NJO Luke Skywalker vs. Darth Revan

Originally posted by Darth L. Dipsit
No offense, man, but you did your math wrong. Since, with the information used, he studied 730 hours per day and he can read one page per half-minute, you must first find out how many pages he can read per day. This can be done by converting 30 seconds to 24 hours, like so:

30sec x 1min/60sec = 0.5min
0.5min x 1hr/60min = (1/120)hr
(1/120)hr x 1day/20hr = (1/2,400)day

Since the inverse of 1/2,400 is 2,400, Revan, according to you, could read 2,400 pages per day. NOW you can multiply that by the number of days per year. Also, if he studied 20 hours per day, then he would study 20hrs/day x 365.25days/year, which is 7,305 hours per year rather than 730 hours per year.

Anyway, taking the figure of 2,400 pages per day, one can convert this to years thus:

2,400pg/day x 365.25day/yr = 856,600pg/yr.

Thus, he can read 856,600 pages per year. But what does that prove? How is the number of pages one can read really relevant, unless each and every page contributes to Revan's knowledge of the Force in some at least slightly significant way (although some pages could teach Revan more than others)? The scenario also seems maybe slightly weird (reading non-stop 20 hours per day).

REGARDLESS, there are ONLY 365.25 days (accounting for leapyear, once every four years) per EARTH YEAR. That is, the time it takes for the EARTH to revolve around our sun. Also, there are 24 hours per EARTH DAY, or the time it takes for the Earth to make a rotation. A year or day on another planet in another galaxy could be invariably different.

I didn't mean to be nit-picky. I just couldn't pass this post without making some corrections. I mean, calculus and physics technical studies are a couple things I do like (early grad theoretical physics major).

No offense, but in either case it doesn't really matter since we have no idea how long he studied. 🙂

Originally posted by HimoKun
Dipsit, just go with it. We have no other time basis, so we are basing it off of Earth's time.

Yeah, sorry about that. You are right. I definitely shouldn't make an ass of myself by getting TOO nitpicky. Thanks for the wake up call, sir. I hope you can forget my asinine display. Sometimes I don't think enough.

Also, I just saw Revan's post, and I am well aware that the numbers are meaningless and all based on speculation. I just can't let incorrect mathematics conversions and calculations go. In retrospect, maybe that WAS a bad idea on my part to post that. Also, no offense to Glentract. Really. I've made an ass of myself. I hope you'll forgive me.

I'll forgive you in hell! Nah, I'm just kidding. IT's fine. I probably shouldn't have ben trying to do math in my head at that moment seeing as I have gotten about 10 hours of sleep total over the last six days. I'm just a little tired. I'm not going to go to sleep until at least 11 though to keep my sleep cycle up. Who knows, I might not even get to sleep tonight.(Like the last to days.)

The whole point of it was I was trying to show about how much Revan knows, or at least could possibly know in the amout of time that he studied.

Oh, of course. It's all in the name of Star Wars.

Peace, friend.

lol

C'mon Luke Skywalker learned a Force Power that didn't even exist in Revan's time. So if Luke used his unknown power, Revan would be stupefied and die.

Originally posted by Emperor Revan
1.Someone said Revan only had 3 years to learn about the Sith or something like that. First, he spent many many years learning about the Jedi. He found Malachor V around the start of the mandalorian wars which lasted 3 years. The official KOTOR 2 website says Malachor V is a planet sized Sith storehouse of knowledge. Revan made a base there, studied the holocrons, relics, artifacts etc. learning how to defeat Jedi, how to convert them etc. and the official site says it increased his tremendous power. Remember that he was the only one to fully resist the evil of this planet as well, not even Kreia could do it. He also visited it after killing Malak at least once.

Well...I think I was the one to say that he had only 3 years to learn about the Sith. I thought he discovered Malachor V at the end of the Mandalorian wars so I was wrong here. Does that realy matter ?

