I say bullshit since you know nothing about them, you didn't even know of Darth Revan's robes. You also hate everyone in the games and so you make sure you spam topics like these with useless posts like "IMHO... They're both lame." Yeah, that shows who would win in a fight. I'm not trying to be mean, but there's no point of it.
Okay, here's my earlier post exactly:
Again, why did he need Sion if he could just eat Kreia? There's no point. We've never seen him do it in combat. And why does Sion say "You are difficult to kill." to Kreia? As for her quote, she couldn't resist Malachor V either, Revan could. She didn't think it was possible to hear Bao Dur's thoughts either but the Exile did.
3. Ok you're probably right about the wound, but what about the last part I said, do you really think they could've boarded his ship, fought their way to the deck, and through Visas on their own? Very unlikely. They were probably just near and Nihilus drained their Force and they couldn't pilot their ships and hit a wall or something.
4. They continually say he went off to fight the Sith Empire, and have made such a big deal about it that they're not gonna say "oh it was all a lie" or something like that now. As for the unfinished game, it's not in the game, and if in the 'original' version he didn't necessarily send Kreia to do anything. Even if he did, think of that sentence right there, Kreia being told by Revan to do something and her doing it. Sure she liked Revan but she wouldn't just say "ok, I'll go to Malachor V, fall to the dark side, train this guy and blah blah blah" just cuz he said so, especially with her hating the Force. She would have to be really scared of him for her to do something like that. Even if Revan did send Kreia to kill Nihilus, he probably was busy and couldn't do it himself. Like I said, Nihilus is stupid and Revan is a brilliant tactician that can turn the tide of most any battle. If he really wanted Nihilus dead he would've done it himself in one way or another. And why send Kreia to train the Exile anyway? The Exile followed Revan before and the Exile respected him so Revan could just train the Exile himself right?
I really don't think Nihilus can use it right in combat and then walk up to someone and kill them or he would've done it to Kreia singlehandedly and then done it to Sion. I really think he has to concentrate on it and that would be hard while fighting. Besides, Lord Revan knows dozens of techniques to kill or turn Jedi/Sith. He used the one that the Exile did to Sion frequently for instance.
Now as for the reason the Exile could beat him, I really do like the idea but it's not a fact that he doesn't have the Force, he just uses it from others. Look at when he goes up to Nihilus, Kreia is far away, and if there are any other Force users they are down on the planet. The only person he would have to draw the Force from would be Visas and then wouldn't he only be as powerful as her? Couldn't Nihilus simply use his "eating" thing on her and the Exile would be powerless? Now granted he has a chain with Kreia and probably gets his power through her, but then couldn't Nihilus just do that to her through his chain? Couldn't he eat the Force flowing to him from her? They're supposedly like the same person and he did it to Kreia once anyway. Why wouldn't he do it to Visas either? My answer to all these questions: He can't do it to someone powerful enough. Kreia most likely got much stronger from when she was first Darth Traya and he had to have Sion help him anyway (Kreia could even move her lightsaber a bit with the Force still) and the Exile would be too strong to use his technique on as well. Since Revan is more powerful than both these two, with a much stronger Will, is far more strategic, and has more knowledge about the Sith, I'd say it's unlikely at best that Nihilus could use his technique and kill Revan.
ok, so because i dislike game characters in most aspects, that means ive never played them? wow, that is the smartest logic ive ever heard, really.
I would have to know about them to dislike them, or else i would have no reason to dislike them.
I never didn't know about Revan's robes, that was never brought up in conversation with me, and if it was, i dont recall, so copy and paste the part where i didnt know about it.
why would i lie about beating a game? sorry i offended your digital lover, but just because i dislike someone you happen to be in love with.....don't get ur panties in a bunch TooTs.
Originally posted by Darth_DaNThEMaN
ok, so because i dislike game characters in most aspects, that means ive never played them? wow, that is the smartest logic ive ever heard, really.I would have to know about them to dislike them, or else i would have no reason to dislike them.
I never didn't know about Revan's robes, that was never brought up in conversation with me, and if it was, i dont recall, so copy and paste the part where i didnt know about it.
why would i lie about beating a game? sorry i offended your digital lover, but just because i dislike someone you happen to be in love with.....don't get ur panties in a bunch TooTs.
lol, ok first I haven't seen you like any of the characters and you almost always think they will lose to whoever they're up against. Secondly, why would you play both games if you hate all the characters?
I will find it in the Revan vs. Vader thread and paste it.
You may have played it, but everything I've seen points that you haven't played either. As for in love, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. First I'm a guy and I'm not gay or psycho. I also don't fall in love with game characters, I don't know why you thought that but it's a little weird. Next, I don't have a problem if you don't like him, but coming here just to post I think they're both lame has nothing to do with the topic and has no relevance.
Couldn't Nihilus simply use his "eating" thing on her and the Exile would be powerless? Now granted he has a chain with Kreia and probably gets his power through her, but then couldn't Nihilus just do that to her through his chain? Couldn't he eat the Force flowing to him from her? They're supposedly like the same person and he did it to Kreia once anyway. Why wouldn't he do it to Visas either? My answer to all these questions: He can't do it to someone powerful enough. Kreia most likely got much stronger from when she was first Darth Traya and he had to have Sion help him anyway (Kreia could even move her lightsaber a bit with the Force still) and the Exile would be too strong to use his technique on as well. Since Revan is more powerful than both these two, with a much stronger Will, is far more strategic, and has more knowledge about the Sith, I'd say it's unlikely at best that Nihilus could use his technique and kill Revan.
There is a possiblity that the link because the Exile and Kreia would also excist threw Nihilus and Kreia it would make a lot of sense actually but you have to remember here kill Kreia and you lose somebody you wanted to live.
