Michael Jackson Trial Discussion

Originally posted by bilb
Just seemed to be the way your argument was headed,, just cut you off at the pass.. 😛

Seeing as that's not where I was headed...might wanna cut yourself off at the pass.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Paedophiles often groom victims, parents and situations to make their task easier and to feel out perspective opportunities. This is well documented behaviour. They often are friends, family members or close associates of the victim who build up levels of trust or dependence in order that they may guilt and obligation on their victim. For kids guilt and obligations to people they love are respect are highly motivating factors.

Really? Well British paedophiles are obviously much much different to American paedophiles. A great amount of the cases I've ever seen here are males (or females) who abduct kids. So it's obviously down to differing points of reference. Even so, those actions and mannerisms can also be acted out by someone who actually does want to be friendly. If I approach a girl in a bar and talk to her, am I an automatic shady rapist based on the fact that rapists use the same technique?

Originally posted by KharmaDog
This so so far from fact that I can't believe you typed it. Although that does happen, generally it is a paedophile with additional mental problems that resorts to kidnapping and murder.

See above.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Paedophiles often stalk children for years, repeating offences over long periods of time. You are generalizing WAY too much. MJ is also accused of repeated offences on multiple victims.

Personally, I've not hear many cases of paedophilia where the assailant stalks his prey for a number of years. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, it does, just doesn't seem to be as common here as it apparantly is there.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Is it so important to you to feel as though you have "spanked" someone in a debate? I have seen you make that comment in different threads. What's worse is often you make that statement and it isn't true. Make your point and move one, I'm sure if someone sees that you have "spanked" someone else they will make a comment (as they often do). Save the victory dances for other venues, it is embarrassing to see here and often belittles any good point you have previously made.

No, it's a phrase. Just like when someone says "I win". It's just my way of making semi-comidic jibes at people, all in fun. People seem to not be able to take it as a joke, like most things on this site. You all seem to think that once a debate gets even slightly higher than room temperature and you're losing footing, that I am all of a sudden some megalomaniacal tyrant bent on forum domination. It's really really petty. Purely because I get along real well will many other combustible personalities on this site, coincidentally they know that I respect their opinion regardless of how fiercly I debate. Picking down what I'm putting up? Don't talk to me of embarassment, I don't really think you're one to talk about that with regards me/you....and you know what I'm refering to. But this is all off topic. As soon as people get past their own insecurities and realise that I back up my arrogance and I joke alot with it, we can move on.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Actually, whether you are aware of it or not, you do insult people. Snide remarks and jokes at the expense of others are insults. We all resort to insults at one point or another, be mature enough to realize that you do the same.

To insult, someone has to be insulted, correct? You're all just far too easily insulted, by now most people here are fully aware of how I conduct myself in debate and they know that I attack the debate not the person. If you choose to misinterpret that then it really is your own problem.

To be honest I find it kind of ironic, I make jokes and people get their tampons in a twist. PVS makes a comedic insult toward me and gets "You kill me dude".

Hypocricy isn't a river in Egypt.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
To be honest I find it kind of ironic, I make jokes and people get their tampons in a twist. PVS makes a comedic insult toward me and gets "You kill me dude".

Originally posted by PVS
just give it up kharma. i tried to explain this time and time again, and it fell on deaf ears...well...blind eyes in this situation.

and as far as being 'spanked'....well need i go on about that?
kinda reminds me of 'you got served' 😂

💃 yeah!!!! you like that!?!?!? 💃 lets see you top these moves! 💃 yeah!!! you dont want none of this!!!!💃

i have reviewed this post over and over and fail to find the insult...please point it out for me.

or perhaps its just a case of you being able to dish it, but not being able to take it 🙄 please get back to me on this.

and dry your tears sunshine 🙂

Clearly missed the word "comedic" in there, because I found it funny, not insulting. Coincidentally, the same way my words are mostly meant...yet are strangely received with literal insult.

Weird that, I said...weird that.

-AC

you should try making rape jokes in the gang non-biased thread.

...a comedic insult is still an insult buddy.
way to backpedal 😉

Missing the point.

I didn't take it as one. I took it in jest, I didn't sit here and say "Look, you're trying to insult me. You don't need to do that." Like SOMEONE.....well.......everyone actually. Because I know that's not what you were trying to do. I could have got underwear twistage and started moaning about it, I didn't. Just pointed something out. If I had said what you did, I wouldn't have got the same reaction, but I guess that's just the bias.

Who's backpedalling? Not me champ.

-AC

wow dude...denial is apparently a powerful tool and you weild it like a master.

so much typing and yet YOU have missed the point (although i know you didnt)

-you said i insulted you (in a funny way which you found nonoffensive...irrelevant as that is)

-i pointed out that i didnt insult you

really dude, you were in the wrong. its no big deal and i don't care. what does bother me is how you just cant admit EVER being inaccurate. perhaps you misread or read too much into it...whatever the case you made a false statement and cant seem to grasp the idea of what happened. i mean really,
is your head going to just explode from the pressure if you admit any fault at all?