If he discovered Malachor V at the beginning of the Mandalorian Wars he has:
3 years during the Mandalorian War
1 year after it
2 years during the Jedi Civil War
= 6 years to learn.
But he has to command some armies there. He has to think about the battles (at least - even as a tactical genious - you have to think about what you want to do next). And he must have done some fighting on his own since he must have developed his lightsaber skills somewhere.
Lets say he had an average time of 10 hrs per day studying and that is much keeping in mind what other things he did during that time period. According to Dipsits calculation this would be 428,300 pages a year or 2,569,800 pages in 6 years. That are tons of knowledge. BUT

- he had to learn from Holocrons / Sith spirits a lot and since they speak this would take more time than reading through a book. I personally know nobody that can speak the text displayed on one side of a book in 30 seconds.
- he had to exercize what he learned. If it comes to force powers or lightsaber combat he has to do that. I would like to compare this with somebody trying to learn martial arts from a book. You read a description (for example of a single Kung Fu kick), you have to understand that and than you have to go and practice it. At least you would need some hours to figure things out...

We realy can't tell how much Revan could have learned in that 6 years but I would hardly doubt that he could have learned as much as people like Ragnos, Sadow or even Sidious since they all studied that things for their entire lifes. That would be 40,50 or (Sidous) 90 years of studying. And yes...Luke had only 20 years of time...but why people always say he had less informations ? He had:

- everything that Sidous had
- the archieves that were onboard of the Cu'unthor (mobile Jedi Academy)
- everything that could be found in the ancient Sith ruins on Yavin 4 (a place where Sith Lords like Naga Sadow, Exar Kun and Freedon Nadd had spent some time of their lifes)

I don't want to say that Luke has equal knowledge compared with Revan. I just wanted to point out that some people here are overrating Revans amount of knowledge here.

2.He killed hundreds of mandalorians, Jedi, and Sith. Kreia said “even then you could see the Jedi he would slay etched on his soul.” With wars that last 8 years in total he would’ve done a ton of fighting no matter what.

Oh well...we could go on and do body counting here. What do you think how many people Luke killed by destroying the first Death Star alone ? Well...ok...let us just take a look on "direct" combat:

- directly after the destruction of the first Death Star, Luke travelled around to find a new planet for the Rebellion. While doing that he confronted cutthroat pirates and bandits on the planet Drexel
- guided by Obi-Wan he fought Vader for the first time and managed to cut Vaders mechanical arm off (pre ESB so with NO training)
- he killed several Black Sun assassins that were trying to kill him and he was able to escape from the Black Suns HQ almost alone.
- that are 4 years of fighting against the Galactic Empire only
- he managed to defeat Joruus C'Baoth and his own clone. Fighting yourself is hell.
- he singlehandly killed thousands of Yuuzhan Vong who were the biggest threat to the galaxy ever (their invasion killed 365 trillion people)

Meanwhile he was involved in some conflicts like the Truce at Bakura, the Bacta War, the Trawn crises, the Black Fleet crises as well as in the fights against the Dark Empire, the Second Empire, the Diversity Alliance and at least against the Yuuzhan Vong (that last conflict did go on from 25-30 ABY, 5 years).

So I hardly doubt that Revan did that much more fighting than Luke did. Yes. Revan did it against people with lightsabers and force powers. Does that count so much when you keep in mind what people like Boba/Jango Fett could do without lightsabers and without the force ?

3.In response to what Glentract said, have we as a race gotten weaker? No, but they were far more advanced 5000 years ago then we are now. I personally don’t think tons of knowledge was lost etc. I do believe most force users of the KOTOR time period were generally stronger than TPM Jedi because they have fought way more. Look at how much stronger we see Obi-Wan get from TPM to AOTC. Not much I thought. Now compare it to him in AOTC and ROTS. Imo he got WAY stronger, as did Anakin because they were constantly fighting in a war.

