Spiderman or Manspider? (Dedicated 2 Mr Parker)

...And yes the 90s Spidey was the best.[/COLOR] [/B][/QUOTE]

yes it sure was.They made some mistakes in that cartoon that were different from the comics as well that I also wasnt thrilled with but it was much more loyal to the source material those those horrible movies were and I can live with that because the toon at least had many more positives about it than negatives,that cant be said for the movies..spidey with the mechs is like batman without the batmobile or indiana jones without his whip or captain america without the shield.

Kingpin was waaaaay overused in that cartoon.That was my only gripe with it.

Yeah that was my main gripe with the cartoon as well and why I dont consider it a magical cartoon show like I do with Batman the animated series.Plus once again,just like the Man-Spider movies,they ruined it for me by not including gwen stacy in it. 😠

Jesus! And I thought that I was over critical of movies! 😑 I might be digging my own grave admitting this in this thread, but I personally like the Spider-Man movies, but I do not love them. I think they are just as flawed as they are good. They say that only "Death and Taxes" are for certain, but they also forgot to include criticism of comic book films. There will never, never, (never x 10,000) be a comic book film made that no one person will moan and cry about. I have a better chance of growing boobs on my back while being struck by lightning after I fart the Star Spangled Banner than that happening. Yes, the movies are flawed. Organics ARE a sin, Peter's genius is not recognized, Gwen Stacey in not introduced, they cast a natural BLONDE to play red headed M.J.......... I could go on, and on and on. But I could also go on about all of the X-Men, Hulk, Daredevil, Superman, Batman, and all the other comic book flicks out there. Flawed as they are, they still are entertaining to most. There is only so much you can squeeze into a two hour movie with out making it a snoozefest. I wish very much that Spider-Man would have been better, but I think it wasn't all THAT terrible. Then again, I'm not the devoted Spider-Man fan that Mr. Parker is, am I? 😉 Personally my favorite character is the Savage Dragon, And HELL YES I would cry and moan if they made a terrible movie of him. So, I can understand where the animosity comes from, but why not just step back a few paces and look and see that it just a movie, and why not let yourself be entertained? Or am I about to be blasted here? LOL

Originally posted by Spideys Sister
Thats because thats the name everyone grew up with

although the explanation from wm makes sense he is still spiderman becouse thats HIS name, and his character no matter ,what, and yes i rather have your so called man spider, spiderman movie, rather than have none, cos raimi done a amazing work with the character. you should had read what cameron wanted to do with spiderman , then you would call it whatever man.....

and what did u want to call him? fly-man? that is what comics spider-man is a fly man, all his habilities is from a fly, remember web shooter is not a habilit is a mechanism peter made (forget the excuse they made that the spider who bite him taugh him to do web, let focus on a moment of inspirition and leave it alone) stan thogh that even on the 60 fly man wouldnt appeal (and i thank god for that) and though os spiderman with the "-" everyone forget, spider - man, so people dont relate his name with superman with no "-" .

think what u want, the movie is spider-man will continue to be and its done and all u can do is wimp becouse there never been a better adaptation, excepte the ultimate series, of the character of spider-man, they always crap on him, see the spider-crap unlimited, and spider-man from mtv...........

hmmmmm

Originally posted by Mr Parker
...And yes the 90s Spidey was the best.[/COLOR]

no it waasnt is suckes so big......spiderman didnt have web shooter he has a star trek aparat on his wrist , wich entered within his body as he reloaded a magazine of web, its was baf animated, in fact they used the same scene in various epsodes to avoid animation a new one , poor music,and it sucked as shit

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Yeah that was my main gripe with the cartoon as well and why I dont consider it a magical cartoon show like I do with Batman the animated series.Plus once again,just like the Man-Spider movies,they ruined it for me by not including gwen stacy in it. 😠

two things parker, gwen apeared in 90s cartoon, but she had no place as peter love afair, and plus i would hate to see her there, just to see her dieng again.....they used mj instead,
and the movie goes with the same thing becouse, when spiderman fist came, who the f*ck would now it would be a hit a there would be a second movie? so they planted mj blended with gwen to be peter affair, since in the comics she is the one peter stays with,thats make no diference at all.

and yeah, i would love to see gwen in screen, i love her, mj is just a good, real good seconde prize, but there is no time to plot her in screen within the history they made. 🙁 . better off i would cry if i saw her dieng on screen and rampage marvel office, sonys too

Originally posted by Spiderman_RJ
two things parker, gwen apeared in 90s cartoon, but she had no place as peter love afair, and plus i would hate to see her there, just to see her dieng again.....they used mj instead,
and the movie goes with the same thing becouse, when spiderman fist came, who the f*ck would now it would be a hit a there would be a second movie? so they planted mj blended with gwen to be peter affair, since in the comics she is the one peter stays with,thats make no diference at all.