I think it's clear you both have twistage going on.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Really? Well British paedophiles are obviously much much different to American paedophiles.

I would tend to doubt that, any psychological studies that I have researched regarding paedophiles has not been specific to country of origin.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri Don't talk to me of embarassment, I don't really think you're one to talk about that with regards me/you....and you know what I'm refering to.

You flatter yourself to think that you have embarrassed me. Annyed me with your arrogance yes, embarrassed me no.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
To insult, someone has to be insulted, correct? You're all just far too easily insulted, by now most people here are fully aware of how I conduct myself in debate and they know that I attack the debate not the person.

Actually you do attack people and their arguements and then talk about how we are all too sensitive. You do that in almost every thread that you debate in. Much like you have done here.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
To be honest I find it kind of ironic, I make jokes and people get their tampons in a twist. PVS makes a comedic insult toward me and gets "You kill me dude".

Maybe if your jokes were funny it would help?

Originally posted by PVS
wow dude...denial is apparently a powerful tool and you weild it like a master.

Thank you, thank you very much. Oh wait...no I don't, I don't even own that particular tool.

Originally posted by PVS
so much typing and yet YOU have missed the point (although i know you didnt)

-you said i insulted you (in a funny way which you found nonoffensive...irrelevant as that is)

-i pointed out that i didnt insult you

really dude, you were in the wrong. its no big deal and i don't care. what does bother me is how you just cant admit EVER being inaccurate. perhaps you misread or read too much into it...whatever the case you made a false statement and cant seem to grasp the idea of what happened. i mean really,
is your head going to just explode from the pressure if you admit any fault at all?

I never said you insulted me, I said you used a comedic insult. If I hurl insults at you, you're not insulted by default just because they're insults. If we're being technical, that's something I am a master of.

I wasn't in the wrong, you misinterpret and misquote and then claim how I'm in accurate. Not the way to go. You made a comment referencing me in a comedic and mocking way, I found it funny. I was merely pointing out that had I done so, people would be saying differently, because they would.

If you don't like what I have to say and don't like what I have to say on what YOU have to say, don't interact with me. None of my posts were directed at you until you got involved. Which you have the right to, but then don't complain when I pick you up on it. Because it wasn't on topic anyway.

-AC

Originally posted by KharmaDog
I would tend to doubt that, any psychological studies that I have researched regarding paedophiles has not been specific to country of origin.

Well I'm not going by thin air, so I suggest you live here for 19 years and then we'll chat again.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
You flatter yourself to think that you have embarrassed me. Annyed me with your arrogance yes, embarrassed me no.

Couldn't care less if I've embarassed you or not, you're embarassing yourself by getting worked up. I'm nothing more than a screen name and words to you, why get agitated? I sure hope this doesn't get to the point where you PM me relentlessly with pointless nothing, oh wait...

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Actually you do attack people and their arguements and then talk about how we are all too sensitive. You do that in almost every thread that you debate in. Much like you have done here.

No, sorry. I don't attack people. If you're gonna make claims like that, bring proof. I've not attacked anyone specifically in this thread, or anyone period. Stop making things out to be more than they are.

And no, I don't do it in almost every thread I'm in. Feel free to be right any time soon.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Maybe if your jokes were funny it would help?

Yeah, maybe if your posts included something on topic besides ONE part and you could get over your personal feelings toward me we wouldn't be in this mess. Well, I'm not.

-AC

a whole lot of typing, yet i just checked my webster's dictionary and the definition for 'insult' remains the same. perhaps you should write them and ask them to include:
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comedic insult (n)

comment referencing someone in a comedic and mocking way...but not an insult.

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now 'mocking' would have been accurate, since that was intended to be mocking in a constructive way, in that i thought that perhaps you would see the silliness in claiming to 'spank' someone in a debate. i guess i failed though. oh well

carry on then

Originally posted by PVS
a whole lot of typing, yet i just checked my webster's dictionary and the definition for 'insult' remains the same. perhaps you should write them and ask them to include:
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comedic insult (n)

comment referencing someone in a comedic and mocking way...but not an insult.

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now 'mocking' would have been accurate, since that was intended to be mocking in a constructive way, in that i thought that perhaps you would see the silliness in claiming to 'spank' someone in a debate. i guess i failed though. oh well

carry on then

I saw and completely realise the open ways in which you can make jokes on me saying I 'spank' people in debates. Hence why I said and will say again, that I found what you said funny. My point was, if I had said it, I wouldn't have been greeted with a "you kill me dude *laughy smiley*". It would have been more talking about how I insult and attack.

Hypocricy, as I said.

