According to Lucas there are 2 Star Wars. Lucas's Star Wars and the Expanded Universe. Revan did not exist in Lucas's Star Wars and Yoda did so basically it's whoever you want to win and I know someone is going to try and make me seem wrong and say Revan would beat Yoda or vice versa.
Why don't you wright out your ideas on the battle. After all your fighting over the subject is pretty sad. You expect to really know who will win just by reading a bunch of stuff when in fact seeing and reading are 2 totally different things. Many people have made mistakes about their foes who seemed weak...you know Nepolean? Little short guy that became Emperor of France for a short peroid. Well just use your imaginations and you decide who will win.
Originally posted by General Zodiac
According to Lucas there are 2 Star Wars. Lucas's Star Wars and the Expanded Universe. Revan did not exist in Lucas's Star Wars and Yoda did so basically it's whoever you want to win and I know someone is going to try and make me seem wrong and say Revan would beat Yoda or vice versa.
Why don't you wright out your ideas on the battle. After all your fighting over the subject is pretty sad. You expect to really know who will win just by reading a bunch of stuff when in fact seeing and reading are 2 totally different things. Many people have made mistakes about their foes who seemed weak...you know Nepolean? Little short guy that became Emperor of France for a short peroid. Well just use your imaginations and you decide who will win.
You do know we're in the expanded universe section right?
And Lord DarqueLand: No, it was a total surprise when Malak revealed it to me. I guessed Kreia was a Sith lord though.
Originally posted by Fishy
You have brought up some good points about Yoda, but if what you say is true then Yoda can hardly be defeated by anybody.
Did you ever see someone getting close to defeat Yoda in a lightsaber duel ?
And of course Pre-cog isn't 100% accurate but it would give him an advantage. Just like Yoda has one, and you have to keep in mind that other people can also block Yoda his attacks or make Yoda block theirs. Add a faster person to that, more power, better reflexes and more experience and you might have somebody that can cut Yoda in half... Or not, if Yoda is trully as inmortal as you claim.
I don't claim Yoda immortal. Of course he is not.
I just say it would be very hard (harder than some people think) to defeat him in a lightsaber duel or just kill him by using force powers.
Still...we never saw anybody get close to kill Yoda not even to hit him (he never blocks strikes because he can simply avoid them) because as soon as he starts fighting his opponent is only defending.
I would still like to know if anybody ever fought a Yoda species and won and who it was... Anyways about that other thing.
There are only 3 of Yodas species in the SW universe (as far as I know). Yoda himself, Yaddle and Vandar. Yoda died in a natural way. Yaddle was blown up by a thermaldetonator (Jedi Quest novels - she wanted to protect Anakin), Vandar was killed on Katarr.
But some suggestions:
- their species is unknown...well some people think they are Whills (first species that discovered the force) so they could posess tons of power.
- Lucas himself said that if there ever will be another SW movie it would be about Yoda fighting Sith (so he must have the idea in his mind that Yoda did something like that)
- Take a look at their names. "Yoda" is taken from Sanskrit (yodda = "warrior"😉, Vandars name is islandic language ("sword" or "battle"😉. I think Lucas has done that with some intention.
No, the Rakatan did control it... They did until they started to get weaker in the force. Thats when they couldn't control and use the Star Forge anymore, the Rakatan Civil War started and the virus started appearing. The Rakatan lost all their power when they weakened in the and they quickly collapsed because of it. When they lost their connection to the force they lost the entire star forge.
The Rakatan did control it...erm...so they actualy had to be as powerful as Revan was ?
Hmm no, Yoda couldn't control the Star Forge but thats because he's lightside. I don't know if he could otherwise... First guess is no, not as good as Revan but i'm not sure. Still the Star Forge was described as a tool of awesome power, even if it didn't have the full power of a star. It could still mass produce droids in seconds that could each easily kill a normal Jedi Master. Malak controlled that power when he was defeated by Revan. Full star or not, it remains impressive.
If you have control over an empire would you be harder to kill in a duel than somebody who didn't have control over an empire but is a better swordfighter ? Things you control don't help you in a direct confrontation. The Star Forge didn't make Malak more powerful than he was without it.
Originally posted by Nai Fohl
[B]Did you ever see someone getting close to defeat Yoda in a lightsaber duel ?
No, but Dooku thought he could do it. He probably had a reason.
I don't claim Yoda immortal. Of course he is not.
I just say it would be very hard (harder than some people think) to defeat him in a lightsaber duel or just kill him by using force powers.
Still...we never saw anybody get close to kill Yoda not even to hit him (he never blocks strikes because he can simply avoid them) because as soon as he starts fighting his opponent is only defending.
