Lightsaber versus Claws: Maul v Wolverine

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
From what I know about it when it forms it is a liquid and will stay a liquid until it cools. Keeping it in a heated tank and then pumping it into someone and then letting it cool. I wonder why you can't re-melt it though.

It can't be remelted because adamantium cannot be melted; it has not melting point. It is an alloy made from various other metals and chemicals all of which have individual melting points, hence the liquid form of the metal that will cool to form the indestrucible adamantium. Once that liquid drys though, the new compound adamantium cannot be turned back into a liquid...i.e. the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts. In the case of adamantium, the whole is MUCH greater than the sum of its parts.

I'm not arguing that Wolvie could beat maul, because I'm unsure of how that fight would turn out. I'm simply saying Maul would have to inflict great amounts of internal damage because his saber is not going through wolverines skeleton. Maul def. has a major advantage in this one, I'm just not sure he could do enough damage to wolvie without being hit once, because that's all it would take, one hit and the fight is over, maul has no healing ability. I'm just curious if it wouldn't turn out like wolverine's fight w/ mystique, where she is obviously the better fighter, but she has no way to hurt him badly enough to win the battle???
Granted I am obviously not comparing mystique to maul, because that would just be stupid, I'm just using it as an example.

Wow, adamantium can't be melted?

That's damn stupid. How the hell did they put it on Wolverine if it doesn't have a melting point? Actually, can you name one metal or even mineral on this planet without a melting point? Or is this more comic book BS obfuscation?

NoNO!! It vaporizes!! Really!! I saw it!! schmoll

Uh... alright.

It's your fault!! You always change subject!! AARGH!!! Maul wins duhh.. Maul's super reflexes help him to strip Wolverine's face off, and within seconds Wolverine's belly will be full of holes! chair

Originally posted by Lord Janus
Wow, adamantium can't be melted?

That's damn stupid. How the hell did they put it on Wolverine if it doesn't have a melting point? Actually, can you name one metal or even mineral on this planet without a melting point? Or is this more comic book BS obfuscation?

Damn stupid, huh? did you even read my post, the main point of it was how the metal got put on wolverine even though it can't be melted. I don't personally agree w/ it but yes, it is more comic book BS. You're right every REAL metal and mineral can be melted and all of them are destructible. Adamantium is not real and is not destructible.

It's the comic book world we're talking about, a guy gets hit w/ gamma radiation and instead of muating and dying he became the most powerful creature in the world...real? I think not, but it happens in the comic book world. If they say adamantium is indestructible in a world that has the hulk, then it is INDESTRUCTIBLE, even in the star wars universe.

Originally posted by overlord
NoNO!! It vaporizes!! Really!! I saw it!! schmoll

"Sublimes" - vaporize describes the liquid-to-gas change. Though this is perhaps a very stupid point for me to make, the solid-to-gas change is "sublimation." Sorry if that contributed nothing.

Originally posted by turboman1691
Damn stupid, huh? did you even read my post, the main point of it was how the metal got put on wolverine even though it can't be melted. I don't personally agree w/ it but yes, it is more comic book BS. You're right every REAL metal and mineral can be melted and all of them are destructible. Adamantium is not real and is not destructible.

It's the comic book world we're talking about, a guy gets hit w/ gamma radiation and instead of muating and dying he became the most powerful creature in the world...real? I think not, but it happens in the comic book world. If they say adamantium is indestructible in a world that has the hulk, then it is INDESTRUCTIBLE, even in the star wars universe.

That's the probem with porting things over. Adamatium is supposed ot by like let's say Cortois in the Star Wars Universe. We can equivilize these things, but not get a exact match. And Adamatium can by melted, otherwise the mineral could never be extracted and made into liquid form unless they mined it from a volcanoe, kept it hot enough through the movement process, which would be near damn impossible, and then put it into someone's body and getting it all the way along his bone structure. It contradicts itself too many times to use it's "Invincible" Theorum.

that is the exact point I tried to make. There is not adamantium mineral to mine. the metal is an alloy, a combination of various other metals and chemicals. Each of those can be melted, but once they are put together and allowed to cool the new substance, adamantium, cannot be melted. At least according to it's comic profile.

Lol, a couple of solid metal claws, no matter what alloy........against a f*ckin LIGHTSBAER?!

Pure, focused energy, outerworldly-like....aginst metal claws.

Unless those claws are Cortosis, they're screwed.

God I'm so sick of people trying to compare Star Wars to the goddamn X-men.

True Adamantium is nearly as strong as Captain America's shield, and is, for all practical purpose, indestructible. The degree of impermeability varies directly with the thickness of the Adamantium. A direct blow from Thor's hammer, conveyed with the thunder god's full strength, will slightly dent a solid cylinder of True Adamantium. A sufficient mass of Adamantium could survive a direct hit from a nuclear weapon.

This is straight from the marvel directory. If the substance can only be bent by a direct from Thor's hammer and can survive a nuclear blast, I think it's safe to assume that a lightsaber (which has trouble cutting through blast doors on a ship) would not cut it.

