Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Just one question, Draco. Hulk doesn't have a real "weakness," (aside from sleeping gas.) What would the Mother Box do to him? Why didn't Orion use it against the Shaggy Man/General?
The Mother Box is technology connected to the source itself. It can do pretty much anything provided it has the power. It some ways it outstrips the Green Lantern ring.
One way to defeat the Hulk is to absorb the gamma radiation, put him to sleep with sleeping gas or simply revert him back to human form using the same calming technology used on Orion.
Orion didn't HAVE the Mother Box. He gave it to Oracle.
I've heard and read many times that Orion is superior to Superman in the strength dept. And way superior in the skill dept.
He boasts as being the "strongest humanoid on Earth".
Plus, HE'S THE DOG OF FRIGGIN WAR! <-----that = awesome.
I can see it go either way, but I see Orion playing it smart and being able to take Hulk 8/10.
I think he could overpower him for at least a few blows. Orion is uber strong.
or simply revert him back to human form using the same calming technology used on Orion.
lets first take a few things into consideration
*Orion is a god, new genesis god of war to be exact, ergo he's immortal.
*needless to say his has godly speed,strentgh,stamina and endurance
*ive seen this guy douse himself in gasoline, set himself on fire and took a white martian head on without his skin burning. and smacked the living shit outta him
*The Astro Force is another fundamental force of nature. It is wielded by Orion through his Astro-harness. It has the power to shatter the binding force of atoms or shift worlds in their orbits.
* Also the Astro force is localized in his body, it is becuase he either cant or hasnt yet learned to master it why he even needs the harness. plus the harness acts to regulate it so he doesnt explode everything when he releases--including himself.
---direct quote from orion #24:
"The Astro-Force, the harness, my wristbands are one and the same. They are a part of the Source and cannot be destroyed. Not by mortals. Perhaps not even by gods! A power beyond the comprehension of the flesh. They are the wrath of the Source, Lightray! And I, who along stand poised between the ferocity of Apokalips, and the compassion of New Genesis, am its wielder. A light that burns in the heart of darkness! - Orion, to Lightray
that being said i seriously doubt one palm blast from Nebulon, or another from Vector could be deemed as comparable to the a-force blasting the shit outta the hulk. a few ppl have been kicking around stuff that he might be the strongest humanoid on Earth, or the 2nd strongest in DC, but i dont know about all that. especially when there are guys like
Doomsday
Captain Marvel
Superman
Darksied
Bizzaro
Black Adam
Lobo
Mongul
and Amazo running around the DCU. but i believe he definatley is strong enuff to give the hulk a good run in the STR dept. Also it is important that you all remember that his rage is kept in check by Mother box, so since everynone wants the Box to be disqualified please believe that an enraged hulk would have a seriously difficult time with an equally enraged Orion.
Also if all else fails Orion can just play cheap and come to earth as a giant. as you all should know(or at least im hoping you all know) that on an absolute reference scale the new gods, and those of apokolips are about 300 feet tall. When they Boom Tube to another plane, the Mother Box reconfigures their body to an appropriate size. Similarily, when a terran Boom Tube's to New Genesis, they are reconfigured as well.
But if you use a *different* form of teleportation, that reconfiguration doesn't take place. So humans end up the size of ants. This was seen in a Supergirl arc(matrix), where she teleported magically to Apokolips, and was miniaturized until she was exposed to a Mother Box. so if orion teleports to earth by some other means which im sure new gen. has that kind of tech. he could crush all of earth's inhabitants easily. which begs the question why doesnt darksied just do that when he tries to invade Earth---again.
--small conversation between superman and Orion: the New Gods#10
"Of course. Your Earth, Superman, is nothing more than a *speck* in an *air pocket*."
"Orion--look at us. We're the same size. If Earth was a speck, I would be a microbe here. And you've been on Earth. You're not a giant there."
"The boom tube, Superman. It adjusts your size as you travel through it."
so who knows maybe under those circumstances he might be the strongest in the DCU, either way i think hulk is dust on this one.
I kept trying to say that Orion is a tough guy, and when I made the "Orion vs Thor" fight, I got laughed off the thread.....pshhhhhh.
Anyways, good job, manjaro. You said it better than I could.
I just went by tag lines and such about the strength, He's said it himself, and others have as well.
It's possible I'm wrong, it's happend once before. 😄
Originally posted by manjaro
lets first take a few things into consideration*Orion is a god, new genesis god of war to be exact, ergo he's immortal.
*needless to say his has godly speed,strentgh,stamina and endurance
*ive seen this guy douse himself in gasoline, set himself on fire and took a white martian head on without his skin burning. and smacked the living shit outta him
*The Astro Force is another fundamental force of nature. It is wielded by Orion through his Astro-harness. It has the power to shatter the binding force of atoms or shift worlds in their orbits.