Maybe it would be harder then beating most opponents, but Yoda can still be defeated. And I still think that Yoda would fall faster then Revan. It would probably be a very long fight however.
There are only 3 of Yodas species in the SW universe (as far as I know). Yoda himself, Yaddle and Vandar. Yoda died in a natural way. Yaddle was blown up by a thermaldetonator (Jedi Quest novels - she wanted to protect Anakin), Vandar was killed on Katarr.
Probably names are always based on something. But Malak is close to Malus which is evil in latin. Does that mean anything? Not really its just a name to describe them. A name hardly makes them all powerful.
But some suggestions:
- their species is unknown...well some people think they are Whills (first species that discovered the force) so they could posess tons of power.
- Lucas himself said that if there ever will be another SW movie it would be about Yoda fighting Sith (so he must have the idea in his mind that Yoda did something like that)
- Take a look at their names. "Yoda" is taken from Sanskrit (yodda = "warrior"😉, Vandars name is islandic language ("sword" or "battle"😉. I think Lucas has done that with some intention.
Their species is unknown and will always be unknown unless Lucas says it, speculation on the matter is useless if you ask me. And about what Lucas said, who cares he said he wouldn't make anymore movies after ANH and the OT then after the PT. Lucas changes his opinion a lot, for all we know he will make and SW 7 8 and 9 and Yoda wouldn't even be in it.
The Rakatan did control it...erm...so they actualy had to be as powerful as Revan was ?
Unknown maybe they didn't because they build it, maybe they could share its power and use it together or maybe they were. Nothing much is known about the Rakatan, but seeing as they were an entire species filled with the force that ruled the Galaxy and conquered other force users, including those on Korriban I wouldn't be surprised at all.
If you have control over an empire would you be harder to kill in a duel than somebody who didn't have control over an empire but is a better swordfighter ? Things you control don't help you in a direct confrontation. The Star Forge didn't make Malak more powerful than he was without it.
I agree with your statement, but its wrong... Being an Emperor makes you harder to kill not more powerful. Drawing power from something like the Star Forge makes you harder to kill and more powerful.
I'm getting sick of this there simply is basically nothing new you can say but here we go again hopefully this is the last time I will have to waste my life writing this,
They're equally fast, and yoda's size doesn't do much if anything as Revan knowing exactly where he would be would be able to put full speed and strength behind his strikes as he would be confident he would hit his target, the only reason people slow down their strikes against a smaller target is when they're worried about accuracy which Revan wouldn't be as he would know where yoda would be before he got there eliminating yoda's unpredictability and agility from being factors, and Revan definitley would not give away he knew where yoda was going before the right time as it would be sacrificing a huge advantage which is completely against what Revan would do. All that being said lets just call them equal.
Now force powers, assuming yoda can block all of Revans attacks, ( which he can't as some are simply unblockable, kreia said techniques plural not technique.) that he has knowledge of all Revans force abilities, (which he doesn't korriban and malachor were both forbidden from being visited by jedi and none of the sith had as much knowledge as Revan and those who came close wouldn't give it to strengthen the jedi.) and even assuming that Revan couldn't overwhelm yoda with sheer power ( sidious almost did it and Revan is MUCH MUCH more powerful.)
Then it comes down to a lightsaber duel where yoda has no clear advantages as explained above and Revan will always know exactly where he will be before he gets there which is a huge advantage, and in the end Revan uses a very strong lightsaber form whatever it is being either tulaks which if he's considered to be the best sith swordsman ever is pretty damn good especially compared to exar kun or ullic or malak or many others who were crazy with a saber, the closest I see a jedi coming to tulak would be mace if he gave himself fully to vaapad and even then we don't really know. Or as another possibility Revan could take the strengths of all he knows and make his own form which would make a lot of sence as why conform yourself to one form with exploitable weaknesses when you can take all the strengths of what you know and make a form with almost no exploitable weaknesses? In the end Yoda puts up a good fight but I'll have to stick with Revan.
This is the last time I'm going to post these arguements, unless someone comes up with something new I'm simply going to stop wasting my time repeating myself, please anyone whose defending yoda if you wish to post and you remotley think that it might get answered with these reasons or elaborations of these reasons save your time and mine and don't post.
Originally posted by Fishy
No, but Dooku thought he could do it. He probably had a reason.
Arrogance of course. He never defeated Yoda...no one ever defeated Yoda. That is clearly said in the movies as well as in the novels.
I agree with your statement, but its wrong... Being an Emperor makes you harder to kill not more powerful. Drawing power from something like the Star Forge makes you harder to kill and more powerful.
Can people actualy receive sheer force power from the Star Forge ? It gives you ships and droids when you are able to control it - ok. But I don't think it makes yourself more powerful. I would say it makes you weaker because you have to control it when it will kill you otherwise.
