Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Pretty ironic this needs debating considering the fact that Sith Order was begun, and restarted, many times by Dark Jedi.
I think claiming the name sith is generally viewed as 'graduating' from Dark Jedihood.
Like, when both DJ and Sith are around, the Sith draw a line between them.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Dark Jedi: Joruus C'baoth.
Nah, Kun's more powerful.
"Several of the chambers showed evidence that another had already been there, and Bane recalled the tales of Exar Kun, a Dark Jedi from a time long forgotten who was also rumored to have located Nadd's final resting place. According to the legends, Kun had emerged with power beyond his wildest imagining."
-- Darth Bane: Rule of Two
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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
DE says Sidious is a Dark Jedi, IIRC.
I believe that was because the concept of "Sith" hadn't been introduced yet. By RoT, "Sith" was a well-known and defined term, yet Kun was still listed as a "Dark Jedi".
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
....tbh.
I would argue C'baoth > Kun.
😬His mental feats and hype, are just that monumental.
His hype isn't better, lol, and his mental feats aren't all that much better than Kun easily hypnotizing the Senate.
Originally posted by Q99
I think claiming the name sith is generally viewed as 'graduating' from Dark Jedihood.Like, when both DJ and Sith are around, the Sith draw a line between them.
Yeah, Dark Jedi are darksiders who aren't affiliated with any other organisation like the Sith.
The wookieepedia page has some quotes that make this clear.
Originally posted by SunRazer
His hype isn't better, lol, and his mental feats aren't all that much better than Kun easily hypnotizing the Senate.
Never said it was per-say better, than Kun's - nice strawman argument, though.
And nah. The hypnosis feat is ambiguous on how it was achieved (like wheather Kun prepped for it, or nah) and is noticible inferior to mentally dominating 40,000 on the fly, or passivley elicitating a haze of drowsiness and fatigue on a Jedi as mentally powerul as Luke Skywalker, or communicating with two other thousand man task force 4 light-years away, while simultaneously utilizing Battle Meditation to raise the effectiveness Chimaera's 40,000 man crew by 40% in every statistical category, or sensing Liea's presence lightyears away, while simultaneously controlling ten 1,000 man dreadnoughts with split second timing; broke off the attack, and pursued her, or a plethora of other showings of mass total mental domination - really, Kun doesn't compare.
And really, this isn't really worth debating in this thread, as Kun isn't a Dark Jedi. Lets not trail Off-topic. You can make a Kun vs Joruus thread for us to discuss it there if you like. But we're not cluttering up the thread here.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah, Dark Jedi are darksiders who aren't affiliated with any other organisation like the Sith.The wookieepedia page has some quotes that make this clear.
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According to wookieepedia Dark Jedi refers to every dark sider...
"'We avoid [Dark Jedi] when we can. Dark Jedi definition still refers to any dark side user.'
―Leland Chee
'A dark Jedi is anyone who practices the dark side of the Force whether or not they were a former Jedi.'
―Leland Chee"
Anyway, the term has always been used in different ways either referring to fallen Jedi, dark siders that weren't Sith, or just dark siders in general.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Never said it was per-say better, than Kun's - nice strawman argument, though.And nah. The hypnosis feat is ambiguous on how it was achieved (like wheather Kun prepped for it, or nah) and is noticible inferior to mentally dominating 40,000 on the fly, or passivley elicitating a haze of drowsiness and fatigue on a Jedi as mentally powerul as Luke Skywalker, or communicating with two other thousand man task force 4 light-years away, while simultaneously utilizing Battle Meditation to raise the effectiveness Chimaera's 40,000 man crew by 40% in every statistical category, or sensing Liea's presence lightyears away, while simultaneously controlling ten 1,000 man dreadnoughts with split second timing; broke off the attack, and pursued her, or a plethora of other showings of mass total mental domination - really, Kun doesn't compare.