Originally posted by Darth L. Dipsit
The properties of light energy negate the possibility that adamantium can escape a laser unharmed. Due to the kinetic energy of the photons in the lightsaber, they will smash into the adamantium on a submolecular energetic level in terms of polar waves. These, as they are moving so fast, will eventually cause the adamantium particles to accelerate as well (if a marble is hit by another marble, it accelerates - the same is true for any type of molecule or atom), thus causing heat, which will lead to the adamantium changing state. It is the properties of matter and energy that negate the possibility of Wolverine's resistance to photonic/massive heat energy on an electromagnetic level (massive in the sense that the photons can interact with mass, not that the impact is huge or the colloquial "massive"😉. In terms of metals these are fairly secure and patent accepted truths.

I still stand by this, and no one has addressed it.

Originally posted by turboman1691
True Adamantium is nearly as strong as Captain America's shield, and is, for all practical purpose, indestructible. The degree of impermeability varies directly with the thickness of the Adamantium. A direct blow from Thor's hammer, conveyed with the thunder god's full strength, will slightly dent a solid cylinder of True Adamantium. A sufficient mass of Adamantium could survive a direct hit from a nuclear weapon.

This is straight from the marvel directory. If the substance can only be bent by a direct from Thor's hammer and can survive a nuclear blast, I think it's safe to assume that a lightsaber (which has trouble cutting through blast doors on a ship) would not cut it.

LMFAO!

A sufficient mass of Adamantium could survive a direct hit from a nuclear weapon?

Alright, a few problems with that.

A) Sufficient mass could be anything. 2 kilograms, five inches thick, a mile across, etc.

B) Lightsabers are derived from technology same as used in turbolasers on starships. Since the smallest turbolaser is significant enough to destroy a 13 meter wide asteroid in under a second (Which requires enough power to be measured in terajoules) you can only imagine what kind of power a lightsaber can contain. If you still think this is insufficient to damage or distort a 1980s era alloy, you must be on crack.

C) Here's an argument I heard regarding lightsabers cutting through doors, as seen in TPM:

"The lightsaber is NOT a heat-based weapon. The following quote comes from the Star Wars Technical Commentaries, www.theforce.net/swtc. These are not official, but they are exhaustively researched by PhDs and are considered by Star Wars technical fans to be the best source in existence. The sabre is NOT a thermal effect. At least, if it is, it is CONTAINED. The blade does not put out any discernible heat near its boundary. The hilt is NOT hot. Regardless of excellent insulation technology that probably exists in STARWARS (starship hulls and armour etc) - it must be recognised that the sabre is not a 'heat' weapon. HOWEVER: objects that have been CUT by a sabre exhibit burn-like symptoms, and MOST cuts on organics are cauterized. There is clearly a heat-like effect at work within the core of the sabre blade - as you'd expect from a 'pure energy' weapon! HEAT is simply the excited motion of molecules ... heat MAKES molecules move, and visa-versa if you can make molecules move, you get heat. This is the principle of magnetic-induction cooking ranges - and of microwave ovens. The 'burning' seen on cut objects may not mean that the interior of the blade is 'hot' per se, perhaps it merely excites the molecules during the cutting process! A number of people have written to me citing a canonical incident from ''The Phantom Menace'' where a sabre blade is seen to ''melt'' a metal door. THIS DOES *NOT* PROVE THE BLADE IS *HOT* ... if the action of the blade in destroying the fabric of the metal EXCITES the molecules around the point of destruction, then heat will be INDUCED from this excitement. The door is actually MELTING ITSELF. This is NOT such a strange notion ... after all, INDUCTION COOKTOPS exist that heat metal saucepans without being ''hot'' themselves ... MICROWAVE OVENS cause heat in food without actually pumping heat at them, they simply EXCITE the molecules within the food ... if you apply a metal-file to a work-piece of metal, BOTH get hot, but NEITHER was hot to start with! In short, you don't need HEAT to make something HOT! "

So, if the blade itself isn't hot, but it can cause extreme heat. Now, what I'd like to see is a good damn reason why Wolverine would be able to withstand the Force, withstand the lightsaber (especially if its properties are sufficient to cause a space-age blast door to basically melt at the source of the cut.) and still kill Darth Maul.

All I'm really seeing here is dodging on the behalf of Wolvie supporters on how great adamantium is.

nice janus, very nice.

thank you.

A lightsaber could cut through adamantium. Wolverine's claws have like no reach. Maul is quicker.

I don't neccessarily think Maul is quicker, actually. Wolverine is a formidable opponent. If Maul doesn't properly use the Force and his blade, he could lose this fight and quickly.

But since the fight supposes Maul can use both, he has a higher chance of winning.

It will be easy for Maul, those claws are short and the lightsaber would probably hit Wolverines hands quite often too. It's just like a sword against someone with knives. Wolverine probably won't even be able to come close to Maul.

A great knife fighter can still defeat a bad sword fighter, but really you can not call this a sword against knife fight because the knives would be quite limited in what they can do.

Thatr's not a good analogy cuz a good knife fighter has more range of motion than a swordfighter and if all else fails, can chuck their weapon. Wolvie can't shoot his claws, unless Marvel really went over the deep end.