So...does that more count for Revan who was in combat for 8 years or for Luke who was in combat for almost 30 years ? Just see how much stronger Luke became between ESB and ROTJ (half year) and than image how much stronger another 25 years filled with normal confrontations and 5 years against the Yuuzhan Vong would have made him.

6.It does NOT take 10 years to learn 1 force form. Anakin mastered Form 1, Form 5, and possibly others by ROTS and he only had 13 years of training.

The only people known to have mastered a lightsaber form in RotS era are Kit Fisto (form I), Dooku (form II), Yoda (form IV), Mace (form VII + Vaapad) and Obi-Wan (form III). I don't think Anakin mastered any form during that time. With form V mastery he should have killed Obi-Wan during their lightsaber battle.

7.Revan was just as level headed as Luke if not more so. Darth Revan experienced both sides of the Force twice each and uses both sides as well. Luke may have a better understanding of the Light side, but that wouldn’t be by a whole lot and Revan had WAY more dark side knowledge then Luke. As for potential, both Lord Revan and Luke had amazing potential, it’s hard to say who had more.

According to Luke there is no Dark Side or Light Side just the Force itself. Thinking of this you can say that Luke studied no "side" he studied the force. That actually is the thing that leads me to the conclusion that Luke will win here. Advanced philosophy. According to Sith philosophy you have to rely on your emotions to use certain powers. Take a look at Palpatine during RotS or RotJ when he uses force lightning. He is total giving into his hatred and becomes vunerable what actually alows Vader to kill him.
And that is the point. Luke could use all powers without giving into his emotions while Revan would need to do so for using his DS powers and thereby it will be harder for him to get the control back if he needs some LS abilities (that actually matches the KOTOR game physics where you need more power to use abilities that are from the opposite side of the force).

1. fair enough

2. If you're going to count Luke's kills I will have to count Revan's. He was always a fighter, leading the Republic in front charges against the Mandalorians. He probably killed thousands but since we don't know I will even be nice and say 3 hundred including Mandalore himself which even HK-47 could not destroy. I also heard somewhere he waged war against the echani but I'm not 100% sure on that even though he killed the strongest echani warrior. These fighters are far stronger than most, save for yuuzhan vong, and force users. Now, the Jedi civil war in which he trains people to convert and kill Jedi just like he does himself. Now, he probably killed 200 jedi or more, and let's say 2,000 Republic soldiers.

As for KOTOR, he kills an entire Republic ship of Sith soldiers, an entire military base, a powerful street gang, and a big time exchange boss and his headquarters not to mention one of the best bounty hunters in the galaxy, all WITHOUT the Force. Over the course of the game he later kills about 40 mandalorians, a hundred sand people, a Sith embassy, a station full of insane beasts, several wookies, an entire academy for Sith warriors, a capital sized ship of Sith soldiers and dark Jedi, a temple full of dark Jedi, then hundreds of dark Jedi and assassin droids in the Star Forge. Then there's the powerful opponents he's defeated, Darth Malak twice in a row, Darth Bandon, Bastila, Malak's 3 strongest Dark Jedi, Calo Nord, Mandalore, and Yusanis. I'm not even counting him going off to single-handedly fight the ancient Sith empire.

3. Was Luke fighting in single combat as much as Lord Revan? I don't think so since he initially used the light side of the Force and avoided conflicts as much as possible. Not to mention most of his opponents are weaker than Revan's opponents until the Yuuzhan Vong. I would say they are equal on experience.

6. In the novel, Dooku says that Anakin was a good master of Form 5.

7. Darth Revan isn't totally evil. Some speculate all of his actions were actually to help the Republic whether dark side or not. He could control the dark side without giving in to basic emotions, he is most likely at a little below neutral. Revan is perhaps the most logical person in the star wars universe, he wouldn't let petty emotions enter the fight unless they were usefull and he wouldn't let arrogance cloud his judgement. And Since the Dark side is stronger, I think Revan has the advantage here.

