Prudent ? Why ? Is that not the point of Free Will?
If i follow a FAITH, a religion, how DO i know I am following GOD's true plan, and not just some generic organization's commands?
How do i Know that this is the RIGHT PATH and not just SOME human tradition that I feel compelled to follow and too guilty and humble to question?
There is no one way that works for EVERYONE.
Originally posted by DE Luke
Well for one,they oppress their women(okay,last time I checked,God didn't allow slavery,which what they're doing litterally is,women should be allowed to have rights too),kill people if they don't believe in their religion,kill people(innocent,of course).Now last time I checked,all that shit was said by God to be wrong.I;m not saying that all of them are bad,but a lot of them are.They kill each other over Religion alone.
I've never killed anyone over religion. Neither has my pastor. Neither does he preach on it. This "christians kill and opress non-believers" accusation is getting tiresome since you'll rarely find a good Christian thats ever done those things. And if they have and continue to do them then they where in the wrong and completely went against scripture.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
EHHHHH👇If the SOUL indeed DOES exist, than you don't need religion to validate it. The SOUL if it TRULY EXISTS, exists WITHOUT our permission or beleif in it.
And what is religion other than a beleif system? If the SOUL is REAL, which i do beleive it is, then it's REAL regardless of WHETHER or NOT WE BELEIVE IT.
Again you don't need religion to have a Soul. [/B]
I still believe you do. Soul is real but it's not as real as your TV or anything like that. Try to explain then what soul is without basing yourself on religion.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Very good argument, i dont thnk i can counter this one. However the issue of homosexuality is not just a religious one. It is also a social, civil, personal, and sexual issue. There are other ways to look at it.
Agreed, i don't look at homosexuality only from religional point of view, only when conversation needs me to do so.
Originally posted by Lord UrizenThere's a big difference between studying art, and being an artist.
Even further? 👇
No my freind, u severely misunderstand.[/B]
If you look at my works you'll change your mind 😎
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I am open to all possibilities, even that YOUR religion may be right. I however am undecided, and when it comes to FACT i only accept FACTS that are proven. When it comes to beleif and theory, i don't think anything is right or wrong, just beleifs until they can be proven FACTThe fact that you SELECTED and accepted your Faith means that you are bound by the LIMITS of your Faith in your outlook on many things.
Religion sets LIMITS...lets face it.
The fact that I am free from these limits, the fact that i am not BOUND by any belief, and the fact that my imagination defies FACTS and LOGIC means by imagination is enormous.
It is most probably larger than your own, since you may tend to limit yours because you may feel that your religious views must come first and before your other views. [/B]
I think I'll partly agree on this one. Religion sets some limits but this limits do NOT make your imagination or mind limited. Lets take an example. Bible says that God created earth. Now you are an atheist. You don't believe in that so you'll try to find logical explanatio of how earth really appeared. I'm a believer and will start to think HOW did God created the earth. Believing does not mean you should take what you've been said and stay quite. I can built millions of assumptions of how God really did it. I may think of scintifically correct explanation or not, but flight of my fantasy and imagination will go VERY far. So assuming that religion sets limits is not quite correct. It only gives you information and you have your full right to believe it or not. And if you choose to believe, you'll still have your own opinion and imagination and also somethig you can base your opinion on IF YOU WANT.
Originally posted by Sam Z
I still believe you do. Soul is real but it's not as real as your TV or anything like that. Try to explain then what soul is without basing yourself on religion.
Your soul is your life-force, your will , it is the voice behind your eyes. When you lose that you are no longer pure or truly human. Ether a automaton or a vile hearted fiend.
I still believe you do. Soul is real but it's not as real as your TV or anything like that. Try to explain then what soul is without basing yourself on religion.
I don't.
I'm not religious. Does that automatically mean I don't have a Soul ?
I can easily beleive in a SOUL without beleiving in any religion.
Agreed, i don't look at homosexuality only from religional point of view, only when conversation needs me to do so.
Well my buddy, you just admitted that when it comes to arguments against Conservatism, you purposely choose to look at the issue ONE WAY.....
Intentional close mindedness and intentional disregarding of ALL OTHER VIEWS.
If you look at my works you'll change your mind
Same here. but this is irrelevant.
I think I'll partly agree on this one. Religion sets some limits but this limits do NOT make your imagination or mind limited.
Perhaps not, good argument. But it does CREATE a path for your imagination to move, therefore destroying all other paths and directions for your imagination to travel.
Limitless in ONE DIRECTION is still creating limits.
Lets take an example. Bible says that God created earth. Now you are an atheist.
I am not Atheist. I in a Limbo between Christianity, Agnosticism, and Buddhism. LOL funny but true.
