cannonball (adult version) vs superman

Originally posted by derrick24
ok superman has super speed but he get tagged by batman,

It's called Kryptonite. Do you know what that is. Of course you don't. I forgot who I'm arguing with.

Originally posted by derrick24
slapped around by venom,

And Lobo lost to Wolverine, and Hulk lost to Batman in that series. If that's the best you can do...

Originally posted by derrick24
go the breaks beaten off of him by spiderman (who had the aid of lex and doc ock, covering him with red sunlight).

You just answered your goddamn response. Ha! 😆

Originally posted by derrick24
He get tagged by brainiac, metallo etc.. but you keep bringing up his super speed and im bias. 😆

Brainiac also has superspeed.
Metallo has enhanced speed and friggin chunk of kryponite in his chest.

You're INCREDIBLY biased. You know next to NOTHING about Superman. I can understand why you don't like him but this really just a sign of massive immaturity.

I bring up his superspeed because he has it. Remember?

Draco whats up with calling people simple minded? show some maturity and dont insult people if they think Superman will lose in a fight.

This is a good thread so far and both sides have good points. If CB beat a character with elevated SM-like powers then a fight between him and SM is worth debating.

And when was superman in the "billions" class strength? I thought he could approximately lift 250 million tons.

Originally posted by derrick24
yep and 1 of them times he got killed,

And killed Doomsday right back.

Originally posted by derrick24
another time doomsday was sent in a time stream

So this OBVIOUSLY qualifies as working his way around it. 🙄

Originally posted by derrick24
and another time he was in a teleporter on the moon.

Uhhhh NO. Never happened. Making stuff up now? Recently Superman beat a souped up Doomsday to a pulp. One haymaker and DD was out like a light.

Originally posted by derrick24
How did superman work around doomsday durability, he didnt.

Yeah, he did. Swear to god, I'm arguing against a child. Which may be a very accurate assumption.

Originally posted by derrick24
Like i said before superman isnt breaking thru cannonball force field.

You have no proof of this except the Gladiator arc. Which is proven to be PIS.

Like I'VE said Cannonball has noway of defeating Superman.

Originally posted by Draco69
So? What does this mean? Nothing. All you have is a 200 something word paragraph describing his abilities. Nothing more.

Use a question mark next time, sweetie. 😉

Unfortunately Rachel's abilities are EXTREMELY vague. Claramont says she still has a portion of the Phoenix Force but certain events have said otherwise.

Since Rachel is apparently no longer on Galactus level is and is extremely depowered, sure Superman can beat her if he takes her out quickly. It's more in Rachel's favor though.

And what the hell does this have to do with Cannonball?

the reason i asked you could superman beat rachel was because i wanted to see were you a fan of superman, which rachel can kill superman in so many ways but you keep saying that superman can beat fury when none of the xmen powers was working and your bringing fury in this argument when hes superman superior by a long shot.

Cannonball has never been defeated by physical means before and it wont change with superman, fury had a way of working around cannonball force field, superman doesnt. Cannonball can just stand there and take superman best punches and absorb them. Oh and by the way draco, cannonball has grown up a lot, look here.
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=80

how do i listen to someone that doesnt even know anything about cannonball, read more on him draco.

Originally posted by Wynndar
Draco whats up with calling people simple minded? show some maturity and dont insult people if they think Superman will lose in a fight.

I call someone simpleminded if they post simpleminded post. For god's sake this is bordering on the absurd.

Originally posted by Wynndar
This is a good thread so far and both sides have good points. If CB beat a character with elevated SM-like powers then a fight between him and SM is worth debating.

Once again, as this has been said COUNTLESS times. Cannonball beating Gladiator is PIS. And was Gladiator unconscious or even bleeding. NO. He was thrown into a warehouse and came out pissed until Rogue saved CB's ass.

Originally posted by Wynndar
And when was superman in the "billions" class strength? I thought he could approximately lift 250 million tons.

That's wrong. Unless you don't consider splitting a moon with one strike in the billions.

Originally posted by Draco69
And killed Doomsday right back.