The death of gwen stacy comic is a big moment in spidey's life, its one of the many things that reminds us hes human, he cant save everyone. This is a major disappointment to spidey comic fans because of the switcharoo of gwen for mj. It would have definitely been better like the original story goes but no, it has to remain watchable to kids(Oh! dont forget the kids now!) But yes it is a crappy path to go to completely leave out gwen. 😠

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Thanks for proving to me like all the apologists do for the shortcomings and failures of these films what an idiot Raimi sounds like when he made his speech for why he was going to include organics in the movie.His absurd and laughable reasoning for not including the mechs in the film was he says that the general audience would have a hard time relating to a kid who could create a chemical that no 3M multi corporation company could ever create? what the hell,when was spiderman ever about realism? this is about a guy who walks on walls and sticks to them and has superhuman strength because of a spiderbite and thats suppose to be believable? give me a break,if anything,thats just as much unbelievable as a teenage kid creating a fluid no scientists have created.To Raimi's stupid reasoning BACK TO THE FUTURE should never have been made because that movie is not realistic either. 🙄 the only reason the mechs were not included in the film like they should have been for a true spidey fan is because it was just sheer laziness on Raimi's part so he came up with the lame ass lie of his for the reasoning of the organics.

okay I did not dismiss you from class earlier so I can see why you are still here posting so I will do it in a minute.Remember organics=man-spider, chemical webbing=spiderman.This version of sonys butchered to death his character,the movie is a fraud. You learned something today.you can leave now.

class dismissed. 😄

i must disagree in one point it wasnt lazyness, its was in the first script, they had a whole scene about it, and they had the prototype web shooter, wich i saw and was cool as hell, but the problem that came up was tha bump in the spiderman costuma, and how ilegitimate it would look like to have a magic shooter that disapear under your suit, in order for it to look cool, its said that raimi spent some money trying to make compatible suits to the shooter and make its bump less evident but it didnt worked so well in the screen test so they wiped it out, if u look in the net u can find those prototype, if i had never saw them, i would not really miss it, but it was a pity..... 🙁

Originally posted by snake_eyes616
The death of gwen stacy comic is a big moment in spidey's life, its one of the many things that reminds us hes human, he cant save everyone. This is a major disappointment to spidey comic fans because of the switcharoo of gwen for mj. It would have definitely been better like the original story goes but no, it has to remain watchable to kids(Oh! dont forget the kids now!) But yes it is a crappy path to go to completely leave out gwen. 😠

if you go that way,u should have to make peter date betty first what is impossible since perter goes to dayly bugle in the middle of the movie, and make him meet and date betty after all he is a dork.......

I thought Betty's character was too much like Lois Lane. tomato

Originally posted by Next Venom_girl
I thought Betty's character was too much like Lois Lane. tomato

Yeah she really didn't have her own style. Gwen and Mj you can relate to and they have personalities.

Originally posted by Spiderman_RJ
although the explanation from wm makes sense he is still spiderman becouse thats HIS name, and his character no matter ,what, and yes i rather have your so called man spider, spiderman movie, rather than have none, cos raimi done a amazing work with the character. you should had read what cameron wanted to do with spiderman , then you would call it whatever man.....

and what did u want to call him? fly-man? that is what comics spider-man is a fly man, all his habilities is from a fly, remember web shooter is not a habilit is a mechanism peter made (forget the excuse they made that the spider who bite him taugh him to do web, let focus on a moment of inspirition and leave it alone) stan thogh that even on the 60 fly man wouldnt appeal (and i thank god for that) and though os spiderman with the "-" everyone forget, spider - man, so people dont relate his name with superman with no "-" .

think what u want, the movie is spider-man will continue to be and its done and all u can do is wimp becouse there never been a better adaptation, excepte the ultimate series, of the character of spider-man, they always crap on him, see the spider-crap unlimited, and spider-man from mtv...........

the movie didnt show his true character though because he is not the monster sony and raimi have made him into. 🙄 the 90's toon was a much better adaptation by far,at least he had the mechs.

F***k you parker..........i´m talking reasinable, and all u come is mosnter ......im talking about peter parker, he is the main character spider-man is just a reflection of what he is........
grow up man! this is childish...... i give up trying to arguing with you, seriuoly.....

