Iceman (full potential) vs. Superman

Originally posted by Avlon
Simply put. You need to stop being a fool. The faux attitude and hilariously bad pseudo scientific babble your spouting as fact since you have no real proof of anything isn't helping your case.

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/891/28797729xc4na9.jpg

The scan destroys your argument on all levels. The attack was instant.

"He should be in full chrono suspension, but he's resisting it"

Next panel Superman is out.

Your kryptonite argument fails...since Supes doesn't have a weakness to ice.

Yea, It's hilarious. Even with that scan (which superman broke out none the worse for it) they must be debating that bobby has unlimited endurance too. LOL

Maybe next time they'll use scientific babble to explain the omega beams that superman resisted and HV'd away...or how Superman was warping reality with Dominus, or how he punched through death, or how he rubbed his hands to seal a reality rip...or how his body resisted a double black hole...etc.

I'm sure there are plausible scientific explanations for that. LOL

Don't scare me like that.

Iceman wins this.

Stalemate or
Supes wins (bfr or cis off disintegration).

The reason Iceman wins this fight is because Superman's phsyology is too close to the human body. Meaning for life to exist moisture has to be present. If Iceman has realized his full potential he could freeze all the moisture in Superman's body in effect killing him. I know people don't want to hear it, but even Superman has limits.

Iceman can't be disintegrated as long as there is moisture around, and he can freeze all moisture in Clark's body like Siafon said, he could even do it much simpler by freezing the blood flow to Clark's brain, like he easily did to Emma, and he was not near his full potential then.

Reaching his full potential he still couldn't freeze the moisture inside Superman's body, why? Marvel say that reaching his potential would make him immortal, and put him on the Phoenix's level of power. (Jean Grey Phoenix) He would have the power to control moisture on an atomic level, complete control over it. But against Superman he wouldn't, why?

I was agreeing with you.

my fault I apologize. I..never mind.

Originally posted by SIAFON
The reason Iceman wins this fight is because Superman's phsyology is too close to the human body. Meaning for life to exist moisture has to be present. If Iceman has realized his full potential he could freeze all the moisture in Superman's body in effect killing him. I know people don't want to hear it, but even Superman has limits.

Iceman can only affect things indirectly through manipulating h20 molecules. Without h20 molecules he can't exist. Superman hasn't been proven to be made out of any h20 molecules. And obviously Superman's physiology isn't even close to a human (accept in looks) this is because his skin is harder than diamond, can shoot lasers out of eyes, can fly, can blow sub zero temperatures out of mouth, etc.

Full Potential Iceman wins this fight.

Superman hasn't been proven not to be made out of H20, and considering that he bleeds, sweats, and can cry. Iceman can manipulate his blood, freezing it in his veins, his tears, and his sweat, and just about every other fluid in his body. And Kryptonian physiology is very closely related to baseline humanity, save for several unidentified organs with unconfirmed uses.

By the way, his skin isn't harder than diamond, he has a psionic skintight body field.

Originally posted by KingD19
Iceman can't be disintegrated as long as there is moisture around, and he can freeze all moisture in Clark's body like Siafon said, he could even do it much simpler by freezing the blood flow to Clark's brain, like he easily did to Emma, and he was not near his full potential then.

Also know that Superman has control over his molecules. This is why he doesn't freeze in deep space. He also has resisted transmutation before. So Iceman directly trying to manipulate his being will only be countered with a force that prevents it (assuming his being is made of h20).

Originally posted by KingD19
Superman hasn't been proven not to be made out of H20, and considering that he bleeds, sweats, and can cry. Iceman can manipulate his blood, freezing it in his veins, his tears, and his sweat, and just about every other fluid in his body. And Kryptonian physiology is very closely related to baseline humanity, save for several unidentified organs with unconfirmed uses.

By the way, his skin isn't harder than diamond, he has a psionic skintight body field.

No! The body field adds to his durability. Every thing from his organs to his indestructible hair is harder than a diamond. I don't see humans having powers under a star. Thus there is no comparison here. Even so then it still doesn't prove he is made of water. He could be made of ammonia or even liquid nitrogen. Also Clark without his powers is not the same as Clark with is powers. A total different makeup indeed. Just look at the scan that shows Supes insides. A pure nuclear reactor that is splitting atoms constantly. Now ordinary humans and Kryptonians don't have anything like that now do they?

Originally posted by KingD19
Superman hasn't been proven not to be made out of H20, and considering that he bleeds, sweats, and can cry. Iceman can manipulate his blood, freezing it in his veins, his tears, and his sweat, and just about every other fluid in his body. And Kryptonian physiology is very closely related to baseline humanity, save for several unidentified organs with unconfirmed uses.

By the way, his skin isn't harder than diamond, he has a psionic skintight body field.

Kryptonian physiology isn't THAT similar to humans. there are more than just a couple of differences...

its a combination of natural durability and the bio aura. it isn't just the bio aura.

also, can't prove a negative. it's up to people to prove that he is made out of h20, not the other way around...

Originally posted by Raoul
Kryptonian physiology isn't THAT similar to humans. there are more than just a couple of differences...

its a combination of natural durability and the bio aura. it isn't just the bio aura.

also, can't prove a negative. it's up to people to prove that he is made out of h20, not the other way around...

Originally posted by Starscream M
he has blood, his cells are organic, he has saliva, etc...all these indicate he is made up of h20

no. they indicate that certain parts of him are made up of things SIMILAR to h20. just because we haven't found an alternative doesn't mean that one doesn't exist. kryptonians are aliens, after all...

Baseline Iceman has proven to possess the ability to manipulate heat exchange reactions chemically. There was no indication that he was limited to H20. And while this has occurred only twice in his career to my knowledge, we are theorizing a FP Iceman, not a normal Iceman, right?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Baseline Iceman has proven to possess the ability to manipulate heat exchange reactions chemically. There was no indication that he was limited to H20.

of course. i'm not limiting it to that, not at all.

And while this has occurred only twice in his career to my knowledge, we are theorizing a FP Iceman, not a normal Iceman, right?

therein lies the problem. we're basically using a character that hasn't been shown in any way consistently on panel. the fact that this thread is still open in itself is just plain silly imo. i don't want to see more and more of these "full potential" threads, because they end up being nothing more than baseless speculation...

Iceman has shown the ability to manipulate chemical reactions as well as kinetic energy(I think.).

Iceman has shown abilities other than manipulating moisture etc. Iceman is an extremely powerful character, who should get more respect from Marvel in my opinion.

Either way, Iceman wins here.

Originally posted by Raoul
of course. i'm not limiting it to that, not at all.

therein lies the problem. we're basically using a character that hasn't been shown in any way consistently on panel. the fact that this thread is still open in itself is just plain silly imo. i don't want to see more and more of these "full potential" threads, because they end up being nothing more than baseless speculation...