Originally posted by Nai Fohl
Well...I think I was the one to say that he had only 3 years to learn about the Sith. I thought he discovered Malachor V at the end of the Mandalorian wars so I was wrong here. Does that realy matter ?

If he discovered Malachor V at the beginning of the Mandalorian Wars he has:
3 years during the Mandalorian War
1 year after it
2 years during the Jedi Civil War
= 6 years to learn.
But he has to command some armies there. He has to think about the battles (at least - even as a tactical genious - you have to think about what you want to do next). And he must have done some fighting on his own since he must have developed his lightsaber skills somewhere.
Lets say he had an average time of 10 hrs per day studying and that is much keeping in mind what other things he did during that time period. According to Dipsits calculation this would be 428,300 pages a year or 2,569,800 pages in 6 years. That are tons of knowledge. BUT

- he had to learn from Holocrons / Sith spirits a lot and since they speak this would take more time than reading through a book. I personally know nobody that can speak the text displayed on one side of a book in 30 seconds.
- he had to exercize what he learned. If it comes to force powers or lightsaber combat he has to do that. I would like to compare this with somebody trying to learn martial arts from a book. You read a description (for example of a single Kung Fu kick), you have to understand that and than you have to go and practice it. At least you would need some hours to figure things out...

We realy can't tell how much Revan could have learned in that 6 years but I would hardly doubt that he could have learned as much as people like Ragnos, Sadow or even Sidious since they all studied that things for their entire lifes. That would be 40,50 or (Sidous) 90 years of studying. And yes...Luke had only 20 years of time...but why people always say he had less informations ? He had:

- everything that Sidous had
- the archieves that were onboard of the Cu'unthor (mobile Jedi Academy)
- everything that could be found in the ancient Sith ruins on Yavin 4 (a place where Sith Lords like Naga Sadow, Exar Kun and Freedon Nadd had spent some time of their lifes)

I don't want to say that Luke has equal knowledge compared with Revan. I just wanted to point out that some people here are overrating Revans amount of knowledge here.

Oh well...we could go on and do body counting here. What do you think how many people Luke killed by destroying the first Death Star alone ? Well...ok...let us just take a look on "direct" combat:

- directly after the destruction of the first Death Star, Luke travelled around to find a new planet for the Rebellion. While doing that he confronted cutthroat pirates and bandits on the planet Drexel
- guided by Obi-Wan he fought Vader for the first time and managed to cut Vaders mechanical arm off (pre ESB so with NO training)
- he killed several Black Sun assassins that were trying to kill him and he was able to escape from the Black Suns HQ almost alone.
- that are 4 years of fighting against the Galactic Empire only
- he managed to defeat Joruus C'Baoth and his own clone. Fighting yourself is hell.
- he singlehandly killed thousands of Yuuzhan Vong who were the biggest threat to the galaxy ever (their invasion killed 365 trillion people)

Meanwhile he was involved in some conflicts like the Truce at Bakura, the Bacta War, the Trawn crises, the Black Fleet crises as well as in the fights against the Dark Empire, the Second Empire, the Diversity Alliance and at least against the Yuuzhan Vong (that last conflict did go on from 25-30 ABY, 5 years).

So I hardly doubt that Revan did that much more fighting than Luke did. Yes. Revan did it against people with lightsabers and force powers. Does that count so much when you keep in mind what people like Boba/Jango Fett could do without lightsabers and without the force ?

So...does that more count for Revan who was in combat for 8 years or for Luke who was in combat for almost 30 years ? Just see how much stronger Luke became between ESB and ROTJ (half year) and than image how much stronger another 25 years filled with normal confrontations and 5 years against the Yuuzhan Vong would have made him.

The only people known to have mastered a lightsaber form in RotS era are Kit Fisto (form I), Dooku (form II), Yoda (form IV), Mace (form VII + Vaapad) and Obi-Wan (form III). I don't think Anakin mastered any form during that time. With form V mastery he should have killed Obi-Wan during their lightsaber battle.