* Also the Astro force is localized in his body, it is becuase he either cant or hasnt yet learned to master it why he even needs the harness. plus the harness acts to regulate it so he doesnt explode everything when he releases--including himself.---direct quote from orion #24:
"The Astro-Force, the harness, my wristbands are one and the same. They are a part of the Source and cannot be destroyed. Not by mortals. Perhaps not even by gods! A power beyond the comprehension of the flesh. They are the wrath of the Source, Lightray! And I, who along stand poised between the ferocity of Apokalips, and the compassion of New Genesis, am its wielder. A light that burns in the heart of darkness! - Orion, to Lightray
that being said i seriously doubt one palm blast from Nebulon, or another from Vector could be deemed as comparable to the a-force blasting the shit outta the hulk. a few ppl have been kicking around stuff that he might be the strongest humanoid on Earth, or the 2nd strongest in DC, but i dont know about all that. especially when there are guys like
Doomsday
Captain Marvel
Superman
Darksied
Bizzaro
Black Adam
Lobo
Mongul
and Amazo running around the DCU. but i believe he definatley is strong enuff to give the hulk a good run in the STR dept. Also it is important that you all remember that his rage is kept in check by Mother box, so since everynone wants the Box to be disqualified please believe that an enraged hulk would have a seriously difficult time with an equally enraged Orion.Also if all else fails Orion can just play cheap and come to earth as a giant. as you all should know(or at least im hoping you all know) that on an absolute reference scale the new gods, and those of apokolips are about 300 feet tall. When they Boom Tube to another plane, the Mother Box reconfigures their body to an appropriate size. Similarily, when a terran Boom Tube's to New Genesis, they are reconfigured as well.
But if you use a *different* form of teleportation, that reconfiguration doesn't take place. So humans end up the size of ants. This was seen in a Supergirl arc(matrix), where she teleported magically to Apokolips, and was miniaturized until she was exposed to a Mother Box. so if orion teleports to earth by some other means which im sure new gen. has that kind of tech. he could crush all of earth's inhabitants easily. which begs the question why doesnt darksied just do that when he tries to invade Earth---again.
--small conversation between superman and Orion: the New Gods#10
"Of course. Your Earth, Superman, is nothing more than a *speck* in an *air pocket*."
"Orion--look at us. We're the same size. If Earth was a speck, I would be a microbe here. And you've been on Earth. You're not a giant there."
"The boom tube, Superman. It adjusts your size as you travel through it."
so who knows maybe under those circumstances he might be the strongest in the DCU, either way i think hulk is dust on this one.
Wow! Thanks Manjaro. I never realized I was so ignorant about Orion and the New Gods. I need to study more.
No one has commented on Orions blazing speed feats, not a speeder like Flash, but his reactions and fight speed are near instantanious.
I have a comic where a blind Orion (his eyes are missing, they grow back later) catches bullets and throws them back into the barrel of the gun, through it, and into the shooter.
Originally posted by long pig
No one has commented on Orions blazing speed feats, not a speeder like Flash, but his reactions and fight speed are near instantanious.I have a comic where a blind Orion (his eyes are missing, they grow back later) catches bullets and throws them back into the barrel of the gun, through it, and into the shooter.
Hulk can be pretty damn fast himself. I have one comic in which Hulk catches about four missiles, all traveling faster than the speed of sound. Hulk dodges bullets, (Lord knows why,) pretty effortlessly.
When you said that the Astro Force wouldn't work on Hulk.
In the same story where Superman outruns the OmegaBeam, Orion worries over killing a bloodlusted Superman who believes he's Darkseids son with his Astro Force, Orion stuns him with surgically used Astro Force bubbles, take a punch to the head with no effect, and knock Supes back with a ferocious looking backhand.
Why wouldn't the same use of the astroforce work on Hulk, when it worked on Superman?
Originally posted by long pig
When you said that the Astro Force wouldn't work on Hulk.In the same story where Superman outruns the OmegaBeam, Orion worries over killing a bloodlusted Superman who believes he's Darkseids son with his Astro Force, Orion stuns him with surgically used Astro Force bubbles, take a punch to the head with no effect, and knock Supes back with a ferocious looking backhand.
Why wouldn't the same use of the astroforce work on Hulk, when it worked on Superman?
Different characters.
Superman's bioaura is the sole source of his invulnerability. It is permeable by different means. The Astroforce may be one of the few things that can bypass the aura. Hulk's skin stands up to any sort of punishment, with no selective weakness. He is similar in durability to the Shaggy Man, against whom the Astroforce had no avail.