And really, this isn't really worth debating in this thread, as Kun isn't a Dark Jedi. Lets not trail Off-topic. You can make a Kun vs Joruus thread for us to discuss it there if you like. But we're not cluttering up the thread here.
1. lol, yes you did. You said you'd argue C'baoth is better on the basis of his hype and mental feats - anybody with a brain can deduce what that means. If you're arguing for his superiority based on other elements, then you're the one who made a strawman and a red herring. lol @ you saying something and then being unable to support it, hence your running away.
2. Even if it was prepped (which you'll have to provide a stronger case for than "it's ambiguous and could've happened"😉, the ease with which it was accomplished makes it rival all the feats you listed. I'll try and find a number for the amount of people in the Senate. Also, Kun was sensing Ulic's presence as a threat light years away as well, and that was long before his own prime.
3. We're not cluttering anything, and this isn't going off-topic. We're discussing who is the most powerful Dark Jedi, which is totally relevant to this thread.
1) Nah. I meant his hype in conjunction with his mental feats, LAWL. If anything, I meant they're on even playing fields - with his mental showing giving him the edge. Being a threat to the entire Empire and easily a Darth Vader (which indicates he was possibly higher) level threat, puts him on an even playing field with Kun.
Just as an add-on you of all people shouldn't be commenting on someone running away from debates, given you have time to trade post with me, but scared shitless of debating Ant because it won't go well for you. So much for retiring, ehh?
Get Nova some tissue, because he's so full of shit right now. 🙂
2) Joruus was actively controlling thousands simultaneously while mutil-tasking with split second timing, it is a superior showing of mental ability because he was performing multiple duties thus, splitting his power and concentration.
But, If you want so say that because Kun performed the showing with such ease it's comparable to C'baoth, I can easily say Joruus himself has mentally held the populace on Jomark under his command, and that must have surely been thousands of people - which was - before he gained a noticeable amount of power in The Last Command. So even then, Kun is seeing C'baoth in terms of telepathic adroitness. Not to mention, C'baoth has superior range, versatility, and the power to casually effect strong minded Force sensitives on Luke's tier and not just Senate fodder with it.
Also, C'baoth sensed Leia while controlling a dick ton of people and doing several task simultaneously; I don't care if Exar was before his prime, C'baoth's feat is superior.
3) Yeah, it is Off-Topic because Kun isn't a Dark Jedi, so arguing him and Joruus doesn't prove anything at all. Give me an actual Dark Jedi to argue against C'baoth, and then I'll debate it.
1. lol, and Kun's superiority in a range of other areas gives him the edge over the old man. Your point?
There's nothing wrong with debating Ant, lol. I could actually start the debate at any time, I just don't have the time to be trading the inevitable page-long walls of text (which I'll need to debate with somebody as stubborn as Ant) back and forth. This is the most I can do, basically. And the match-up goes really well for me, in fact. It's laughable that you of all people attack me for not finishing the CaV given your notoriety for failing to post in CaV's after your routine taunts. So:
"Hello, kettle? It's DC. You're black."
Seriously, though, you don't get to complain about other people not finishing CaV's, lmfao. I'm still waiting on the Gethzerion vs C'baoth CaV we had over a year ago. All I said was that you couldn't support your point so you ran.
Also, I said I'm contemplating retirement on CV but I'm still posting around. Please stop getting pissed like you did on CV. The amount of beef you have with me is laughable.
2. I don't really care for any of that. Joruus's TP is better, but not substantially, which doesn't make up for all the other areas Kun exceeds the old man in. I'm not debating this further, lol, you can take it up to ILS for elaboration on Kun's feats if you want. It's as clear as crystal, though. Before you accuse me of failing to support my point, nah, it's pretty obvious, and I just don't have the time to go in depth. But Kun's superiority to the likes of Muur, Ragnos and Nadd put him above C'baoth, pretty clearly.
3. RoT disagrees, lol.