According to Luke there is no Dark Side or Light Side just the Force itself. Thinking of this you can say that Luke studied no "side" he studied the force. That actually is the thing that leads me to the conclusion that Luke will win here. Advanced philosophy. According to Sith philosophy you have to rely on your emotions to use certain powers. Take a look at Palpatine during RotS or RotJ when he uses force lightning. He is total giving into his hatred and becomes vunerable what actually alows Vader to kill him.
And that is the point. Luke could use all powers without giving into his emotions while Revan would need to do so for using his DS powers and thereby it will be harder for him to get the control back if he needs some LS abilities (that actually matches the KOTOR game physics where you need more power to use abilities that are from the opposite side of the force).

No, no, no, no, no. To become a master, you have to master a lightsaber form. There was 12 Jedi on the High Council and there tons of other Jedi Masters.

Yes, it does count if Revan killed people with lightsabers. There's a huge difference in fighting people with lightsabers compared to fighting someone with blaster. Revan had more experience fighting other llighsaber wielders. I think we can agree on that. And Boba and Fett killed weak Jedi. Just look at what happened when they fought good Jedi. (Boba got owned by Luke, Jango got owned by Mace).

And there is no light side or dark side, that is completely irrelevant. Why? Because it contradicts with the whole idea of Star Wars. There IS a Light Side and Dark Side. George Lucas, the God of Star Wars so to speak, whole idea of Star Wars is that there is white hats and black hats; good and bad. That's why you can't use anything like that in a argument about Star Wars. And Revan was not fueled by emotion by so many Sith before him and after him. He was probably the only non true Sith Sith that did not use emotions.

To close this argument about who did what, in the world of Star Wars, if two remotely close force users face each other, it will not be decided by force powers, but by a lightsaber duel. So in this fight, since we don't know what fighting style Revan exactly used, but from my knowledge of Sith, I believe he would be suing hte ancient Sith technique Dun Moch, which is taunting your opponent.

I believe with that technique, Luke would have a hard time fighting Revan if Revan knew of Luke's past. Now, since I have no clue what Luke uses as a form, (I lean towards form 1) I cannot argue about a lightsaber duel. So if someone could figure out what the two used as a lightsaber form, it would probably settle this.

Lightsaber form? From what we saw in both Kotor I and II Revan doesn't use an existing form... He probably made his own, which is not really surprising with all the studying he did, with Tulak Hord his Holocron he probably invented one he found was perfect for him. Seems like something he would do.

About Luke I have no idea, his form sucked in ROTJ but he has of course heavily improved, still I think his form is pretty basic because he had no real masters to learn it from and it would focus more on defending from and attacking people with blasters then people with lightsabers, seeing as he didn't face them as much.

Originally posted by Darth Plagues
Revan would be stupefied and die.

You're too naive. Revan kills "overdrugged" Luke, who's Walkin' the Skies in couple of seconds. I think that Revan has a LOT more experience, knowledge, power, strength... e.t. c. Just play SW KOTOR II to the end and see how Darth Traya is watching the galaxy through her force prism. With much wisdom she speaks! And IMAGINE that she was Revan's master who bypassed her in ALL matters. Like the "nederlander" said: "Just watch the movies!" Confirm the fighting styles of the first trilogy and the second. In the 1st one they're figthin' like kids.

I think such debates about VS (versus) themes are only to see our forummate opinions. Because only the scenario editors and our beloven GEORGE will decide who is who...

Wow, what a heated discussion.....

Thank you emeperor revan for showing what a load of bs this luke killed more in one fight than revan ever did nonsense revan was a frontline solidier a field commander if you will during kotor he anhilated anything that got in his way as well as everyone he fought during the mandalorian wars and the jedi civil war that definitly makes thousands. But on that opic who cares how many they killed? It doesn't matter if i killed 10 guys and i fought a guy whop killed 20 it wouldn't have much bearing except the fact that with all the wars revan was part of he was able to put his far superior knowledge of force and lightsaber powers to use and unlike luke he never ever was beaten in combat.

