by Mr. Sandman
Jeet Kune Do on the whole is based on Ving Tsun, Bruce Lee's first style. Other styles incorporated into it were only for specific things, i.e. wrestling for grappling, boxing for footwork, etc etc

Originally posted by Mr. Sandman
What? He had his own martial arts schools, and when he demonstrated in other schools to recruit, his sparring partners would often say that they couldn't see his kick at all, and being hit by it felt like getting hit by a truck.

Originally posted by Mr. Sandman
Page # so I can see and I hope there are sources on there.

Originally posted by Robtard
Lee was more than just an actor... He trained his whole, developed his own fighting style and was a teacher himself. Not saying he is the end all be all of fighters, but dismissing him because he was an actor is laughable. Would you dismiss Chuck Norris as being a 'two-bit' fighter because he was/is an actor too? Chuck also studied for most of his life and still is known mainly as being an actor.

Yes, great fighters can be actors like Benny Urquidez. However, people him actually have fights to back them up. Bruce doesn't.

If any of you believe Bruce could compete with the real fighters of his time, like Benny or Bill, you are sadly mistaken.

Originally posted by BobbyD
Where in here does it say however that Ali took up martial arts? Or that he is a fighter that crosstrained in boxing? He is a boxer, plain and simple. Now if there's evidence that suggest otherwise, I'd like to see it. But, if you want to call boxing a martial art, then this is purely semantics. 😬