Yoda(at his peak) VS Darth Revan

With less knowledge... Yoda wasn't a builder he was the guy watching it telling other people what to do. The older he got the more he knew and the better he could control the workers.

Workers being the force here.

how do you know revan is at his prime?? plus we dont even have enough info on revan to know whta he is capable in his prime.

Revan probably isn't at his prime and there is no reason to believe he ever used his full power in a fight, and he definitly never did for as far as we saw.

Originally posted by Apex512
I said he can't be beat in his prime and if the dark is stronger than the light why do they lose in the end?

People thought Revan to be the most powerful leaving doubt about his superiority whereas with Yoda he is one of the most powerful Jedi. Revan was thought by many, but those many didn't know all the other Sith lords.

Why Yoda could win, he handles Dooku in lightsaber combat who was a great duelist and he reflects Sidious's lighting. Revan might be stronger than Sidious but I don't think anybody can use force lightning as effective as Sidious.

Kriea killed three Jedi masters of the old republic and Revan was stronger than her. I look at it like this...the Sith as time passes diminish in power because each one wants to be the strongest so they keep secrets, whereas the Jedi only want to "further the light".which means they improve over time.

Yoda has had ample time to perfect his techniques in combat and force knowledge, way more time than Revan and no matter how quickly Revan learned or how much potential Revan had he can't know more than Yoda. I don't think any one person knows more about the force than Yoda. Attaru has weaknesses but Yoda picked that form to master for a reason, and he probably tweaked it to make it better and accomadate his size. Probably why his attaru looks different than Qui-Gon's or Vrook's version.

You give Yoda a bad name with your first two pathetic arguments. They're terrible but the others aren't too bad. Kudos for trying though.

1. You can't even argue this, the Dark side is stronger. Lucas wanted the light side to win so that's what happened. Vader was not stronger than Palpatine.

2. This is people in our world that think he's the most powerful so they would obviously know of the other Sith and it's thought by MANY, not some. Here, read this link and it says Revan is one of the most powerful sith lords of all time. It says Yoda is the most powerful Jedi, not being, and it does not say of all time. It's not like it even matters, again, this isn't from an official lucas site so it's not 100% true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedi_Civil_War

3. Revan can use Force lightning to kill dozens of Dark Jedi at one time. He can master it far beyond Sidious.

4. From what YOU said, the Sith get weaker so Sidious would be a pansy compared to Lord Revan and Sidious still nearly matched Yoda.

5. Yoda sat on his butt most of the time while Lord Revan fought constantly, increasing his power. Here's some info on Revan:

Revan was always powerful. Even as a padawan, his teachers were sure that he would become a champion of the Force. His master Kreia said "Revan was power. Staring at him was like staring into the heart of the Force.” Revan had a lust for knowledge, seeking out every piece of information he could about the Jedi.

Revan has the highest level of Battle precog, has the Will power to resist the Dark side of an entire planet that no one else (not even Kreia) could resist, controlled a star, is perhaps the greatest tactician ever, has enormously high potential, plunders all the knowledge he could from the Jedi temples, he plundered tombs, relics, artifacts, and knowledge from a planet sized Sith storehouse of knowledge, learned dozens of ways to kill or turn Jedi/Sith, fights for 6 years straight as the leader of one of the main forces in the two different wars against powerful opponents, killing Mandalore and the strongest Echani, and was considered by Kreia (Revan's mentor who could kill three Jedi council members at the same time with one use of the Force) to be the heart of the Force.

Then he loses all that power and becomes a Jedi again, he plunders Korriban, including the tombs of four very powerful dark lords, gaining their artifacts, learning from Tulak's holocron, killing two tarentateks at the same time by himself when just one could easily kill a Jedi, he killed everyone in a Sith academy that he started, he killed the best bounty hunter at that time, a Sith Lord, he killed hundreds of dark Jedi and assassin droids, defeated and killed his apprentice Darth Malak at least twice in a row, and became even stronger than he was during his first reign (first paragraph).

Then he recovers all his memories and knowledge from Malachor V, the Jedi temples, etc. increasing his power greatly from the second paragraph, before he goes to fight the ancient Sith empire single handedly.

Yoda didn't just join the order as the boss he had to work his way up, at one point he was the worker. Revan wasn't at his prime when he went in search of the Ancient Sith Empire? He had to be or else he would of used his "greater knowledge"(sarcasm) and not went at all to fight them.

Do we know of anything he did when he went there? Maybe you do but I sure as hell don't, maybe he killed them all maybe he did fighting the first one he found. How do you know?

