Revan vs Nihilus

Originally posted by Fishy
The Kreia movie

Actually he did a force drain on Kreia not his special "eating" ability. Otherwise Kreia would have died for sure. That is the point. So we don't know if he can use his "special" in combat (also I have to mention here: He was not in combat when he did it to Kreia. He walked in and did it. We don't know how much time he needed to concentrate on Kreia to do so.)

And even if you assume that this was his special move and he could use that in combat. Kreia was still able to do a little effect on his lightsaber...so not all her force power was drained. Using same thing on Revan would probably result in:
a) Revan having more force power left than Kreia had because he is more powerful
b) Revan still able to fight and being the superior swordfighter here.

Conclusion: Nihilus gets his ass kicked.

Originally posted by Fishy
1.) I don't know he could have been dark completely before that.

3.) Now there is a chance of that, but nothing seems to support it. Some masters (definitly the one on Nar Shaddaa) have said that Jedi went to confront Nihilus and all it left was a wound in the force. Then there is the planet. Now it could be that he has to concentrate and then one second later everybody is dead, but I doubt that very much. Especially because Jedi have confronted him. If he was not able to do it during a fight he would have been dead already.

4.) I like your theory a lot more, but it just wouldn't make sense, also if it was true why didn't Revan ever come back to kill Nihilus. Why use Kreia to do it?

1. Perhaps

3. He could have simply killed the Jedi with a lightsaber, he wasn't that weak. Besides, how did they board his ship and make it all the way to him, while Visas and the others did nothing?

4. Sure it would, Revan was busy fighting the ancient Sith empire, he probably didn't even know Nihilus existed. While it's a nice theory, it's just speculation and if Revan really wanted Nihilus dead, he would have made twenty capital ships from the Star Forge and sent them to blow the Ravager up or something. It's not like Lord Revan to ask someone for help, and not do anything. Heck, he would've just gone to Malachor V while Nihilus was at Trayus Academy and used the mass shadow generator to blow the planet up. Revan knew about it and Nihilus wouldn't think it would kill him.

Oh, and Nai Fohl has a good point.

Revan probably would win, as nhilous isn't able to immediatly drain a person of their force it takes time and with someone as powerful as revan it would take a very long time, and nhilous was a crap swordsman the younglings were probably better with a lightsaber then he was revan would slice him up fairly quickly.

Originally posted by Nai Fohl
Actually he did a force drain on Kreia not his special "eating" ability. Otherwise Kreia would have died for sure. That is the point. So we don't know if he can use his "special" in combat (also I have to mention here: He was not in combat when he did it to Kreia. He walked in and did it. We don't know how much time he needed to concentrate on Kreia to do so.)

And even if you assume that this was his special move and he could use that in combat. Kreia was still able to do a little effect on his lightsaber...so not all her force power was drained. Using same thing on Revan would probably result in:
a) Revan having more force power left than Kreia had because he is more powerful
b) Revan still able to fight and being the superior swordfighter here.

Conclusion: Nihilus gets his ass kicked.

"There are techniques in the force against which there is no defense" - Kreia

She says that at the exact time it happens. So yeah he can do it in fighting, and No it doesn't take all that long. Now Kreia survived we all admit to that, but who says he always does it like that. You are not going to tell me he just pushed an entire planet against the wall knocking them out...

Also lets not forget one thing here. Kreia was on the ground and down but for some reason Sion and Nihilus let her live, they wanted her to live. He did not want to eat her. He just wanted her gone.

Originally posted by Emperor Revan
1. Perhaps

3. He could have simply killed the Jedi with a lightsaber, he wasn't that weak. Besides, how did they board his ship and make it all the way to him, while Visas and the others did nothing?

4. Sure it would, Revan was busy fighting the ancient Sith empire, he probably didn't even know Nihilus existed. While it's a nice theory, it's just speculation and if Revan really wanted Nihilus dead, he would have made twenty capital ships from the Star Forge and sent them to blow the Ravager up or something. It's not like Lord Revan to ask someone for help, and not do anything. Heck, he would've just gone to Malachor V while Nihilus was at Trayus Academy and used the mass shadow generator to blow the planet up. Revan knew about it and Nihilus wouldn't think it would kill him.

Oh, and Nai Fohl has a good point.

3.) If he would have killed them with a lightsaber they would have died like normal Jedi did. They would have become one with the force and the Jedi Masters would not have sensed anything strange. He ate them otherwise the wound he created would not have been there.

4.) We don't know if Revan was fighting the Sith Empire, we just think he is. But still Kreia did have the Ebon Hawk HK-47 and T3-M4 and its all tied with Revan and an unfinished game. Revan used her to kill Nihilus. After you kill Kreia your supposed to fight Revan and be defeated. Why would Revan in heavensname send Kreia to kill Nihilus if he was on Malachor at the time of your fight and could have easily done it himself? Unless of course he could not defeat Nihilus.

Again, why did he need Sion if he could just eat Kreia? There's no point. We've never seen him do it in combat. And why does Sion say "You are difficult to kill." to Kreia? As for her quote, she couldn't resist Malachor V either, Revan could. She didn't think it was possible to hear Bao Dur's thoughts either but the Exile did.

3. Ok you're probably right about the wound, but what about the last part I said, do you really think they could've boarded his ship, fought their way to the deck, and through Visas on their own? Very unlikely. They were probably just near and Nihilus drained their Force and they couldn't pilot their ships and hit a wall or something.