So this OBVIOUSLY qualifies as working his way around it. 🙄

Uhhhh NO. Never happened. Making stuff up now? Recently Superman beat a souped up Doomsday to a pulp. One haymaker and DD was out like a light.

Yeah, he did. Swear to god, I'm arguing against a child. Which may be a very accurate assumption.

You have no proof of this except the Gladiator arc. Which is proven to be PIS.

Like I'VE said Cannonball has noway of defeating Superman.

if i was cannonball, i would put superman in a INDESTRUCTIBLE force, rap him up real tightly and fly him in to a sea and see how long he can breath (i said this before but im giving you ways that he could beat superman), or just beat him to death with his own strength. Now give me a way superman could beat cannonball.

Originally posted by Draco69
I call someone simpleminded if they post simpleminded post. For god's sake this is bordering on the absurd.

Once again, as this has been said COUNTLESS times. Cannonball beating Gladiator is PIS. And was Gladiator unconscious or even bleeding. NO. He was thrown into a warehouse and came out pissed until Rogue saved CB's ass.

That's wrong. Unless you don't consider splitting a moon with one strike in the billions.

draco can i have the name of the comic that superman split the moon in half with a punch. Another thing, lets not compare superman and gladiator durability, have you EVER seen gladiator bleed because i have never seen him bleed, whereas superman bleeds in about everyone of his comic. 😆

gladiator is superior to superman in all aspect. another thing, the superman and venom fight didnt happen in marvel vs dc, it was in a access book. all of superman enemies dont have super speed and by the way braniac DO NOT HAVE SUPER SPEED, if he does please give me a bio where it says so and give me a site where it say parasite has super speed.

Originally posted by derrick24
the reason i asked you could superman beat rachel was because i wanted to see were you a fan of superman, which rachel can kill superman in so many ways but you keep saying that superman can beat fury when none of the xmen powers was working and your bringing fury in this argument when hes superman superior by a long shot.

I'm not a Superman fanboy. Please. It's VERY obvious you're an anti-Superman fanboy. People in KMC DESPISE both fanboys and anti-fanboys. You fulfill the latter and the former (Wolverine).

Rachel is most certainly capable of defeating Superman. But Superman can beat her as well via superspeed. It is much more in Rachel's favor however.

Fury superior to Superman. You don't even know who and what Doomsday is. What makes you believe you have the audacity to suggest such a thing. You don't have evidence. Just a vague paragraph and even vaguer description of events.

Who were on the X-Men? Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Sage? Please. Sure Storm and Rachel are very powerful but Storm's powers pale to Superman and Rachel appears to be severely depowered. In her prime she stalemated Galactus.

Originally posted by derrick24
Cannonball has never been defeated by physical means before and it wont change with superman fury had a way of working around cannonball force field, superman doesnt.

Sure it would. Superman has a multitude of ways of defeating Cannonball. Easily.

Originally posted by derrick24
Cannonball can just stand there and take superman best punches and absorb them.

Yeah. Right. So Superman is SOOOOO stupid to continue to punch Cannonball if it has no effect. Please. That just shows how inknowledgeable you really are about Superman.

Originally posted by derrick24
how do i listen to someone that doesnt even know anything about cannonball, read more on him draco.

Please. I know much more about Cannonball than you do. Obviously. Don't be presumptious enough to assume you have the authority to suggest updating on a character.

Here's a better tip: Read up more on Superman. REALLY. I mean it. Your arguements are very flawed and very biased.

Originally posted by derrick24
draco can i have the name of the comic that superman split the moon in half with a punch. Another thing, lets not compare superman and gladiator durability, have you EVER seen gladiator bleed because i have never seen him bleed,

You own a Superman comic? Saints above. I call bull****. Which moon was it then? Come on now.

I wasn't comparing durability. As you can see( but cannot read) I simply argued that the fight was simply PIS. Everyone else in here agrees. Even Tron and Paola agrees.

[QUOTE=4031527]Originally posted by derrick24
[B]whereas superman bleeds in about everyone of his comic. 😆

You've said this numerous times. It puts your perceptions into doubt. As I said before: Anti-fanboy.

Originally posted by derrick24
gladiator is superior to superman in all aspect.