And let the Sith dominate the galaxy? Now why would he do that?

It sounds like your a huge yoda fan boy apex form what im reading.

I just don't think Yoda would get handled the way you guys make it sound.

"Yoda Fan boy" 💃 💃 💃

Revan wouldn't just handle Yoda, this thread is like a bunch of EU fan boys bashing the movie characters 😛

I like EU, but some of the stuff people said is just plain stupid. Like earlier in the thread when people claimed Revan mastered all the forms and knew everything about the force. Maybe not you guys directly but that stuff was total BS. I don't know what Revan fought when he went to battle the ancient Sith but we also don't know what Yoda did before the movies except for vague glimpses. And don't get all defensive and start bashing me because I don't agree that Darth Revan is GOD. 😛

Revan isn't god, he would still defeat Yoda though.

Originally posted by Apex512
I just don't think Yoda would get handled the way you guys make it sound.

"Yoda Fan boy"

Revan wouldn't just handle Yoda, this thread is like a bunch of EU fan boys bashing the movie characters 😛

I like EU, but some of the stuff people said is just plain stupid. Like earlier in the thread when people claimed Revan mastered all the forms and knew everything about the force. Maybe not you guys directly but that stuff was total BS. I don't know what Revan fought when he went to battle the ancient Sith but we also don't know what Yoda did before the movies except for vague glimpses. And don't get all defensive and start bashing me because I don't agree that Darth Revan is GOD. 😛

I'm not bashing you for that, it's just that some of your reasons are retarded like Light must always win, we're just EU fans bashing movie characters and don't have anything to back it up, etc. I don't think the fight would be really easy, Yoda could hold his own.

And anyway, you haven't given one good reason why Yoda would win other than you like him. Nai Fohl's done an excellent job and the rest of us have argued good reasons why Lord Revan would win. You couldn't think of a good reason so you have to go around saying we're just EU fans that want to bash movie characters even though I listed 4 paragraphs of Revan's accomplishments in my last long post.

No, Revan doesn't know everything about the Force, no one does. But it's highly likely that he knows all of the forms, not mastered them all but can use them. We know Revan went to fight the ancient sith empire, we don't know what Yoda did before the movies mostly.

Lastly, don't ever put words in my mouth. I have NEVER said Revan is God or unbeatable (though earlier you said Yoda was unbeatable). I state who I think WOULD win, not who I want to win. I hate Kreia yet I know she would kick Maul's ass and Maul is one of my favorite characters. So don't make it look like we've said things we haven't, it makes you look like a newb.

Revan's pre cog won't allow him to predict Yoda's moves, pre-cog is like guessing at what somebody will do, somebody's already said that.

Revan killed 3 terentaks, but those beasts didn't seem that great to me, with Yoda's quickness he could just jump on their heads and use his lightsaber to decapitate them. Revan controlled the Star Forge a tool of great darkside power Yoda obviously wants nothing to do with the darkside. Revan fought in one of the most ruthless wars of all, well Yoda believes wars don't make you great. Revan plundered all the knowledge he could. Yoda doesn't seem the type to hord planets to greater his power. Yoda seems always calm and ready for whatever is thrown his way. Revan doesn't appeal to me the way he appeals to you. Just because you can't convince that Revan is better is no reason to call me a newb.

What you think is power is plundering planets and controlling stars and falling to the darkside, but I like Yoda because he doesn't want all of those things or maybe he does but he doesn't show it. I like the character of Yoda and the way he holds himself. He doesn't need stars or holocrons to know he is strong he just knows he is strong, one reason Sids said he was arrogant.

Hmm, this is a rather close match but I say yoda wins. Revan has never faced an opponent anywhere near as strong as yoda, unless he proves his worth in fighting instead of exaggerated claims,"heart of the force" I think yoda would not only beat him in knowledge and skill but overpower him as well.

Originally posted by Apex512
Revan's pre cog won't allow him to predict Yoda's moves, pre-cog is like guessing at what somebody will do, somebody's already said that.

Revan killed 3 terentaks, but those beasts didn't seem that great to me, with Yoda's quickness he could just jump on their heads and use his lightsaber to decapitate them. Revan controlled the Star Forge a tool of great darkside power Yoda obviously wants nothing to do with the darkside. Revan fought in one of the most ruthless wars of all, well Yoda believes wars don't make you great. Revan plundered all the knowledge he could. Yoda doesn't seem the type to hord planets to greater his power. Yoda seems always calm and ready for whatever is thrown his way. Revan doesn't appeal to me the way he appeals to you. Just because you can't convince that Revan is better is no reason to call me a newb.

