Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If God wanted, God would be incomplete.
True, but my post deliberately left out the nature of deity. Why couldn't a god be incomplete. The greek pantheon was sure wanting of a lot of stuff (not saying that religion was true, only that it was possible).
I was merely point to the possibility of only one religion being true.
Originally posted by Storm
There is no one "right" religion. There are numerous systems through which people relate to the sacred, giving meaning and order to life. It is up to each person to find their way, and it is abhorrent for anyone to push their own spiritual beliefs on another.Spirituality is the individual person' s relationship with the sacred. It' s an inner experience, it varies from person to person even more than religions differ from one to another.
Sigh, thats foolish. What can be regared as "sacred" when each individual can create the sacred? I know that alot of people have their lifestyles and thats fine. But when it all comes down to it there is only ONE true religion or way of life and in the end whether you have found the right one is all that is going to matter.
Originally posted by docb77
True, but my post deliberately left out the nature of deity. Why couldn't a god be incomplete. The greek pantheon was sure wanting of a lot of stuff (not saying that religion was true, only that it was possible).I was merely point to the possibility of only one religion being true.
It is the main flaw in Christianity. If God is omnipotent then God is perfect, and if God is perfect then God is complete. If God needs people to worship God, then God is not complete, perfect or omnipotent.
I was interjecting a point. No religion is all true, but all religions are true.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It is the main flaw in Christianity. If God is omnipotent then God is perfect, and if God is perfect then God is complete. If God needs people to worship God, then God is not complete, perfect or omnipotent.I was interjecting a point. No religion is all true, but all religions are true.
God didn't create us to worship him. He has the angels to do that. He created us with the sole purpose of having a relationship with us and for us to choose him over eveything else.
Saying "all religions are true" is stupid. Seeing as how virtually all of them contradict one another at some point.
Originally posted by Punker69
Sigh, thats foolish. What can be regared as "sacred" when each individual can create the sacred? I know that alot of people have their lifestyles and thats fine. But when it all comes down to it there is only ONE true religion or way of life and in the end whether you have found the right one is all that is going to matter.
Anyone who sighs in their online forum posts strikes me as being overly dramatic and full of themselves.
Anyways on religion:
Here's the Wiki definition since Dictionary.com is being a total pain in the ass.
Religion is commonly defined as a group of beliefs concerning the supernatural, sacred, or divine, and the moral codes, practices, values, institutions and rituals associated with such belief. It is sometimes used interchangeably with "faith" or "belief system." In the course of the development of religion, it has taken many forms in various cultures and individuals.
You could always hope that a group of beliefs matches the exact way that reality, God, the afterlife, and so on really is, but the chances of that happening are pretty damn low. You'd have a better chance leaping out of a train in Ohio and landing on a boat in Norway with no stops in between. Especially given how complex and widely interpreted most religious works are, it's hard to believe any good be all true.
Originally posted by Wesker
Anyone who sighs in their online forum posts strikes me as being overly dramatic and full of themselves.Anyways on religion:
Here's the Wiki definition since Dictionary.com is being a total pain in the ass.
Religion is commonly defined as a group of beliefs concerning the supernatural, sacred, or divine, and the moral codes, practices, values, institutions and rituals associated with such belief. It is sometimes used interchangeably with "faith" or "belief system." In the course of the development of religion, it has taken many forms in various cultures and individuals.
You could always hope that a group of beliefs matches the exact way that reality, God, the afterlife, and so on really is, but the chances of that happening are pretty damn low. You'd have a better chance leaping out of a train in Ohio and landing on a boat in Norway with no stops in between. Especially given how complex and widely interpreted most religious works are, it's hard to believe any good be all true.
"Over dramatic"? Are you serious? 🙄
Anyways, take a leap and pick one religion. But dont say all religions are true and what not because its not all true. If anything there is only ONE true faith and religion. Dont try and pass it off by saying ,whatever fits your needs, and such.
There is only one one true way of life. Whether you like it or not.
I was suggesting one could say all religions are not true, or that the ones in place now or to be thought up are very likely not to be true in any or perhaps all aspects, so why believe in any? Why limit yourself to preconceived moral and spiritual beliefs and codes when you can find your own philosophical bent and discover your own moral code?