Wow thats real mature.You cuss me out over my last post which I addressed to you in a civilized way and you say YOUR being reasonable and claim "I'M" being childish and tell ME to grow up? Wow the truth really hurts you I see.Yeah I got better things to do than waste my time arguing with you as well.meet my ignore list. I think I will movie on to Impediment,at least he doesnt cuss me out over a stupid movie. 😛

Originally posted by snake_eyes616
The death of gwen stacy comic is a big moment in spidey's life, its one of the many things that reminds us hes human, he cant save everyone. This is a major disappointment to spidey comic fans because of the switcharoo of gwen for mj. It would have definitely been better like the original story goes but no, it has to remain watchable to kids(Oh! dont forget the kids now!) But yes it is a crappy path to go to completely leave out gwen. 😠

Yeah it was totally inexcusable for them to leave Gwen out completely. 😠

As far as the title of the thread goes, "Man-Spider or Spider-Man", if some people want to argue semantics then, yes, let him be entitled "Man-Spider" since it is only fitting. Just look at Batman and the monstrosity Man-Bat. Two VERY big differences yet similar to say the least. He is titled batMAN because he is a man dressing up as a bat, and its called manBAT since its a humanoid BAT thing. I, myself, wouldnt go so far as to call him "monster" because of his organics and 'cause he doesnt have eight eyes and eat flies, but Peter Parker is a genius pure and simple, thats what makes him unique among others. Sure, he isn't up to par with, say, Reed Richards but he is still a scientist and inventor. His webslingers are a testament to such intellects, and are the IMITATION of a spider hence his name. Organic webs mutated into his anatomy are preposterous and an insult to the character, and Sam Raimi, Avi Arad, and whoever else opted to give Peter organics need to be kneecapped.

Originally posted by Impediment
Jesus! And I thought that I was over critical of movies! 😑 I might be digging my own grave admitting this in this thread, but I personally like the Spider-Man movies, but I do not love them. I think they are just as flawed as they are good. They say that only "Death and Taxes" are for certain, but they also forgot to include criticism of comic book films. There will never, never, (never x 10,000) be a comic book film made that no one person will moan and cry about. I have a better chance of growing boobs on my back while being struck by lightning after I fart the Star Spangled Banner than that happening. Yes, the movies are flawed. Organics ARE a sin, Peter's genius is not recognized, Gwen Stacey in not introduced, they cast a natural BLONDE to play red headed M.J.......... I could go on, and on and on. But I could also go on about all of the X-Men, Hulk, Daredevil, Superman, Batman, and all the other comic book flicks out there. Flawed as they are, they still are entertaining to most. There is only so much you can squeeze into a two hour movie with out making it a snoozefest. I wish very much that Spider-Man would have been better, but I think it wasn't all THAT terrible. Then again, I'm not the devoted Spider-Man fan that Mr. Parker is, am I? 😉 Personally my favorite character is the Savage Dragon, And HELL YES I would cry and moan if they made a terrible movie of him. So, I can understand where the animosity comes from, but why not just step back a few paces and look and see that it just a movie, and why not let yourself be entertained? Or am I about to be blasted here? LOL

Okay first to address this first post of yours.No Im not overly critical of movies,just unlike most people that go into the spiderman section can spot crap when I see it when its so plain right there in front of everybodys eyes.Trust me you only dig your grave if you come to this section and say you DONT like it.Now if you went to this one website I used to love to post at but cant anymore since it no longer exists called no organic webshooters.com,that place you would be digging your grave at saying that.That was a site that dozens of people used to post at venting their anger over the organics before the first film came out and did not want to see this movie made because of it.But the site doesnt exist anymore. 🙁 Im not over critical of films its just unlike most people here I dont have low standards.I have high standards for a comicbook film.

Well glad to see you see the light here at least that organics are a sin and that Petes genius was not recognized in the film. 🙂 True there is only so much you can squeeze into a two hour film but leaving out things the mechs was just inexcusable.again it was done just because of lazy film making.Of those comicbook movies you mentioned,I will just comment on a couple of them,Superman and Batman.Superman one and two are one of a kind magical awesome movies.The reason they are is because they stayed loyal to the source material and had a great story both times.Superman 3 the story was pretty bad and thats when the movies got bad as well.Now before Batman Begins was released recently,the sad truth is hollywood had not made a good Batman film.The storys to those films were a joke and horribly written.Those movies like the manspider movies did,totally butchered to death his character especially the first two Batman movies by making Batman into a killer who killed people in cowardly ways.Tim Burton should never have been allowed near a batman franchice and either should Joel Schumacher because they clearly did not understand Batman.Thank God that Nolan and Goyer came along because they are a fans director unlike Burton and they understood the character of Batman.They made a point of it in that movie that Batman wont kill people to bring them to justice and they also did not repeat the mistakes made in the previous films that Burton and Schumacher made.Plus the storys were eomuch far better wriiten so that film would be right up there with Superman one and two as a great comicbook film as well.Richard Donner who directed superman or Nolan should direct a Spiderman movie because they care about the fans.Raimi obviously does not and was so much the wrong director to be making these films.He should be tarred aand feather for these horrible movies he produced because they were not at all loyal to the source material unlike Batman Begins or Superman one and two.

Well said Mr. Parker 🙂