Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Wrong is subjective, what's wrong to you might not be wrong to others. If he's not doing anything with them while they sleep in his bed, it's not illegal and to me, not wrong. Doesn't equate to molestation.The kid choked in court allegedly, didn't know which story to tell.
-AC
yea its not wrong to me personally, as long as there was nothing happening and that he wasnt really in there, i dont got a problem. but most people would have a problem with their child sleeping in this guys bed. and it does come down to who the jury is going to believe.
that kid chocking in court, didnt help him and his brother at all! why did he chock, as you said, not sure what story he was going to tell him....
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Well.......even if he did sleep in Jackson's bed, it doesn't mean anything.If you think it's odd, fine. Doesn't mean he molested him though. I'm not picking at you, just clarifying.
-AC
i know it doesnt mean that anything happened, but people believe that a grown man sleeping in the same bed as a boy who isnt related or anything is wrong, just saying.
i do think its a little odd, and i never said that he was molested, truthfully i dont believe the boy....
Article by the Associated PressSanta Maria, CA - A former housekeeper at Michael Jackson’s Neverland ranch told jurors Thursday about a parade of boys who often stayed at the estate, among them Jackson’s accuser and his brother, who sometimes ran wild and trashed their living quarters toward the end of their stay.
Kiki Fournier was called by the prosecution to outline the relationships between Jackson and constant child houseguests who came through the property while she worked there.
She named nine children, including actor Macaulay Culkin, who came and went during her intermittent tenure from 1991 until she left in September 2003.
Fournier also said she saw Jackson at the dinner table with some children who appeared to be intoxicated, and another time she saw him at an outbuilding with local children, including some who appeared intoxicated. But she said she never saw Jackson give alcohol to a minor.
Under questioning by Deputy District Attorney Gordon Auchincloss, the witness said she observed the behavior of children change when they stayed a while at Neverland, which has an amusement park and zoo.
The more the children got “free rein,” the wilder and destructive they became, she said. She described Jackson as an indulgent host and suggested that children took advantage of him.
“With the absence of an authority figure, these children became wild, and without their parents there this became like Pinocchio’s Pleasure Island,” she said.
Jackson, 46, is accused of molesting a 13-year-old cancer patient at Neverland in early 2003, giving him alcohol and conspiring to hold the boy, his brother, sister and mother captive to get them to make a video rebutting a Feb. 6, 2003, documentary in which Jackson said he let children sleep in his bed but that it was innocent.
A polite boy, at first
Fournier said she remembered Jackson’s accuser as a polite boy at the beginning but then noticed that his room became “a mess.”
On cross-examination by Jackson lawyer Thomas Mesereau Jr., Fournier gave a vivid description of how the boy and his brother wreaked havoc in the guest quarters assigned to them. She said the destruction increased just before the family left Neverland for the last time, which occurred in March 2003.
But even before that, she said, the boy and his brother had “become demanding.”
She said they never seemed to like what was being served for dinner and would demand something different.
“There was no respect,” she said.
She also said she once summoned another maid to see the mess in the room where the two boys stayed.
“They were always sloppy,” she said. “But toward the end things were broken and it was a mess. ... There were things spilled, the refrigerator was a mess. It was like someone had gone in there like a tornado.”
Mesereau asked if it appeared to her that in the two weeks before the family left the boys were sleeping in their own quarters.
Fournier said she assumed they were, given how the place looked.
The prosecution contends the accuser was molested by Jackson in the pop star’s bedroom during the family’s last weeks at Neverland.
Its odd about how some people try to take advantage of things. Here in Australia the pay TV people with E-Entertainment, are using the trial as a sales aid, as in "subscribe now and get in depth, exclusive trial coverage", which really seems rather inappropriate. Not sure how many people though would by in just for that.
Originally posted by spidergrl
I havent really seen any, and I dont think I want to. You mean in the court room, or do you mean the events which michael jackson is trying to prove didnt happen?
i mean the courtroom, it just does not look real. Michael Jackson is innocent i can safely say that now, the prosecution is desperate, first i was keeping an open mind when this case started but after 14 days of trial i know that this case has been made up by the family. Maybe the family forced the kid to lie, but they are all lying and it is apparently a BAD CASE for the prosecution, not a weak one, A BAD ONE. The evidence they try to use in the trial gets proven wrong the next day. the accuser's brother said he saw pornographic material with jackson, but yet when he described the issue that he saw( the exact1) it was august 2003, way after the alleged molestation. first they tried to bring evidence that the kid's fingerprints were on the porn magazine but now they cant do that, because the prosecution is so dumb that they asked the accuser to look over the magazine and tell them if this is the 1 that mj showed them so of course his fingerprints are going to be on it now. I am just surprised that this case has managed to go to trial. its shocking it really is
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4370277.stm
He's late/sick again and he was crying as he came into the courtroom. I bet he isn't even eating anymore because they practically had to carry him in to help him walk.
I predict a conviction, and then suicide.