That's also true, by my previous assumptions... If God never revealed himself then it could be that no religion is true.
I have to agree that it's impossible for all religions to be right. You can't have Brahma and the judeo-christian God. There can't be both the biblical concepts of resurrection and heaven and the easter concept of reincarnation and nirvana. You can't have many opposing beliefs even within just Christianity all be true.
The way I see it is if we assume the existence of God. Then it's either one true religion or no true religion. I'm betting on God's existence (makes sense, look up pascal's wager if you don't think so). So out of all the religions, I'll just have to take my chances with the one I think is right.
Originally posted by docb77
That's also true, by my previous assumptions... If God never revealed himself then it could be that no religion is true.I have to agree that it's impossible for all religions to be right. You can't have Brahma and the judeo-christian God. There can't be both the biblical concepts of resurrection and heaven and the easter concept of reincarnation and nirvana. You can't have many opposing beliefs even within just Christianity all be true.
The way I see it is if we assume the existence of God. Then it's either one true religion or no true religion. I'm betting on God's existence (makes sense, look up pascal's wager if you don't think so). So out of all the religions, I'll just have to take my chances with the one I think is right.
You are not thinking clearly. All religions are true but not completely true. Have you ever heard the story of the 6 blind men and the elephant?
Originally posted by debbiejo
We don't have to worship him, That's not what scripture says. He is a jealous god.
Your putting words in my mouth. I didn't say we dont have to worship him. I said that thats not why he created us. He created us for the sole purpose of having a relationship with us and for us to choose him over everything else.
The scripture was directed at different Gods. God said he is a jealous God and the worship we do give him is to aimed at him and no one else.
^^So, he's needy then for our acceptance, honor, and worship.
Many religions/denominations feel theirs is the correct ones though...They all call themselves the True church. There are too many to list. Not just cults, but many denominations such as Baptists (You have to be baptised or else), Pentecostals (you have to be spirit filled), SDA (you have to keep some OT laws), Catholics (you must go through the rituals). ..I say beware of churches that point their fingers at others with condemnation.
Originally posted by debbiejo
^^So, he's needy then for our acceptance, honor, and worship.Many religions/denominations feel theirs is the correct ones though...They all call themselves the True church. There are too many to list. Not just cults, but many denominations such as Baptists (You have to be baptised or else), Pentecostals (you have to be spirit filled), SDA (you have to keep some OT laws), Catholics (you must go through the rituals). ..I say beware of churches that point their fingers at others with condemnation.
He's not needy. He's given us so much and all he ask in return is that we give him the same love and admiration that he's given us.
Look, there is only one true religion. And in that religion your going to find just condemnation on unbelievers. Whether that lifestyle is athiest or Pentecostal. In the end there is only going to be one that matters.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
bull. hes given us NOTHING, n he asks more in return than you wanna admit. its ok though, its mostly false anyway.
Ok, since your first two sentences give the hypothetical that there is a God lets expand. It's because of him your are breathing this instant, because of him you have a place to sleep and eat. Its because of him you have the cloths on your back. And its because of him you get to indulge in the priveledge of heaven if you just choose to living according to his word until the day that you die.
Originally posted by debbiejo
^^So, he's needy then for our acceptance, honor, and worship.Many religions/denominations feel theirs is the correct ones though...They all call themselves the True church. There are too many to list. Not just cults, but many denominations such as Baptists (You have to be baptised or else), Pentecostals (you have to be spirit filled), SDA (you have to keep some OT laws), Catholics (you must go through the rituals). ..I say beware of churches that point their fingers at others with condemnation.
HaHa... See that's what I was talking about earlier. Blue is blue, red is red, red is not blue.
If God does require baptism to get into heaven then any religion that denies it is wrong. If you do need to be filled with the spirit then the pentecostals are at least that much right. If you have to keep those particular OT laws then the SDA have at least that much truth. If the catholics are right about their traditions then that's the truth and anything that contradicts it is false.
You just can't have it both ways. Either a doctrine is correct or not. There is no in between. (notice I said nothing about whether the entire set of doctrines were true) In order for there to be one true church/religion all of their doctrines would have to be true. Only way I can think of for that to happen is if God actually explained it to someone. Barring that I don't think it likely any church would have the complete "truth", but it is likely that most would have at least some of it.