Iceman (full potential) vs. Superman

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Originally posted by Superherovandal
It may be skintight but it still covers every individual cell in his body including his bloodcells.

how would you know this though.

Besides, can Supes survive dehydration? Suppose Iceman became all the water in every cell of Supeses body, and then just exited the cells, leaving them all shrunken and dry. No water = Shriveled Supes.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
It may be skintight but it still covers every individual cell in his body including his bloodcells.

Of course it does, that's why his body can metabolize and circulate the nutrients from air, food, water, and other beverages... 🙄

Clark's Kryptonian body is already hardier than a normal human, and this hardiness is quite enhanced by metabolizing the solar energy he's absorbed into his body. It takes a lot to hurt the Man of Steel, thus why he's called the Man of Steel. The most extreme of conditions would still hurt the man and there are beings out there like Doomsday that can put the pain on the man. The solar energy is redirected by his body to his aura, making him almost completely impervious to normal damage. The aura will offer some protection as well to anything he's wearing that is close-fitting, but that's the extent of the protection to other things that it gives. His invulnerability is proportional to how much solar energy he has stored, although it caps at a certain point. When he loses access to solar energy or is affected by Kryptonite radiation, his vulnerability begins decreasing thus making it easier to hurt him. Magical attacks are an exception as they affect Superman quite effectively and are able to hurt him pretty much bypassing his invulnerability.

And three things bypass his aura K-nite, magic, and Red-sun radiation. I don't see anywhere in Iceman's powers that have any of these things.

As well as catch Kryptonian diseases...

Powers
Immunity
Because of his Kryptonian physiology, Clark's body is very good at fighting diseases or poisons to an extent, making him immune to them. You won't see Clark getting a cough, for example, because of his immunity system is advanced enough that it won't let it affect the man. Are there things out there that could poison him or make him sick? Maybe, but it's not very likely at least when it comes to substances or diseases that can be found on Earth and Krypton. Even when infected, his body will fight the infection at an accelerated rate.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
Clark's Kryptonian body is already hardier than a normal human, and this hardiness is quite enhanced by metabolizing the solar energy he's absorbed into his body. It takes a lot to hurt the Man of Steel, thus why he's called the Man of Steel. The most extreme of conditions would still hurt the man and there are beings out there like Doomsday that can put the pain on the man. The solar energy is redirected by his body to his aura, making him almost completely impervious to normal damage. The aura will offer some protection as well to anything he's wearing that is close-fitting, but that's the extent of the protection to other things that it gives. His invulnerability is proportional to how much solar energy he has stored, although it caps at a certain point. When he loses access to solar energy or is affected by Kryptonite radiation, his vulnerability begins decreasing thus making it easier to hurt him. Magical attacks are an exception as they affect Superman quite effectively and are able to hurt him pretty much bypassing his invulnerability.

And three things bypass his aura K-nite, magic, and Red-sun radiation. I don't see anywhere in Iceman's powers that have any of these things.

Oh man...

Look:

Superman breathes.

Superman eats.

Superman drinks.

Superman metabolizes all of the above.

These are all established facts. Regardless of him becoming Superman Prime, it has been firmly established by DC that Superman has the capacity to do all these things.

Iceman, though not super strong, magical, telepathic, or having control of the electro-magnetic spectrum via mutation or the Power Cosmic, can attack Superman by way of his own natural body chemistry. The fact that Superman metabolizes water, food, and air, and that a large portion of his body consists of fluids is what makes him susceptible to Iceman. Iceman has a way of bypassing Superman's famous biomatrix by hitchhiking inside of Supes protection by way of Supperman's own respitory system, and then wreaking havoc on his cardiovascular, nervous, and circulatory system simultaneously, or by simply removing all moisture from Superman's body by inhabiting it and claming it as his one (forming a body from it). He doesn't have to slug it out with Supes, cast any spells, or carry any radioactive rocks. All he has to do is transfer his consciousness into the moisture within Superman and it's game over.

Game.

Over.

WE DO NOT KNOW IF HE CAN PASS THROUGH HIS AURA. And you act like it suddenly bypasses his aura we don't know how his body even works.

1)Supes is vulnerable to psionics.
2)Supes metabolizes water, air, and food.
3)Supes body chemistry consists of fluids.

Iceman doesn't have to break through Supes forcefield. He can transfer his consciousness in along the moisture in the air Supes breathes and naturally allows into his body, bypassing his biomatrix.

We do know that Supes eats, drinks, and breathes. We do know Superman has blood and saliva.

That's all we need to know.

That's Iceman's way in.

Yeah but at the start of the battle he won't be in vapor form. All Supes has to do is melt him inhale him and fly into space and then exhale him. He would do all that before Iceman could even think.

how would supes know to inhale him??? its all based on the fact that supes has no idea that iceman can live as water vapor....can supes melt him?? sure but then he's water vapor.....that means that he then as an advantage because he is in effect, invisible.....and its really not that hard to understand what Illadelph is saying...he might be alien but he still does things such as eat, and drink which does pass his biomatrix which is icemans ticket in....from there he can cause havok by just sucking all the water eveywhere and then leave the body......that equals Shriveledman

Still at it Blair? heheh

This wont ever end.

yes!!! i must fight the good fight......but serouisly people need to learn that supes is not God.....he is more powerful than iceman, sure but there are tactical advatages that cannot be overlooked.....batman with a K-ring is a tactical advantage, WW with a magic sword is a tactical advantage, Iceman turning into water vapor is a tactical advantage and him sucking all the mouisture from supes' insides is something he can do with that tactical advantage.....

Originally posted by Blair Wind
yes!!! i must fight the good fight......but serouisly people need to learn that supes is not God.....he is more powerful than iceman, sure but there are tactical advatages that cannot be overlooked.....batman with a K-ring is a tactical advantage, WW with a magic sword is a tactical advantage, Iceman turning into water vapor is a tactical advantage and him sucking all the mouisture from supes' insides is something he can do with that tactical advantage.....

Agreed.

Originally posted by illadelph12
1)Supes is vulnerable to psionics.
2)Supes metabolizes water, air, and food.
3)Supes body chemistry consists of fluids.

Iceman doesn't have to break through Supes forcefield. He can transfer his consciousness in along the moisture in the air Supes breathes and naturally allows into his body, bypassing his biomatrix.

We do know that Supes eats, drinks, and breathes. We do know Superman has blood and saliva.

That's all we need to know.

That's Iceman's way in.

A Martian (Protex, I believe) tried something similar to this on Supes.

It didnt work.

He turned into water? Since when can Protex turn into water?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
He turned into water? Since when can Protex turn into water?

Actually, he attacked him from the inside. Martians have control over their individual molecules.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Actually, he attacked him from the inside. Martians have control over their individual molecules.

Individual cells, you mean? I know they are shapeshifters, but they can't turn themselves into normal, water molecules.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Individual cells, you mean? I know they are shapeshifters, but they can't turn themselves into normal, water molecules.

In all honesty, I've never seen one turn into water molecules.
Just saying protex got inside supes in a liquid form and attacked him. It did him no good. As we both know, White Martians are quite powerful, they should have even more ways to attack once inside a body, as they are full bred warriors.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
In all honesty, I've never seen one turn into water molecules.
Just saying protex got inside supes in a liquid form and attacked him. It did him no good. As we both know, White Martians are quite powerful, they should have even more ways to attack once inside a body, as they are full bred warriors.

Hmm...

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Hmm...

Think about all the powers a martian has, a military mind, and one inside a body...quite a few posibilities there.

Supes also allowed the atom in his body once, and atom nearly died in there.