4. They continually say he went off to fight the Sith Empire, and have made such a big deal about it that they're not gonna say "oh it was all a lie" or something like that now. As for the unfinished game, it's not in the game, and if in the 'original' version he didn't necessarily send Kreia to do anything. Even if he did, think of that sentence right there, Kreia being told by Revan to do something and her doing it. Sure she liked Revan but she wouldn't just say "ok, I'll go to Malachor V, fall to the dark side, train this guy and blah blah blah" just cuz he said so, especially with her hating the Force. She would have to be really scared of him for her to do something like that. Even if Revan did send Kreia to kill Nihilus, he probably was busy and couldn't do it himself. Like I said, Nihilus is stupid and Revan is a brilliant tactician that can turn the tide of most any battle. If he really wanted Nihilus dead he would've done it himself in one way or another. And why send Kreia to train the Exile anyway? The Exile followed Revan before and the Exile respected him so Revan could just train the Exile himself right?

I really don't think Nihilus can use it right in combat and then walk up to someone and kill them or he would've done it to Kreia singlehandedly and then done it to Sion. I really think he has to concentrate on it and that would be hard while fighting. Besides, Lord Revan knows dozens of techniques to kill or turn Jedi/Sith. He used the one that the Exile did to Sion frequently for instance.

Now as for the reason the Exile could beat him, I really do like the idea but it's not a fact that he doesn't have the Force, he just uses it from others. Look at when he goes up to Nihilus, Kreia is far away, and if there are any other Force users they are down on the planet. The only person he would have to draw the Force from would be Visas and then wouldn't he only be as powerful as her? Couldn't Nihilus simply use his "eating" thing on her and the Exile would be powerless? Now granted he has a chain with Kreia and probably gets his power through her, but then couldn't Nihilus just do that to her through his chain? Couldn't he eat the Force flowing to him from her? They're supposedly like the same person and he did it to Kreia once anyway. Why wouldn't he do it to Visas either? My answer to all these questions: He can't do it to someone powerful enough. Kreia most likely got much stronger from when she was first Darth Traya and he had to have Sion help him anyway (Kreia could even move her lightsaber a bit with the Force still) and the Exile would be too strong to use his technique on as well. Since Revan is more powerful than both these two, with a much stronger Will, is far more strategic, and has more knowledge about the Sith, I'd say it's unlikely at best that Nihilus could use his technique and kill Revan.

Nihilus can do it n combat....Revan's down

Nihilus can beat anybody except for the exile in a duel...

Okay first up i'm just going to do this globally

About the Sion and Kreia thing

Why he needed Sion I don't know
Why he needed Kreia I dont'know either. But what is sure is that he used his power against her and after that let her live and not because she resisted but because he wanted to. He and Sion could have killed her easily after she was done, so that means he did not want her to die. He wanted her to live he must have had a reason for it, okay we don't know it but its there thats for sure.

On the Visas eating thing, yes but Like I said before Nihilus wanted her to live he needed her to see for him becuase he could not do so himself.

3. Ok you're probably right about the wound, but what about the last part I said, do you really think they could've boarded his ship, fought their way to the deck, and through Visas on their own? Very unlikely. They were probably just near and Nihilus drained their Force and they couldn't pilot their ships and hit a wall or something.

No because if that was the case the Jedi would not have send them there now would they? They obviously managed to fight their way through a shit load of people probably not Visas (to important for Nihilus) and then faced Nihilus and died. If he even used his defences on the few Jedi that were there.

Ahh, you didn't reply to my other parts, I worked hard on those! 😂

Still though - he shouldn't have needed Sion to beat Kreia. I know this has been addressed, but he theoretically should have been able to take her alone easily. Yet again, I know this has been addressed, but it seems like a legitimate event in the SW universe and is strange only in the fact that Sion was necessary with Nihilus.

Yep. That's proof enough right there that he's not invincible.

Originally posted by Darth L. Dipsit
Still though - he shouldn't have needed Sion to beat Kreia. I know this has been addressed, but he theoretically should have been able to take her alone easily. Yet again, I know this has been addressed, but it seems like a legitimate event in the SW universe and is strange only in the fact that Sion was necessary with Nihilus.

Nihilus basically wanted to eat everything and when Sion sees Kreia on the harbinger at the start of the game he says: "you are difficult to kill."

Yeah but Nihilus could easily destroy Traya with his special ability... But he probably wanted to see Traya suffer slowly so he brought Sion along... Brutal that Sion was to Traya...

So why did she live then? Why did he let Sion live if everything exists to feed his hunger?

trust me I would of kicked Nil's ass big time

IMHO.......They're both Lame.

Originally posted by Darth_DaNThEMaN
IMHO.......They're both Lame.

That was irrelevant and an unnecessary addendum considering you've never played KOTOR 1 or 2 and therefore really have no reason to post here.

Originally posted by Darth L. Dipsit
Still though - he shouldn't have needed Sion to beat Kreia. I know this has been addressed, but he theoretically should have been able to take her alone easily. Yet again, I know this has been addressed, but it seems like a legitimate event in the SW universe and is strange only in the fact that Sion was necessary with Nihilus.

Its not a bad point but you forget one very important thing.

He did all the work he pushed Kreia against the wall and knocked her out. Sion just stood there bashing her head against some more. She was knocked out that much is certain. So they had a reason to let her live, they wanted to let her live. If he had his technique or not doesn't even matter when she was in that possition they could have killed her.

I really have no answer for the Sion thing, I really don't. He had his reasons however.