Originally posted by Vanlore
They are not arguing it is fluid rather the content of it.
But the thing is any kind of moisture in supes body would get affected, its just that simple. Thats what they need to understand and stop bring up this crap about bobby not causing any harm because he has the potential and experience to hurt superman and BAD. Everything that they are saying is nothing but wet dreams.
Originally posted by carver9
Read more on bobby before debating against him, that wont work on him. Theres nothing in superman power that is stopping bobby.I dont know why people debate against you when you dont know what in the hell you're talking about.
I know more then you do by a great deal, you constantly lowball clark in every and all threads inspite of mod warnings. Physically if bobby's solid body is destroyed it will limit him greatly...and bobby really doesn't have a thing he can do to clark.
Originally posted by carver9
But the thing is any kind of moisture in supes body would get affected, its just that simple. Thats what they need to understand and stop bring up this crap about bobby not causing any harm because he has the potential and experience to hurt superman and BAD. Everything that they are saying is nothing but wet dreams.
While I agree with your conclusion I was merely correcting your statement about "fluid"
Originally posted by Makky
I know more then you do by a great deal, you constantly lowball clark in every and all threads inspite of mod warnings. Physically if bobby's solid body is destroyed it will limit him greatly...and bobby really doesn't have a thing he can do to clark.
Actally it has no effect on his abilitiy to use his power what so ever. And you could say he is even more powerful in that form. Lol the more you talk the more you show your ignoarance. After these statments it would be safe to say that people can just ignore your statements as you just basicly pull this stuff out of your arse and throw it out here..
Originally posted by Makky
We should also note supes has already used his HV offensivly in extremly effective ways, thus melting Bobby wouldn't be a problem.
You demonstrate you even lack such basic knowledge that even people that don't read the comics grasp.
Originally posted by Makky
So Bobby will do something he's never demonstrated on someone who can't be frozen, you've demonstrated delusion on a massive scale.
No you are showing your ignorance because you are saying he has demonstrated not using his powers effectively changing in different forms. lol and my statements never addressed superman in my reply to your ignorance. I was merely telling you common knowledge of Iceman. Just like its common knowledge that superman flys.
I was not debating superman with you. I was pointing out that you lack basic knowledge to debate lol.. Do you speak english? just asking...
Originally posted by Makky
So Bobby will do something he's never demonstrated on someone who can't be frozen, you've demonstrated delusion on a massive scale.
Originally posted by LDHZenkai
Superman can be frozen...it happened on panel...it's posted in this thread somewhere. We've gone over this like 100 times already. And obviously he will do something he's never done on panel since this is him at full potential (which has only been stated on panel not shown). And he has gone inside of people and frozen them and he has shown that being broken in his ice form doesn't stop him because he can reform. And the heat vision melting bobby thing you keep talking about isn't going to work because he can exist as a gas....one that superman can't see because it's just water....which is always in the air.
It was shown to be tried and having failed actually.
For you h1a8 so our little debate does not get buried...
Originally posted by h1a8
Well we know that Superman doesn't need to consume h2o nor does he necessarily needs it to live.
I have pointed out the distinction between needing something to live and needing to consume something in order to live. Your statement is pure ignorance because you blatantly ignore the logic of my statement with the word "necessarily".
Necessarily is a form of speculation. If we use that speculation based on the facts that we do know and deduct what we don't know, than in theory he does need H20 for not being a pile a dirt as I have already listed the Facts this theory is based on and yet you still fail to use facts for your dogma that he "necessarily" does not need it. Yes both are possible. One is based on facts "my theory" one is not a theory but a mere possible alternative (your statement.)
The facts I am basing my "theory" that supermans body makes or recycles H2O rather than a different substance for "moisture" is from his commonly understood weakness the times he has lost his powers. The fact that he is similar to us. The fact that his home planet was formerly a lush garden world. The fact that you have no theory to replace mine. If you have a better theory than by all means tell us about it. If you do not have a different theory than the next logical step would be to accept the current one. I could list many more facts for basis if you want??
Originally posted by h1a8
I disagree. Non proven or verified theory doesn't have to be accepted as truth. It is all a matter of opinion and not fact.
Umm... If it was proven or verified than it would not be a "THEORY" anymore it would be a fact... HELLO!!! Do you even know what a theory is? A theory is a concept that is not yet verified but that if true would explain certain facts or phenomena.
So you do not accept our Gravitational Theory? lol... Wait you will probability confuse this so ill explain it for you.
Well, "Gravitational Theory" is our explanation of the phenomenon we know as 'gravity'.
It is a law of gravity that if you drop an object here, it will fall to the ground, but it is Gravitational Theory that explains how and why this occurs.