IMO she didn't become more powerful at all... In Kotor 2 she shows no sign of becoming more powerful except for the cut-scenes where she just uses her real power, for the rest of the time she was just limiting herself.
About once again not killing Visas, well I said it a hundred times already he wanted her to live. He did it before he would want it again.
And about him only getting power from people near him? I doubt it, every time he trains a Jedi he becomes more powerful whether near him or not. It really doesn't matter drawing can be done from far away too just look at Nihilus he ate a planet.
I already dealt with the rest of the post...
Personally Emp, I do want to believe you. I hope you are right but I just can't see any logic in it. Hope yes, but logic? Sorry just can't see it.
Originally posted by Emperor Revan
5. Funny how you mentioned Visas was the only one to survive the attack. Now he may have let her live purposely and it might even say that, I forgot but if she lived it's obviously not a perfect technique. As for him letting her live the second time, maybe but again that would be pretty stupid since I think he woulda killed her once he realized his "eating" technique didn't work on the Exile. Again why wouldn't he use it on her? Perhaps because she could resist it. I noticed you didn't comment on the whole Revan's will power being stronger than Kreia's argument. IMO that alone raises enough questions that I think Lord Revan has more going for him than Nihilus.
actually in Kotor 2 it was thought that visas quit possibly had a bond with nihilius, hence the reason for him not feeding on her.
Originally posted by Fishy
There is a possiblity that the link because the Exile and Kreia would also excist threw Nihilus and Kreia it would make a lot of sense actually but you have to remember here kill Kreia and you lose somebody you wanted to live.IMO she didn't become more powerful at all... In Kotor 2 she shows no sign of becoming more powerful except for the cut-scenes where she just uses her real power, for the rest of the time she was just limiting herself.
About once again not killing Visas, well I said it a hundred times already he wanted her to live. He did it before he would want it again.
And about him only getting power from people near him? I doubt it, every time he trains a Jedi he becomes more powerful whether near him or not. It really doesn't matter drawing can be done from far away too just look at Nihilus he ate a planet.
I already dealt with the rest of the post...
Personally Emp, I do want to believe you. I hope you are right but I just can't see any logic in it. Hope yes, but logic? Sorry just can't see it.
Well the fact that he needed Sion is enough to make me think Lord Revan would win. 🙄
It says they beat her together, he would've eaten her if he had an insatiable hunger like you say, notice he did jack once he was holding her power and yet she could still move her lightsaber a bit with the Force, and Lord Revan is more powerful than her. He resisted the Star Forge and Malachor V when even Kreia could not so I think he could resist Nihilus even if he had that ability as strong as you say. We've never seen Nihilus use his power to kill someone, just heard about it and those were against Jedi wusses.
You also didn't prove that the Exile doesn't have the Force, it only passes through him from others. Even in the game it says, he has reestablished HIS connection to the Force several times among others. Even if he does get his Force power from others, how could he surpass them? Why wouldn't Nihilus be able to drain it from him if it's passing through him?
He regains his connection with the force after Nihilus is dead... Its basically implied.
About the Kreia thing, would he use his full power on her when he wanted her to survive? Of course not.
And I know you think Revan is incredibly powerful he is, but even Revan is not more powerful then an entire planet filled with only force users and a lot of Jedi Masters. And Nihilus could eat that, so he doesn't really have a problem with eating a lot of power.
1. Implied when?
2. Why did he want Kreia alive?
3. Read the last chronicle on the KOTOR 2 website, it says the Sith assassins under Nihilus were responsible. I'm sure Nihilus helped, but he didn't do everything. Besides, this may sound stupid but if Kreia can kill three of them easily, and Revan is stronger, could he have not defeated all the Jedi there? Their powers aren't combined, not even Lord Revan could take that probably, which is why Nihilus could help out.
1.) By visas, by what other people see in him and the fact that picking up Nihilus mask gives you a more powerful connection to the force
2.) How shoudl I know? Fact is with or without his power to eat anybody in a second he could have killed Kreia and didn't.
3.) The game describes it as him eating the planet thats all I know.
And yeah Kreia killed three of the most poewrful masters at that time with one move of her hand, but thats only three. Revan woudl face a lot more.
Originally posted by Fishy
1.) By visas, by what other people see in him and the fact that picking up Nihilus mask gives you a more powerful connection to the force2.) How shoudl I know? Fact is with or without his power to eat anybody in a second he could have killed Kreia and didn't.
3.) The game describes it as him eating the planet thats all I know.
And yeah Kreia killed three of the most poewrful masters at that time with one move of her hand, but thats only three. Revan woudl face a lot more.
1. Just about everything gives you a stronger connection to the Force. you can raise your constitution by simply talking to HK-47, you can gain some Force points by talking to Kreia, that Ithorian gives you more Force points etc. What does what they see in Nihilus have to do with that?
2. We think. Bastila couldn't move when she used battle meditation. He probably can't when he eats things.
3. How many masters do you think were there? 5 council members survived, so at the most there would be 6 since Vandar would be dead and I think Vrook said Zhar and Dorak died in Malak's bombardment but I'm not for sure.
Nothing is known about Zhar and Dorak, and that was just a part of the council there were still others around and more masters... Barely a hundred survived after Revan left, lets say 70 of them lived at the time Nihilus ate that planet at most. Only about 10 survived that at most, probably only four. Still meaning that Nihilus ate anywhere between 60 and 66 people, at least at once.
That would take a bit more then 2 hands, it would take 23 and I doubt anybody could do that easily.
You are right the Exile gets a shit load of connections fast, but some of those are for leearning things others are for other people learning things.
And again Emperor there is nothing to suggest that Nihilus couldn't move... Nothing.