No arguements there. Except his hairdo...

Originally posted by derrick24
another thing, the superman and venom fight didnt happen in marvel vs dc, it was in a access book.

It's the same event, honey. Good Lord...🙄

Originally posted by derrick24
all of superman enemies dont have super speed

Preus, Zod, Doomsday, Lyla, etc. You like kicking yourself in the nuts, don't ya? 😉

Originally posted by derrick24
and by the way braniac DO NOT HAVE SUPER SPEED, if he does please give me a bio where it says so and give me a site where it say parasite has super speed.

If you consider flying around the earth in minutes as not superspeed...

The first models of Brainiac had enhanced speed. However the latter versions are another story.

Parasite doesn't have superspeed. However his reaction times are very high. Which is how he caught the Flash once.

i know more about superman than you know about cannonball. I have comics on both and i know of supermans and cannonball capability. it seems like you hate the fact that i disagree with you and i understand and im not trying to make a enemy on this site because it actually seems like your getting pretty angry. You havent told me a way superman could beat cannonball, you havent told me when doomsday has ever pulled a feat like fury, punching someone out of space like he did rachel, nothing. You just keep bringing up superman super speed. Flash also had super speed but gets hit by gorilla grod, speed isnt deciding this fight. Whats deciding this fight is that does superman has the tools to get thru a force field that has never been broke thru, no he cant. will superman find out in time that cannonball is absorbing his attacks before he get koed, i dont think so. Superman isnt the most durable characters i have seen, like general zod shooting holes thru him with his heat vision, thats not completely invulnerable.

Originally posted by derrick24
if i was cannonball, i would put superman in a INDESTRUCTIBLE force,

Such as? What "force" are you talking about. Are you just making up powers for your "adult Cannonball"? You are aren't you?

Originally posted by derrick24
rap him up real tightly and fly him in to a sea and see how long he can breath

I'm gonna borrow some of your schrizophrenic notions for awhile if you don't mind. Let's say that Cannonball somehow in this crazy mixed up world of yours acutually does this. Ya think drowning him would work? Wow. That's just shows the depths of your depravity. He has something called heat vision. Say goodbye to the sea. And he can hold his breath for hours. Can Cannonball?

Originally posted by derrick24
(i said this before but im giving you ways that he could beat superman), or just beat him to death with his own strength. Now give me a way superman could beat cannonball.

Heat vision. Freeze breath. Drowning. Oxygen deprivation. Fly into the sun. Etc.

so draco mongul also has super speed huh, and hulk has super speed to and what about hawk man who seem to get a lick off of superman. Stop using super speed in this fight because his speed dont matter, he dont how to use it during fights, hes not goku.

Originally posted by derrick24
i know more about superman than you know about cannonball. I have comics on both and i know of supermans and cannonball capability.

I doubt this very seriously. You don't even know Doomsday's capabilities. Please. You are hardly aware of Superman's abilities. At all.

Originally posted by derrick24
it seems like you hate the fact that i disagree with you and i understand and im not trying to make a enemy on this site because it actually seems like your getting pretty angry.

I'm hardly angry. And you can have whatever delusions of grandeur you wish. I'm having a laugh at your expense to ignore logic and fact because you hate Superman with a passion.

I do admire your persistance though. Like a rat attempting to eat a bit of cheese even though it gives him an electric shock.

Originally posted by derrick24
You havent told me a way superman could beat cannonball,

I was (fruitlessly) hoping you would come to what few senses you possess and come to a logical conclusion by yourself. Which apparently isn't going to happen. Unfortunately.

Originally posted by derrick24
you havent told me when doomsday has ever pulled a feat like fury, punching someone out of space like he did rachel, nothing.

Please. Your lack of knowledge regarding Doomsday is nothing short of astonishing. Destroyed the GL Corps. Resisted the Omega Force. Defeated the entire JLA. Destroyed planets with single blows. Please.

Originally posted by derrick24
You just keep bringing up superman super speed.

You keep IGNORING his speed. Avoiding it more likely.

