Originally posted by cking
Muslims hate both Christians and Jews for religious reasons.
ALL muslims?? Who here is prejudiced against other religions... ?
Both the Christian and Muslim churches/temples have abused their member's faith and committed horrible acts of autrocity in the name of their deities - crusades (as Jonathan points out) and terror.
And Jonathans SIGNATURE actually says something interesting...
Originally posted by Jonathan Mark
Too many Christians get all freaked out about Islam for no valid reason... and then try to pin some bullshit reason why Muslims are worse.Crusades anyone?
Im sorry to be going around being all ''Christian defending'' particularly because I don't agree with their Church as an institution. In fact I don't agree with religious institution period.
But the post above is SO typical of 'politically correct 'crusaide' against anyone who speaks out'
....
Dude, I am about as educated on Islam as any Muslim you are likely to meet, and the reason ''Christians are afraid of muslims'' is not a bullshit reason.
For you it might be, seeing how you live in the West, but why don't you try being a Hindu, Jew or a Christian in North African country, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Indonesia, Palestine, Pakistan (yeah try being a Hindu in Pakistan)...
Then come back and talk about Christian 'intolerance'.
The fact that your view on how Christians are bad are based on the fact that couple of idiots come on TV and talk shit about gays, or abortion, walk around with couple of boards outside abortion clinic and try to get you to ''find jesus'' early in the morning, while Christians, Hindus, Jews and Buddhists cannot practice their religion in any Islamic country without fear of persecution, frankly amazes me.
14 persons were executed last year in Saudi Arabia. Why? They were caught praying to Christian god and Jesus in their home.
One of the things which really angers me about Americans and about Westerners in general is the way you take your religious freedom for granted. And anger is something I don't really want to feel because of how distructive it is!
In fact you take it for granted so much, you dont hesitate to spit on it any chance you get.
That saddens me more than anything.
How nice would it be if people in Tibet felt the freedom to exercise Buddhism the way I do here...
But still, your truncating centuries of holy wars between the countries, Christian inotlerance of Muslims during their occupations of Jeruselem, and the Islamic states are a relatively recent development.
I agree with your point that the Eastern hemisphere should be taken into account, but don't forget the Western. Christian intolerance here is just more than a "couple" of idiots. They bomb abotion clinics, Matthew Shepard, all the 😖 during the civil rights movements against blacks.
Bottom line is....relgion is intolerant.
Originally posted by Alliance
But still, your truncating centuries of holy wars between the countries, Christian inotlerance of Muslims during their occupations of Jeruselem, and the Islamic states are a relatively recent development.I agree with your point that the Eastern hemisphere should be taken into account, but don't forget the Western. Christian intolerance here is just more than a "couple" of idiots. They bomb abotion clinics, Matthew Shepard, all the 😖 during the civil rights movements against blacks.
Bottom line is....relgion is intolerant.
With all due respect, much like the majority of people here, you too take your religious freedom for granted.
Christians in the west which commit attrocties against other peple will be persecuted by the state.
Christianity in the west doesnt forbid practice of any religion on its soil, nor does it persecute people who chose to follow different path.
People persecuted in Saudi Araba were persecuted BY the state for PRACTICING different religion.
Of course there are nutters who will go and do some dumbshit somewhere, but as a Nation, the West WILL NOT persecute people for their religion.
And this thing is what all of you take for granted.
Making up excuses such as ''Christians did the crusaids'' are so unbeliavably ridiculous and narrow minded its shocking. Yeah Christians went into crusaids, and Armanian genocide happened, and Tibet was invaded by Chinese, and India was raped by Arabs and Hitler rose to the power and stallin killied millions upon millions of people...
It is absolutey irrelevant to bring up crusaids - If the best people can do is bring up crusaids, than in reality they have run out of things to bash.
This has nothing to do with Christianity or any particular religion - it has to do with people's obnoxiousness, lack of symathy and sheer western arrogance of taking something so simple for granted and walking all over it.