@Frobo:
You are right. It makes no sense repeating arguments but you got some of my points wrong.
The loss of speed of strength is nothing that you decide to do. It has nothing to do with confidence. It's a physical limitation. Just try it yourself and you will understand what my intention was.
Let me put some fire back into this thread with this quote pulled directly from wikipedia.
Yoda, standing only 2' 2" (0.66 m) tall, is one of the members of the Jedi Council and the wisest and most powerful Jedi Master in the Star Wars universe, even toward his demise, though the toll of his great age is noticeable.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoda
That should end it, but if it doesn't the dark is never stronger than the light and if Yoda is the strongest over NJO Luke nobody in the SW universe can beat him in his prime. Yoda in his prime is unbeatable, he beat Dooku in AOTC who is compared to be Tulak Hord the best Sith duelist, and he reflected Sidious's force power who I think has more sheer force power than Revan. Revan might be able to beat Sidious but Sidious's body could be disfigured from the force power he released and that's pretty damn powerful.
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In wikipedia it says that dooku might be a succsesor in dueling style but is never compared to tulak.
Sidious is a lot weaker than most sith lords, including revan.
"dark is never stronger than light" Where you get that from?Even so i
dont think it changed lots of minds...
You said that yoda is more powerful than njo luke? if thats not right plz
correct me cause i didnt understand that sentence.
There is nothing powerful in being disfigured from all the power sidious releases imho.
Originally posted by Apex512
Let me put some fire back into this thread with this quote pulled directly from wikipedia.Yoda, standing only 2' 2" (0.66 m) tall, is one of the members of the Jedi Council and the wisest and most powerful Jedi Master in the Star Wars universe, even toward his demise, though the toll of his great age is noticeable.
That should end it, but if it doesn't the dark is never stronger than the light and if Yoda is the strongest over NJO Luke nobody in the SW universe can beat him in his prime. Yoda in his prime is unbeatable, he beat Dooku in AOTC who is compared to be Tulak Hord the best Sith duelist, and he reflected Sidious's force power who I think has more sheer force power than Revan. Revan might be able to beat Sidious but Sidious's body could be disfigured from the force power he released and that's pretty damn powerful.
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Wikipedia doesn't solve everything. It's a good source of information and we already know Yoda was powerful. But if it's not coming from an official lucas site than it's not necessarily true. It says Yoda is the most powerful JEDI MASTER (nothing about most powerful being) but it says nothing about all time. Yoda was the most powerful of his time but not necessarily all time. If you think that's proof then check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revan
Look at how it says Revan is "Thought by many to be the most powerful SITH LORD (not a jedi master) of all time" That is far more likely to be true because it's an opinion, simply stating many people think he's the most powerful instead of saying this one IS the most powerful.
The dark side is more powerful than the light side, Lucas says so himself. You say Yoda can't be beaten yet did you see Episode 3? Yoda was beaten. Granted, most still consider Yoda to be more powerful but he is hardly invincible. Give actual reasons why you think Yoda could win, not "this website says so".
I said he can't be beat in his prime and if the dark is stronger than the light why do they lose in the end?
People thought Revan to be the most powerful leaving doubt about his superiority whereas with Yoda he is one of the most powerful Jedi. Revan was thought by many, but those many didn't know all the other Sith lords.
Why Yoda could win, he handles Dooku in lightsaber combat who was a great duelist and he reflects Sidious's lighting. Revan might be stronger than Sidious but I don't think anybody can use force lightning as effective as Sidious.
Kriea killed three Jedi masters of the old republic and Revan was stronger than her. I look at it like this...the Sith as time passes diminish in power because each one wants to be the strongest so they keep secrets, whereas the Jedi only want to "further the light".which means they improve over time.
Yoda has had ample time to perfect his techniques in combat and force knowledge, way more time than Revan and no matter how quickly Revan learned or how much potential Revan had he can't know more than Yoda. I don't think any one person knows more about the force than Yoda. Attaru has weaknesses but Yoda picked that form to master for a reason, and he probably tweaked it to make it better and accomadate his size. Probably why his attaru looks different than Qui-Gon's or Vrook's version.
Revan is at his best during this thread, and people think Yoda's at his best during the movies.
I look at it like this...
A carpenter builds houses and starts at 20 he gets really good by 30 and is amazing at 40 but at 60 even though he knows more about houses he can't build them the way he used too. That's how I see Yoda during the movies, and him using a cane makes it look even more like that. I think people like to believe he was at his best because he beat everybody he fought except for Sids(which shows how strong he was), now think if he can do that in the movies imagine him at around 500 to 600 years old.