More importantly he faced a lot of Jedi and Dark Jedi powerful one's that wanted to kill him more then anything else... Luke didn't. Giving Revan a hudge edge becuase he has a lot more experience with fighting other people with a lightsaber

The Yuuzhan Vong used melee weapons, amphistaffs. It's kind'ove like in real life, fighting someone who has a katana or a wakizashi(?) if still sword fighting and you will gain experince from it.

Fishy, you sound like the Yuuzhan Vong didn't want to kill Luke as much as the Dark Jedi wanted to kill Revan. Let me tell you, they did. They considered Luke to be an abomination because of his metal society.
They really wanted to kill Luke.

Originally posted by HimoKun
No, no, no, no, no. To become a master, you have to master a lightsaber form. There was 12 Jedi on the High Council and there tons of other Jedi Masters.

Who says so ? I never saw an information that says so. Becoming a Jedi Master / Council member is a question of experience with the force not a question of experience with a lightsaber.

Yes, it does count if Revan killed people with lightsabers. There's a huge difference in fighting people with lightsabers compared to fighting someone with blaster. Revan had more experience fighting other llighsaber wielders. I think we can agree on that. And Boba and Fett killed weak Jedi. Just look at what happened when they fought good Jedi. (Boba got owned by Luke, Jango got owned by Mace).

I'm not talking about "people with a blaster"...people with melee weapons. And I won't question that Revan had more experience in lightsaber vs lightsaber combat. I'm just saying that he hadn't that much more combat experience than Luke when you keep in mind how many times Luke was involved in battles.

And there is no light side or dark side, that is completely irrelevant. Why? Because it contradicts with the whole idea of Star Wars. There IS a Light Side and Dark Side. George Lucas, the God of Star Wars so to speak, whole idea of Star Wars is that there is white hats and black hats; good and bad. That's why you can't use anything like that in a argument about Star Wars. And Revan was not fueled by emotion by so many Sith before him and after him. He was probably the only non true Sith Sith that did not use emotions.

Oh realy. That is the whole idea of Star Wars ? Black and white ? Good and evil ? I think you should watch those movies again or just ask George Lucas for his oppinion on that point. Except Yoda and Sidious I never saw somebody just being "good" or "evil" in the entire SW universe.

To close this argument about who did what, in the world of Star Wars, if two remotely close force users face each other, it will not be decided by force powers, but by a lightsaber duel. So in this fight, since we don't know what fighting style Revan exactly used, but from my knowledge of Sith, I believe he would be suing hte ancient Sith technique Dun Moch, which is taunting your opponent.

I think you should go to the next cinema and watch RotS again. Yoda vs Sidious is not decided by force powers ? After watching RotS you should go and watch RotJ again. Luke vs. Sidious not decided by force powers ? The more powerful the two opponents the higher the chance it will be just a question of force powers.
And using Dun Moch against Luke. Great idea...you can see Vader doing this in RotJ and we all know what happend after that.

I believe with that technique, Luke would have a hard time fighting Revan if Revan knew of Luke's past. Now, since I have no clue what Luke uses as a form, (I lean towards form 1) I cannot argue about a lightsaber duel. So if someone could figure out what the two used as a lightsaber form, it would probably settle this.

Dun Moch is not a fighting technique it is just taunting. That would have no effect on NJO Luke.
And Luke is very much form V practitioner according to the things that can be seen in the movies (he might also know some form IV and form III techniques since Obi-Wan and Yoda were his first teachers) while Revan doesn't use any of the known styles.

Sorry for the double post.

There was some discussion above about veiws on the Force. Well, there are three beliefs that come to mind imediatly that I at least think I understand reasonably well.