You don't believe in that so you'll try to find logical explanatio of how earth really appeared.
How does this limit my imagination if I try to DISCOVER the truth and look through ALL SOURCES of information to do so?
I'm a believer and will start to think HOW did God created the earth.
Again...limitting your possibilities within the Bounds of the BELEIF that ONLY God created the Earth. Limits baby....limits.
Believing does not mean you should take what you've been said and stay quite.
I totally agree. Questioning everything is key.
I can built millions of assumptions of how God really did it.
And without being BOUND by accepting that ONLY GOD created Earth, i can come up with TRILLIONS of assumptions of how EArth came to be.
Assumptions? No, you must stick with whatever religious "facts" allows you to think.
I may think of scintifically correct explanation or not, but flight of my fantasy and imagination will go VERY far.
VERY FAR in ONLY ONE Direction.
So assuming that religion sets limits is not quite correct.
Assuming? No its self evident and obvious.
It only gives you information and you have your full right to believe it or not.
Tell Conservative Christians and Muslims that. The people who want to tell us how to live our lives.
And if you choose to believe, you'll still have your own opinion and imagination and also somethig you can base your opinion on IF YOU WANT.
Opinion and Imagination BASED on ONE set of beleif.
Again Limits....
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Before we DIE?An act of FEAR don't you think ?
Sure it is, I wouldn't want to spend an eternity in hell. But thats not the reason I serve God. I serve him because I love him. Anybody that serves him out of fear is foolish. You miss the whole concept all together.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I don't care about this "God" you guys beleive in. My definition of morality is not "how we serve God"My definition of morality is "How we serve other people"
TO ME...all that matters is what good you do for mankind. Have you helped fight against global starvation, disease, and poverty?
Do you try and protest against unreasonable wars?
Do you give to charities, do you keep a teenager from suicide ?
These are the things that I beleive COUNT.
All those things are great. But does it really matter? In the end if you dont care where anyones going or if you dont believe anyones going anywhere after they die at all. Does it really matter? Does saving a kid from killing himself really matter when in the end when he dies he's not going to live on and the extra years that he had on this earth aren't going to matter?
Does it really matter how much you protest if in a thousand years or so everyone on this earth is going to be dead and not live on? You've just spared them a couple extra years to make the most of their life so when they die they can forget all about it? Does it really matter if no ones going to live on? Does a few extra years you helped someone gain really matter if in the end you dont know where they're going or even if they're going anywhere and all you've done is given them a few extra years they and their loved ones are going to forget once they die.
Giving to charities is great. But does it really matter if the people your helping are going to get something eternal from it? Then all you've done is help make someone a little more comfortable on earth before they never live on.
Ya see? Do all these good deeds you do really matter if something eternal isn't going to reap from it?
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I don't care for how many animals you sacrafice for God, i dont care how many times you go to Church, and i dont care how often you pray for me or anyone else.ACTIONS speak louder than words and intentions.....You think humankind needs help? DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT......
I agree with everything except your thoughts on prayer. Everything else is great (except sacrificing animals but in turn that could be used as sacrificing other things to God) but if you dont have the relationship with God then it doesn't matter. I think humankind needs some other help than just charity or fighting for some kind of cause because those things are only going to last while your on earth and if your not going anywhere after you die then they dont really matter at all.
Sure it is, I wouldn't want to spend an eternity in hell. But thats not the reason I serve God. I serve him because I love him. Anybody that serves him out of fear is foolish. You miss the whole concept all together.
Many people serve more out of fear than out of love, I hope you understand that. Many religious people feel that they HAVE TO do what they do, instead of doing things out of genuine belief and Love for God, much less love for other people.
You concept maybe be understood by you, but it was not made clear by Sam Z
All those things are great. But does it really matter?
Yes it does. To me Quality of Life is all that matters, because it is the only thing proven to exist.
I'm sorry if you cannot understand the fact that i PRIORITIZE LIFE above all else.
In the end if you dont care where anyones going or if you dont believe anyones going anywhere after they die at all. Does it really matter?
I don't know where anyone is going after we die, i dont beleive anyone truly does. Again sorry.
I do beleive in the possibility of an afterlife, but your intepretation of it and HOW to get there does not make sense to me. Sorry bro.
I also beleive in the possibility of a GOD....but i dont beleive in YOUR God...sorry
Does saving a kid from killing himself really matter when in the end when he dies he's not going to live on and the extra years that he had on this earth aren't going to matter?
Life ALWAYS MATTERS....again you are basing the WORTH of one's LIFE on what you beleive is the value of thier AFTERLIFE.
Every year a person exists on Earth is valuable and precious. Sorry.
Would I rather save a kid from suicide, then allow him to die?