And just when I think how many women will be killed in honor killings, how many people will be stoned for adultary and how many Hindus Buddhists and Jews will be persecuted based soley on their creed, makes me want to scream when I hear some idiot preach about how terribe his/her standards of living are
''I live in America, Im sourounded by Christians and I simply don't know what to do. Im opressed every day and i cant leave the house without seeing one''
It just makes me cringe...
People will find reasons other than Religious Differences to commit violence.
Yes, Lil Bitchiness....in some towns of India, when a woman gets raped...SHE GETS blamed for it, and the man who raped her becomes a Hero. Then the rape victim's family have to disown her, because she "disgraced" thier family by getting raped.
In Howard Beach Queens, an Italian dominated area, racism is SO HIGH...and this a town in New York. FREQUENT crimes are taken against Hispanics and Blacks who happen to stumble upon Howard Beach, and very few people know how STRONG and HIGH the racism is there.
ignorance, hatred, and sheer stupidity exist EVERYWHERE.....HATRED is independent of religion or any other source.
Hatred exists on its OWN for no actual reason, but people will use whatever excuse they have (including religion) to fuel and excuse thier actions.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Im sorry to be going around being all ''Christian defending'' particularly because I don't agree with their Church as an institution. In fact I don't agree with religious institution period.But the post above is SO typical of 'politically correct 'crusaide' against anyone who speaks out'
....
Dude, I am about as educated on Islam as any Muslim you are likely to meet, and the reason ''Christians are afraid of muslims'' is not a bullshit reason.
For you it might be, seeing how you live in the West, but why don't you try being a Hindu, Jew or a Christian in North African country, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Indonesia, Palestine, Pakistan (yeah try being a Hindu in Pakistan)...
Then come back and talk about Christian 'intolerance'.
The fact that your view on how Christians are bad are based on the fact that couple of idiots come on TV and talk shit about gays, or abortion, walk around with couple of boards outside abortion clinic and try to get you to ''find jesus'' early in the morning, while Christians, Hindus, Jews and Buddhists cannot practice their religion in any Islamic country without fear of persecution, frankly amazes me.
14 persons were executed last year in Saudi Arabia. Why? They were caught praying to Christian god and Jesus in their home.
One of the things which really angers me about Americans and about Westerners in general is the way you take your religious freedom for granted. And anger is something I don't really want to feel because of how distructive it is!
In fact you take it for granted so much, you dont hesitate to spit on it any chance you get.
That saddens me more than anything.
How nice would it be if people in Tibet felt the freedom to exercise Buddhism the way I do here...
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
With all due respect, much like the majority of people here, you too take your religious freedom for granted.Christians in the west which commit attrocties against other peple will be persecuted by the state.
Christianity in the west doesnt forbid practice of any religion on its soil, nor does it persecute people who chose to follow different path.People persecuted in Saudi Araba were persecuted BY the state for PRACTICING different religion.
Of course there are nutters who will go and do some dumbshit somewhere, but as a Nation, the West WILL NOT persecute people for their religion.And this thing is what all of you take for granted.
Making up excuses such as ''Christians did the crusaids'' are so unbeliavably ridiculous and narrow minded its shocking. Yeah Christians went into crusaids, and Armanian genocide happened, and Tibet was invaded by Chinese, and India was raped by Arabs and Hitler rose to the power and stallin killied millions upon millions of people...
It is absolutey irrelevant to bring up crusaids - If the best people can do is bring up crusaids, than in reality they have run out of things to bash.
This has nothing to do with Christianity or any particular religion - it has to do with people's obnoxiousness, lack of symathy and sheer western arrogance of taking something so simple for granted and walking all over it.
And just when I think how many women will be killed in honor killings, how many people will be stoned for adultary and how many Hindus Buddhists and Jews will be persecuted based soley on their creed, makes me want to scream when I hear some idiot preach about how terribe his/her standards of living are
''I live in America, Im sourounded by Christians and I simply don't know what to do. Im opressed every day and i cant leave the house without seeing one''It just makes me cringe...
Umm how does our religious freedom have anything to do with which religion has committed more atrocities. the fact that we can practice any religion we choose is a credit to our government, not christianity. It is a credit to our government which is made up of people who practice all different religions, including Islam. Muslims are no less tolerant than christians. Or were you just stereotyping them based on a relatively small percentage that are.