The first is the Living Force. This is what Luke believes. It says that the Force comes from all things and is the whole energy feild thing. It is the one that Lucas invented.

The second is the potentiuum. It has no good, no evil, just the Force. This is the one that the Fensarri(the people on Zonoma Sekot) believed until they met Anakin and Obi-wan in Rouge PLanet. (Note, the potentiuum I believe has been called at least two different things on different occasions by bad communication between Authors.)

The third is the Unifying Force. This is basicaly a "revised" so to speak version of the potentiuum. This is what Zonama Sekot believed and also what Vergere taught Jacen. Luke, to my extreme disgust, came to believe this for a time and had the whole concept of the result justifies any way you get there. When Luke adopted this veiw of the Force, he decided that it was time to take action and fight the Yuuzhan Vong as warriors. Therefor he assaulted Shimera's Palace.

I personaly accept the Living Force veiw. I believe this to be the best way for many reasons.

1. It is George Lucas' one. He is the "god" of star wars.

2. This is the veiw of the Jedi. Yoda, Mace, and Obi-wan believe in this one.

Well, that is my little clarification on the Force talk that was going on earlier.

That doesn't give any answer if there is a Dark Side and a Light Side in the force itself or if there are only both sides in the people that use the force.

An energy field isn't good or evil.
The potentiuum isn't good or evil.
The Unifying Force isn't good or evil.

At least none of the ideas excludes the other ones.

Sorry, in the Living Force, there is a light and a dark. It is the one that is shown in the movies. Bad guys, Dark, Good guys, Light.

Originally posted by Nai Fohl
Who says so ? I never saw an information that says so. Becoming a Jedi Master / Council member is a question of experience with the force not a question of experience with a lightsaber.

I'm not talking about "people with a blaster"...people with melee weapons. And I won't question that Revan had more experience in lightsaber vs lightsaber combat. I'm just saying that he hadn't that much more combat experience than Luke when you keep in mind how many times Luke was involved in battles.

Oh realy. That is the whole idea of Star Wars ? Black and white ? Good and evil ? I think you should watch those movies again or just ask George Lucas for his oppinion on that point. Except Yoda and Sidious I never saw somebody just being "good" or "evil" in the entire SW universe.

I think you should go to the next cinema and watch RotS again. Yoda vs Sidious is not decided by force powers ? After watching RotS you should go and watch RotJ again. Luke vs. Sidious not decided by force powers ? The more powerful the two opponents the higher the chance it will be just a question of force powers.
And using Dun Moch against Luke. Great idea...you can see Vader doing this in RotJ and we all know what happend after that.

Dun Moch is not a fighting technique it is just taunting. That would have no effect on NJO Luke.
And Luke is very much form V practitioner according to the things that can be seen in the movies (he might also know some form IV and form III techniques since Obi-Wan and Yoda were his first teachers) while Revan doesn't use any of the known styles.

And yes, a master does master a lightsaber form. Sorry about the confusion, they do become a master by the way you said it, but while their a master they master a lightsaber form.

And being in a battle of a normal war won't help you beat someone in one on one. Luke has the disadvantage with experience since he had not been fighting other lightsaber wielders.

No good guy is perfect. No bad guy is completely bad. But they do follow one side or the other. That is how George Lucas sees it. It is the EU writers who came up with the bullshit of 'There is no dark side or light side, but only the force'. That is completely contradictary to Lucas' idea.

Now, Dun Moch is a fightnig technique, since you do it during a fight. Yes, Luke is a form 5 practioner, but that doesn't help in a lightsaber fight, since Form 5 is meant to deflect blaster bolts at there opponent and it is also a form meant for killing numerous inferior enemies, like what Anakin did during ROTS.

That was decided by a pansy move. If you watch AOTC, remember what Dooku says to Yoda before he starts dueling him. It is obvious that this contest cannot be decided by our knowledge of the Force... but by our skills with a lightsaber.