Originally posted by derrick24
Flash also had super speed but gets hit by gorilla grod, speed isnt deciding this fight [B]

May have something to do with tech and telepathy, partner.

Originally posted by derrick24
[B] Whats deciding this fight is that does superman has the tools to get thru a force field that has never been broke thru, no he cant. [B]

Yeah he does.

QUOTE=4031605]Originally posted by derrick24
[B] will superman find out in time that cannonball is absorbing his attacks before he get koed, i dont think so. [/QUOTE]

Of course he would. Please. "Hmm. My blows don't seem to harm him. He seems to want me to attack him. Oh dear, he may be absorbing my blows. It certainly explains why he is just standing there. Superman is a friggin genius. You seriously underrate his intelligence. Like everything else concerning him.

QUOTE=4031605]Originally posted by derrick24
Superman isnt the most durable characters i have seen, like general zod shooting holes thru him with his heat vision, thats not completely invulnerable. [/QUOTE]

Do you know how powerful heat vision is? Of course you don't.

I theorize this is the ONLY Superman comic you may have read. "Ooooooh. Jim Lee. I hate Superman but the pictures so pretty." 😆

Originally posted by Draco69
Such as? What "force" are you talking about. Are you just making up powers for your "adult Cannonball"? You are aren't you?

I'm gonna borrow some of your schrizophrenic notions for awhile if you don't mind. Let's say that Cannonball somehow in this crazy mixed up world of yours acutually does this. Ya think drowning him would work? Wow. That's just shows the depths of your depravity. He has something called heat vision. Say goodbye to the sea. And he can hold his breath for hours. Can Cannonball?

Heat vision. Freeze breath. Drowning. Oxygen deprivation. Fly into the sun. Etc.

draco im actually thinking that youre a superman fan, i went to some old sites with superman vs and you voted for superman every time, and by the way cannonball does have the power to imprison his enemies, he use it all the time, you dont know any thing about cannonball, look here it will tell you he can do it.

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=80

you said that heat vision, ice breath, and flying to the sun would work
😆

You do know that cannonball can create a explosion out of his force field, superman aint flying nobody nowhere or since he absorb kinetic energy he can use the push that superman is doing while flying him to space and just punch him in the head. Draco you do know that he absorbs kinetic energy, kinetic energy has alot to do with movement. think about it.

Originally posted by derrick24
so draco mongul also has super speed huh,

Nope. But he has godly reflexes. Which is how he could deflect his blows.

Originally posted by derrick24
and hulk has super speed to

Don't use crossovers for evidence. They're wholly inaccurate. Besides he WON didn't he? Is this all you read? Exiles, X-Men, and crossovers. Probably.

Originally posted by derrick24
and what about hawk man who seem to get a lick off of superman.

Superman didn't know he had a magical device. For god's sake he's HAWKMAN.

Originally posted by derrick24
Stop using super speed in this fight because his speed dont matter, he dont how to use it during fights, hes not goku.

Stop avoiding it like the bubonic plague. Of course he uses his speed in battles. Against Marvel. Against DD. Against Wonder Woman. Against Flash. Please.

i have seen superman get stabbed in the chest by ral ul, why didnt he just use his speed and take the knife from him, hmmmm. when did doomsday destroy a planet by punching it, you have been looking at to much dragon ball, doomsday has never punched anyone out of orbit, he was struggling to punch thru the dome that was holding him.

doomsday is a very powerful person, youre not lying there draco but i dont think that he has nothing on fury and again give me the book # and the name of the book where doomsday destroy a planet.

you keep making things up about superman and doomsday and it makes it kind of hard to believe anything that youre saying, im providing you with facts and your providing me with punching and destroying planets and splitting the moon in half, when superman actually needed the assistance of wonder women and martian manhunter to help him move the planet.

Originally posted by derrick24
draco im actually thinking that youre a superman fan, i went to some old sites with superman vs and you voted for superman every time,

Aww. The little boy did his own wittle "invwesigation". How cute. If you did a better job of "researching" me. You would know that I'm hardly a Superman fan. My devotion is for someone more....slimmer.

And don't have the audacity to cry fanboy. You're a Wolverine fanboy, Hyperion fanboy and anti-Superman fanboy. Please.