Gravity is a law, but we understand and explain it through a theory. It is both ; )
Ah just about all vs comics is based on some basis of speculation. So your saying no matter what logic tells us that you are not going to follow the logic of it because it is not a fact as in proven or maybe even the absolute truth. Well you should not be debating in any comic vs threads then.. The fact that you state this rule of your reasoning and then will defend superman in "every vs thread" would lead me to believe that you are as biased as you claim other people are that you don't even know.
Which I might add is purely "speculation" based from what you have read which would be a logical theory. And then say I am not smart because I wont insult people on the basis of theory derived by the facts of peoples statements.
But you yourself do not accept that reasoning as you state but then use it to argue that people are biased. Talk about a double standard. So only people that agree with you are able to form theory's such as who is biased and who is not or does superman make is own H20 or ignore that logic and accept the alternative suggested based on 0 facts. but anyone who disagrees with you via your own logic is not accepted because it is not fact or absolute truth. And yet you use less than theory to argue and instead just merely make suggestions and use them over logic. If you was doing this in a court of law to argue the intent of someone or motive they would laugh at you..
Originally posted by h1a8
Lies. The scan showed no evidence of this. One scan verified that Iceman indirectly controls heat gradients by cooling the surrounding air.
It clearly states he is bypassing everything els and freezing it via the direct source.. Now what is the direct source???......
Originally posted by h1a8
There is no logic in theory or speculation. True logic is based off deduction and fact.
HAHAHA!!!! There is NO logic in theory????? You are truly lost at this point and would need a full education at this point to bring you up to par. Did you know that fact and deduction are also means to form a theory?
Originally posted by h1a8 I speak the truth. Mostly posters on here are guilty of being either Marvel bias or D.C. bias. Just read through most of these threads and you can easily find who is Marvel bias and who is D.C. bias. If not then you are not very smart. You would also see that Marvel bias dominates D.C. bias. [/B]
By your quote above this one you just said that your last quote here is illogical..lol I'll let you think about that..
Also Iceman wins..
Originally posted by LDHZenkai
Hasn't superman been dehydrated by atomic bombs before or something like that? How did they dehydrate him if he doesn't have water in him? And he stated on panel that he could feel his blood freezing.....so either way whatever is in his body can be frozen according to superman himself.
Also this is a valid point. Arguing what fluid superman uses for moisture is Irrelevant in the first place. Since his blood has been shown to be effected via cold as an indirect source. While scans show Iceman is able to accomplish such feats by different means via direct source.
Originally posted by Vanlore
It has been shown by indirect means 'as in around is body to cause his blood to slow down. Direct means and at the source as in kinetic energy with iceman at full potential would freeze cleark most likely.
Direct means actually... and his body adapted near instantly. ie..the attack failed...
Originally posted by Avlon
It was shown to be tried and having failed actually.
Originally posted by Avlon
Direct means actually... and his body adapted near instantly. ie..the attack failed...
This is complete in utter babble on no basis. First of all Direct in the context we are debating means to directly control the spin of a particle.
How did you conclude his body would adept instantly from a direct command of his kinetic energy to halt. When it shows him crying in pain for several minutes via indirect stimulation? 🤪
Originally posted by Vanlore
This is complete in utter babble on no basis. First of all Direct in the context we are debating means to directly control the spin of a particle.
Proof that it wasn't direct? Yea..I thought so...
Originally posted by Vanlore
How did you conclude his body would adept instantly from a direct command of his kinetic energy to halt. When it shows him crying in pain for several minutes via indirect stimulation? 🤪
Hmm..perhaps because:
A: It's not easy to freeze someone on his durability level who's body can easily generate hotter than the sun vaporizing temps.
B: His body adapted and rendered the attack useless.
C: All you still have is speculation. 🙂
It has been shown by indirect means 'as in around is body to cause his blood to slow down. Direct means and at the source as in kinetic energy with iceman at full potential would freeze cleark most likely.
Originally posted by Avlon
Direct means actually... and his body adapted near instantly. ie..the attack failed...
This is complete in utter babble on no basis. First of all Direct in the context we are debating means to directly control the spin of a particle.
How did you conclude his body would adept instantly from a direct command of his kinetic energy to halt. When it shows him crying in pain for several minutes via indirect stimulation? 🤪
Originally posted by Avlon
Proof that it wasn't direct? Yea..I thought so...
And this refutes your fallacy how??? Also....
Why would I try and prove that direct in this context is not direct?? As it being direct is a good thing for Iceman lol.... Are you arguing that Iceman wins now lol?
How did you conclude his body would adept instantly from a direct command of his kinetic energy to halt. When it shows him crying in pain for several minutes via indirect stimulation?