What you think is power is plundering planets and controlling stars and falling to the darkside, but I like Yoda because he doesn't want all of those things or maybe he does but he doesn't show it. I like the character of Yoda and the way he holds himself. He doesn't need stars or holocrons to know he is strong he just knows he is strong, one reason Sids said he was arrogant.

Again, I don't care who you like more, but I think Revan would win. And that's not why I called you a newb, you should've read my post. Revan's battle pre-cog is not *guessing* what your opponent will do, it's knowing and planning ahead and Revan has the most advanced form of this. One of those tarentateks was more than a match for a Jedi. Revan killed two at the same time and then got far stronger after that. Only one other person could control the Star Forge, hundreds of other Sith died trying.

Oh and Vengeance: You obviously like to twist things around, exaggerate people's power and pretend others exaggerate. Kreia said exactly: "Revan was power. Staring at him was like staring into the heart of the Force." Go to Wikipedia and look up Revan, they almost got the quote right. Now please, stop exaggerating and stop accusing others of it. And you wanted me to prove his power? Here ya go.

Revan has the highest level of Battle precog, has the Will power to resist the Dark side of an entire planet that no one else (not even Kreia) could resist, controlled a star, is perhaps the greatest tactician ever, has enormously high potential, plunders all the knowledge he could from the Jedi temples, he plundered tombs, relics, artifacts, and knowledge from a planet sized Sith storehouse of knowledge, learned dozens of ways to kill or turn Jedi/Sith, fights for 6 years straight as the leader of one of the main forces in the two different wars against powerful opponents, killing Mandalore and the strongest Echani, and was considered by Kreia (Revan's mentor who could kill three Jedi council members at the same time with one use of the Force) to be the heart of the Force.

Then he loses all that power and becomes a Jedi again, he plunders Korriban, including the tombs of four very powerful dark lords, gaining their artifacts, learning from Tulak's holocron, killing two tarentateks at the same time by himself when just one could easily kill a Jedi, he killed everyone in a Sith academy that he started, he killed the best bounty hunter at that time, a Sith Lord, he killed hundreds of dark Jedi and assassin droids, defeated and killed his apprentice Darth Malak at least twice in a row, and became even stronger than he was during his first reign (first paragraph).

Then he recovers all his memories and knowledge from Malachor V, the Jedi temples, etc. increasing his power greatly from the second paragraph, before he goes to fight the ancient Sith empire single handedly.

Originally posted by Emperor Revan

Oh and Vengeance: You obviously like to twist things around, exaggerate people's power and pretend others exaggerate. Kreia said exactly: "Revan was power. Staring at him was like staring into the heart of the Force." Go to Wikipedia and look up Revan, they almost got the quote right. Now please, stop exaggerating and stop accusing others of it.

"The heart of the force" is obviously an exaggeration by kreia, the force is so great even revan is nothing within it.

You shouldn't believe everything Kreia tells you.

When do we learn that hundreds of Sith died trying to control the star forge, did I miss that part?

Everything that he killed was nothing to yoda, mandalore wasnt even a force user, the echani wasnt even a force user, malak was reasonably powerful but still not in yodas league, if these "real" sith are very powerful and revan fights and defeats them then revan has proven himself but untill kotor 3 I reserve judgement.

Firstly, Kreia was Revan's master. She knew Revan VERY well. What purpose would her 'exaggerating' bring? There's absolutely nothing to indicate that Kreia is 'exaggerating'.

And Apex512, yes you did miss that part. If you set Revan to dark side, go to Korriban, blow open the thick door with thorium charges and Bastila in her holocron says it.

Are you saying all Force users are stronger than all non-Force users? If so then you're wrong. Jango (not a Force user) killed many Jedi, including one trained by Dooku. Lord Revan killed hundreds of Dark Jedi and Sith assassin droids before fighting Malak and defeating him at least twice in a row. Malak is VERY powerful. He could control the Star Forge and killed many Jedi, defeated Master Kavar, etc.

So I ask you this: Who has Yoda fought that's in Revan's league? No one. Sidious sure as heck isn't. Not to mention Sidious is nearly as strong as Yoda.

Thank You for that bit of info, but Vengeance has a point about who Revan killed.

He beat non-force users, 3 force eaters, Malak, Bandon, and a bunch of weak dark jedi.

Yoda didn't kill but he did beat Dooku in combat and fought the emperor to a standstill. The emperor isn't Revan but he could beat Bandon, Malak, and those other weak jedi.