Originally posted by derrick24
and by the way cannonball does have the power to imprison his enemies, he use it all the time, you dont know any thing about cannonball, look here it will tell you he can do it.

Stop posting the site. Please. I have a regular email corresponce with one of the betas. 🙄

He cannot imprison people in forcefields to my knowledge. The source may be inaccurate. However if you post a time he used it....

And he didn't use it on on Shang Chi when he was kicking is ass. Or Storm. Or Deathstrike.

Originally posted by derrick24
you said that heat vision, ice breath, and flying to the sun would work

Yep. Cackling like a lune does nothing to establish your crediblity.

Originally posted by derrick24
You do know that cannonball can create a explosion out of his force field, superman aint flying nobody nowhere or since he absorb kinetic energy he can use the push that superman is doing while flying him to space and just punch him in the head. Draco you do know that he absorbs kinetic energy, kinetic energy has alot to do with movement. think about it.

And how is he gonna have the time to use this "push" when Superman is reaching escape velocity speed? He won't. He has human reflexes. Superman would be moving far too fast for him to so.

Kinetic energy? Glad you mentioned that. How will the absorbtion of kinetic energy protect him from heat vision? Or freeze breath. Or oxygen deprivation?

Originally posted by Draco69
Nope. But he has godly reflexes. Which is how he could deflect his blows.

Don't use crossovers for evidence. They're wholly inaccurate. Besides he WON didn't he? Is this all you read? Exiles, X-Men, and crossovers. Probably.

Superman didn't know he had a magical device. For god's sake he's HAWKMAN.

Stop avoiding it like the bubonic plague. Of course he uses his speed in battles. Against Marvel. Against DD. Against Wonder Woman. Against Flash. Please.

i think that your a cool guy because you dont give up. About half the people on this site said that cannonball has a great chance at beating superman but you dont want to believe that. You keep saying things to try to keep the argument going like pis and you dont like the fact that things happen in comics and to just deal with it. 😕

You havent said anything yet to prove that superman can go thru cannonball force field, you keep bringing up crappy arguments, like heat vision, but cannonball flew out of an explosion and ice breath but he flew right out of liquid nitrogen and took ice man blast to the chest and youre bringing up strength which everyone on this site but you said wont work. 🤣

Originally posted by derrick24
i have seen superman get stabbed in the chest by ral ul, why didnt he just use his speed and take the knife from him, hmmmm. when did doomsday destroy a planet by punching it, you have been looking at to much dragon ball, doomsday has never punched anyone out of orbit, he was struggling to punch thru the dome that was holding him.

doomsday is a very powerful person, youre not lying there draco but i dont think that he has nothing on fury and again give me the book # and the name of the book where doomsday destroy a planet.

you keep making things up about superman and doomsday and it makes it kind of hard to believe anything that youre saying, im providing you with facts and your providing me with punching and destroying planets and splitting the moon in half, when superman actually needed the assistance of wonder women and martian manhunter to help him move the planet.

Because why didn't he use his speed? Because it's a comic

We always see speedsters get hit by slow fokes that’s just with any superhero that has many different powers.

Why didn't Gladiator uses 100X light speed to knock out Hulk
Why didn’t SS avoid most of his enemy’s attacks?
Why didn't Strange teleport most of the bad guys away.

Why he didn’t? Doesn’t matter, if he can do it than that's a good enough

draco im going to go back to high school and teach you a little something, read what kinetic energy is and learn it, absorb it and know that cannonball can absorb all of superman efforts.

Kinetic energy is the energy of motion. An object which has motion - whether it be vertical or horizontal motion - has kinetic energy. There are many forms of kinetic energy - vibrational (the energy due to vibrational motion), rotational (the energy due to rotational motion), and translational (the energy due to motion from one location to another). To keep matters simple, we will focus upon translational kinetic energy. The amount of translational kinetic energy (from here on, the phrase kinetic energy will refer to translational kinetic energy) which an object has depends upon two variables: the mass (m) of the object and the speed (v) of the object. The following equation is used to represent the kinetic energy (KE) of an object.