How are the crusades not relevent? You mention 14 people who are killed for practicing their religion like it is a horrible atrocity (which it is but not nearly as horrible as those instigated by other religions) what about the thousands that died during the crusades. Oh what religion did the Nazis practice by the way?
As for those complaining about being oppressed by christians, I have never, ever heard someone say that. I do not know a single person who believes christians are oppressing them.
Now I don't mean to favor one side (although that is what I ended up doing...sorry) but let's be clear that all religions have exploited there followers to commit horrible acts, and christianity is no exception.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
With all due respect, much like the majority of people here, you too take your religious freedom for granted.
I know what religious freedom is. I'm athiest. I have to say "god" every f-ing time i have to pledge my allegience to my country. I have to hear our national leader talk about it every f-ing sentance. I'm not killed for my beliefs, but I know something about intolerance. "uder God" was added to the pledge in 1954 to speak out against athiestic cimmunism. in 1956 the national motto was changed to "In God we trust" Is THAT NOT relgious intolerance???? Its not as bad here as it is in some places. That doesnt mean it should be ignored.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Christians in the west which commit attrocties against other peple will be persecuted by the state. Christianity in the west doesnt forbid practice of any religion on its soil, nor does it persecute people who chose to follow different path.People persecuted in Saudi Araba were persecuted BY the state for PRACTICING different religion.
Of course there are nutters who will go and do some dumbshit somewhere, but as a Nation, the West WILL NOT persecute people for their religion.
The west had plenty of relgious states. They may have them again. You're ignoring history. Not catholics were pursecuted. Athiest have been persecuted up until the enlightenment. Just because religous states are more centered in the Middle East now doesn't mean that other areas have been immune.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Making up excuses such as ''Christians did the crusaids'' are so unbeliavably ridiculous and narrow minded its shocking. Yeah Christians went into crusaids, and Armanian genocide happened, and Tibet was invaded by Chinese, and India was raped by Arabs and Hitler rose to the power and stallin killied millions upon millions of people...It is absolutey irrelevant to bring up crusaids - If the best people can do is bring up crusaids, than in reality they have run out of things to bash.
Its hardly irrelevnat. ALL religions have done it. Just because its not happening now didn't mean it didn't happen. You brought up other past examples, I brought up recent ones.
Originally posted by Alliance
They [christians] bomb abotion clinics, Matthew Shepard, all the during the civil rights movements against blacks..
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
This has nothing to do with Christianity or any particular religion - it has to do with people's obnoxiousness, lack of symathy and sheer western arrogance of taking something so simple for granted and walking all over it.
The whole Western/Easter idea is archaic. If if you think its not, quit being so devisive. Wester philosphy isn't cr@p. Eastern isn't either. We
We're NOT THAT different and we cirtanly don't become so with a stupid line. And am I the one being ARROGANT? I have incredible sympathy, more than most people for foreign situations. I also know what civil rights are. Trampling civil rights a little bit is still an offense. I don't take freedoms for granted, thats why I fight so hard for them.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
And just when I think how many women will be killed in honor killings, how many people will be stoned for adultary and how many Hindus Buddhists and Jews will be persecuted based soley on their creed, makes me want to scream when I hear some idiot preach about how terribe his/her standards of living are
''I live in America, Im sourounded by Christians and I simply don't know what to do. Im opressed every day and i cant leave the house without seeing one''It just makes me cringe...
I'm not an idiot, thank you. I never said my standards were terrible or complained about being in a country thats 75ish% Christian. I have a right to worship the way I choose without other poeple forcing their relgion down my throat. Grow up a bit. I never preached, I never siad my situation was horrible. I'm going to take a personal situation more seriously, I know every in and out of its existance. I'm qualified to speak for it.
CHristians have not, are not, nor will ever be exceptions to persecutors. Like Rapscallion, I'm not maying you're argument is wrong, I'm just erecting a wall to hold you up before you fall over with one-sidedness.