You better beleive it brother.
Does it really matter how much you protest if in a thousand years or so everyone on this earth is going to be dead and not live on?
Yes it does, because the people who are SUFFERING NOW need to be heard, exposed, and taken care of.
How do we know that world in end in a thousand years? :/
You've just spared them a couple extra years to make the most of their life so when they die they can forget all about it?
The more years of life, the better bro.
Die? Reincarnation says they will be re born 😛
Does it really matter if no ones going to live on?
YES..because they exist today Punker. Their LIVES ALWAYS MATTER regardless of past, present, or future.
Does a few extra years you helped someone gain really matter if in the end you dont know where they're going or even if they're going anywhere and all you've done is given them a few extra years they and their loved ones are going to forget once they die.
I've answered this repeated question with repeated answers.
I agree with everything except your thoughts on prayer. Everything else is great (except sacrificing animals but in turn that could be used as sacrificing other things to God) but if you dont have the relationship with God then it doesn't matter. I think humankind needs some other help than just charity or fighting for some kind of cause because those things are only going to last while your own earth and if your not going anywhere after you die then they dont really matter at all.
Obviously you place more value on an afterlife than one CURRENT LIFE.....
I'm sorry you feel this way. I value THIS LIFE above any mythological, fantasy, or religious afterlife.
If someone asks you for help, would you just say "sorry bro, ur next life will be better if you stay true to God"
You have to allow people the choice. ASK everybody what matters more to them, THIS LIFE, or the next ?
It's THEIR CHOICE...FREE WILL BABY !!!!!
Originally posted by lord xyzYes, though don't discount supernatural, because there is evidence of such thing that we don't understand.
well, every religion is the same in a way."Be good"
"Read/Respect the holy book"
"Worship the prophet"
"Believe what we believe"
"Believe in supernatural"
"despise the non-believers"
Originally posted by Lord UrizenI don't.
I'm not religious. Does that automatically mean I don't have a Soul ?
I can easily beleive in a SOUL without beleiving in any religion.
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It means that you have soul but still yourself not sure to believe in God or not coz you can't belive in what God gives you but not believe in God, it makes no sense. Soul IS what you get from God so if you don't believe in him how the hell are you supposed to believe that you have one? Again try to explain what soul is then?
Originally posted by Lord UrizenActually you misunderstood me again. I only look at things one way only if there is no other way needed. YOU asked me to give my opinion basing myself on religion. That means "conversation needs me to do so". So What are you complaining about?
Well my buddy, you just admitted that when it comes to arguments against Conservatism, you purposely choose to look at the issue ONE WAY.....Intentional close mindedness and intentional disregarding of ALL OTHER VIEWS.
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Originally posted by Lord UrizenI think I'll partly agree on this one. Religion sets some limits but this limits do NOT make your imagination or mind limited.
Perhaps not, good argument. But it does CREATE a path for your imagination to move, therefore destroying all other paths and directions for your imagination to travel.
Limitless in ONE DIRECTION is still creating limits.
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No "one direction" keep reading I'll explain.
Originally posted by Lord UrizenI am not Atheist. I in a Limbo between Christianity, Agnosticism, and Buddhism. LOL funny but true.
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Originally posted by Lord Urizen
How does this limit my imagination if I try to DISCOVER the truth and look through ALL SOURCES of information to do so?.[/B]
I'll tell you how. You only can explain everything from scientific point of view, you can't think of anythink higher than chemestry and physics. Your imagination IS limited.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Again...limitting your possibilities within the Bounds of the BELEIF that ONLY God created the Earth. Limits baby....limits.[/B]
Unlike your scintific conclusions I still can think of something that is supposed to be beyond human's understanding, so comparing to you there is no limit.
Originally posted by Lord UrizenI can built millions of assumptions of how God really did it.
And without being BOUND by accepting that ONLY GOD created Earth, i can come up with TRILLIONS of assumptions of how EArth came to be.
Assumptions? No, you must stick with whatever religious "facts" allows you to think.[/B]
And you can ONLY assume that it was chemical reaction or something like that. Again you can't think of anything that is beyond sciance but I can.
Originally posted by Lord UrizenVERY FAR in ONLY ONE Direction.[/B]
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Assuming? No its self evident and obvious.
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See, it's not. Read all above.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Tell Conservative Christians and Muslims that. The people who want to tell us how to live our lives.[/B]
By us you mean homosexuals? And don't say things like "tell us how to live our lives" it sound like somebody points gun at your head.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Opinion and Imagination BASED on ONE set of beleif.Again Limits.... [/B]
opinion based only on what is easy to undersyand and on what other people would tell you (sciantists) is 100 times worse and more limited.