-AC

actually, so long as it didnt include attacks on someone's intelligence (which you have done) but rather a mocking of one's method, why would anyone be offended?

in no way did i imply that you are less intelligent than me, or beneath me in any way. just wanted to say "check yourself, you're being silly."

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Well I'm not going by thin air, so I suggest you live here for 19 years and then we'll chat again.
-AC

19 whole years, and I'm sure you were stringently following all such cases between the years one through 18. And if 19 years of life experience of living in the same location as you is what it takes for an opinion to matter than you must think higher of yourself than I originally thought.

I only speak from 4 years of university study, time spent police training, and the experiences of friends still on the force. But my bad, I'll try and find a highschool kid from your neighbourhood to debate the topic, apparently in your eyes they are the most qualified.

I tried to interact with you as though you were an adult, my mistake. Now back on topic.

Originally posted by PVS
actually, so long as it didnt include attacks on someone's intelligence (which you have done) but rather a mocking of one's method, why would anyone be offended?

in no way did i imply that you are less intelligent than me, or beneath me in any way. just wanted to say "check yourself, you're being silly."

Attacks on people's intelligence? Show me where I launched these attacks please. On the second notion, good job I wasn't offended and no, I'm not being silly. However, like I said, crazy ol' AC over steps the bounderies.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
19 whole years, and I'm sure you were stringently following all such cases between the years one through 18. And if 19 years of life experience of living in the same location as you is what it takes for an opinion to matter than you must think higher of yourself than I originally thought.

Obviously missed the point I made. We can't go by what we do not know, correct? What I know is that over here, many cases aren't "This paedophile was a great friend of the family and stalked the kid for many years" as you are implying is the common way.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
I only speak from 4 years of university study, time spent police training, and the experiences of friends still on the force. But my bad, I'll try and find a highschool kid from your neighbourhood to debate the topic, apparently in your eyes they are the most qualified.

4 years of university, police training and friend experience and you still believe that worldwide the most common path of paedophilic activity is to continually stalk the kid for years, and that abduction is rare? Terrifying.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
I tried to interact with you as though you were an adult, my mistake. Now back on topic.

As long as you're saying things that I have a say on, I'll reply. Don't kick off what you aren't prepared to finish.

Secondly, noticed how you dodged a large bulk of my post. Let's not speak of who's of adult mind and who isn't, because we know who has been the least mature of us both. Lest we forget who was PMing who continually and who was the one who suggested it was pointless and should end.

Yes exactly.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

4 years of university, police training and friend experience and you still believe that worldwide the most common path of paedophilic activity is to continually stalk the kid for years, and that abduction is rare? Terrifying.

Yes that's exactly what I sad, oh waite, no it wasn't. Actually I didn't say anything like that at all. What a childish exageration.

I sad that the majority of paedophilics are known adn trusted by their victims. There are far more children sexually abused then kidnapped, sexually abused and then murdered. But if you need to twist words to make a point, feel free, it''s a free world.

As for pm'ing you so many moons ago, you have obviously mistaken my interest in trying to resolve a situation with something else. I had forgotten it, but apparently you did not, that's interesting.

I am willing to move on so this topic does not get closed. However, I would guess that you must have the last word to make you feel better about yourself, so say something that makes you feel superior and then move on.

Originally posted by PVS

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Yes that's exactly what I sad, oh waite, no it wasn't. Actually I didn't say anything like that at all. What a childish exageration.

Breathe man, chill.

You believe that paedophiles, generally, with mental problems and additional problems are the ones who abduct. You said "although it does happen" in relation to me saying paedophiles kidnap. It's, from my experience, the most common kind. If it's not the same where you are, then fine.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
I sad that the majority of paedophilics are known adn trusted by their victims. There are far more children sexually abused then kidnapped, sexually abused and then murdered. But if you need to twist words to make a point, feel free, it''s a free world.

I wasn't saying that murdering is a factual occurance. It's a common one when kids go missing here, they often turn up dead. In your case a majority of paedophiles are known and trusted. In most of the cases I've ever heard, it's been some random man. Here, it seems that family/friend orientated paedophila is the uncommon one.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
As for pm'ing you so many moons ago, you have obviously mistaken my interest in trying to resolve a situation with something else. I had forgotten it, but apparently you did not, that's interesting.

I am willing to move on so this topic does not get closed. However, I would guess that you must have the last word to make you feel better about yourself, so say something that makes you feel superior and then move on.

I didn't forget it because it struck me as ironic that someone so against insults and high and mighty attitudes would be PMing me continually after I repeatedly tried to end the situation.

Anyway, I'm not determined to have the last word on anything and I think it's childish that your resorted to the "I'll just post why he wants the last word, although it's false, so that it makes him look bad by default" technique. We're still discussing child molestation, it's not drastically off topic to the point of thread closure.

So if you want to reply to my posts about paedophila, go for it.

-AC