Originally posted by Avlon It's not easy to freeze someone on his durability level who's body can easily generate hotter than the sun vaporizing temps.
Hmm and since he was frozen and crying about his blood slowing down from a 'indirect' blast that was not sustained. Than a Direct effect that is greater and also continually applied would definitly freeze him solid. Thanks you just proved our point...
Originally posted by Avlon All you still have is speculation.
Wrong we have the fact of superman crying being froze by indirect means that was just one quick blast and not continualy sustatind... KK thanks try again..
All you have is incoherant rambing with no basis..
Originally posted by Vanlore
It has been shown by indirect means 'as in around is body to cause his blood to slow down. Direct means and at the source as in kinetic energy with iceman at full potential would freeze cleark most likely.
No scan = babble..next.
Originally posted by Vanlore
This is complete in utter babble on no basis. First of all Direct in the context we are debating means to directly control the spin of a particle.
More babble..next.
Originally posted by Vanlore
How did you conclude his body would adept instantly from a direct command of his kinetic energy to halt. When it shows him crying in pain for several minutes via indirect stimulation? 🤪
No scan.. useless conjecture..next.
Originally posted by Vanlore
And this refutes your fallacy how??? Also....
Because you have nothing but useless speculation vs a scan? Next...
Originally posted by Vanlore
Why would I try and prove that direct in this context is not direct?? As it being direct is a good thing for Iceman lol.... Are you arguing that Iceman wins now lol?
Because that's your claim? Duh. Next...
Originally posted by Vanlore
How did you conclude his body would adept instantly from a direct command of his kinetic energy to halt. When it shows him crying in pain for several minutes via indirect stimulation?
Crying in pain..lol. I'll tolerate your posts just because they are so hilarious.
Originally posted by Vanlore
Hmm and since he was frozen and crying about his blood slowing down from a 'indirect' blast that was not sustained. Than a Direct effect that is greater and also continually applied would definitly freeze him solid. Thanks you just proved our point...Actually, a post of mine quite a bit back in this thread already adress all this. Too bad you're too involved in yourself to notice such things. Repeat babble is not necessary.
[QUOTE=11711810]Originally posted by Vanlore
[B]Wrong we have the fact of superman crying being froze by indirect means that was just one quick blast and not continualy sustatind... KK thanks try again..All you have is incoherant rambing with no basis..
You debate a made up character with no scans and nothing but pure conjecture and comic book science and speak of babble.
Just LOL.
Originally posted by Avlon
No scan = babble..next.More babble..next.
No scan.. useless conjecture..next.
Because you have nothing but useless speculation vs a scan? Next...
Because that's your claim? Duh. Next...
Crying in pain..lol. I'll tolerate your posts just because they are so hilarious.
You debate a made up character with no scans and nothing but pure conjecture and comic book science and speak of babble.
Just LOL.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Thats false. He flash froze Vanisher and stopped him from teleporting. When he and other X-Men went to another time to fight Legion, Iceman flash froze him from the inside out. Those are just a couple of examples.You cant say that because we've never seen full potential Iceman attempt it and fail. Absolute zero is -273C and current Iceman got to -200 before Cable told him to stop. This was also with no assistance. It would be easier and faster for a full potential Iceman to achieve said temperatures.
Bobby has been disintegrated before and he just reformed.
Instantly implies to Superman and not to someone of human reflexes.
Note: It takes Bobby many seconds just to reach -100C. He can probably reach -20C almost instantly though.
The rule is if someone hasn't been stated or shown an ability relevant to them performing a specific feat then they can't do it.
Superman can't shoot ice beams from his eyes, Hulk can't fly, and Iceman can't reach absolute zero.
And bobby has never been disintegrated. He has been vaporized. Big difference.
Originally posted by h1a8
Instantly implies to Superman and not to someone of human reflexes.
Note: It takes Bobby many seconds just to reach -100C. He can probably reach -20C almost instantly though.The rule is if someone hasn't been stated or shown an ability relevant to them performing a specific feat then they can't do it.
Superman can't shoot ice beams from his eyes, Hulk can't fly, and Iceman can't reach absolute zero.And bobby has never been disintegrated. He has been vaporized. Big difference.
Originally posted by LDHZenkaieven iceman at full potential hasn't done the things some of the people are suggesting in this thread.
You sir have missed the part where it states iceman at full potential. That is the whole purpose of the thread. If it were current iceman superman could probably fly in and pick him up in his ice form and bfr him into the sun. But if we're going to full potential then the full potential of someone who can absorb thermal energy and has shown no limit to the amount he can absorb (he froze heat vision beams before) then the logical assumption would be he can create absolute zero. You are arguing a completely different debate other than the one specified by the OP.