Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You are not thinking clearly. All religions are true but not completely true. Have you ever heard the story of the 6 blind men and the elephant?
That's a good story, and it actually illustrates what I said in my last post. Each of those men had part of the truth. None of them had the whole picture. If a sighted man could explain to them the whole thing, the might be able to get the big picture.
Originally posted by Punker69
Sigh, thats foolish. What can be regared as "sacred" when each individual can create the sacred? I know that alot of people have their lifestyles and thats fine. But when it all comes down to it there is only ONE true religion or way of life and in the end whether you have found the right one is all that is going to matter.
Originally posted by Storm
And what religion is the right religion?
I believe its Oneness Pentecostal. Thats my belief. But what I believe isn't the point. The point is all religions cant possibly be correct because most if not all of them have their own rules and such against the other religons out there. They cant all be the safe when they contradict each other so greatly.
Originally posted by Punker69Just as the Pentecostal contridicts. How do you know that's the correct one.
I believe its Oneness Pentecostal. Thats my belief. But what I believe isn't the point. The point is all religions cant possibly be correct because most if not all of them have their own rules and such against the other religons out there. They cant all be the safe when they contradict each other so greatly.
There's only one real way to know which church is the true church....
God has to actually and in reality tell you!
Logic doesn't cut it or there'd be a whole lot fewer religions. Come to think of it, logic alone can't prove God either. He's in control of all the evidence on that one, and the only way to know that there is a God is if he shares.
If God hasn't actually told you, you just have to live the best you can and make your best guess. Oh, but keep looking for more proof, it'd be stupid not to.
Originally posted by docb77
There's only one real way to know which church is the true church....God has to actually and in reality [b]tell
you!Logic doesn't cut it or there'd be a whole lot fewer religions. Come to think of it, logic alone can't prove God either. He's in control of all the evidence on that one, and the only way to know that there is a God is if he shares.
If God hasn't actually told you, you just have to live the best you can and make your best guess. Oh, but keep looking for more proof, it'd be stupid not to. [/B]
The first logical thing to do is stop calling God him. Next read a book: The Power of Myth is a good one to start with.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0385418868/102-3191858-2188119?v=glance&n=283155
Except that we're not talking about myths. We're concerned with facts. Unknown facts true, but facts nevertheless.
And I already made the disclaimer about calling God him. I've got my beliefs as well. If God is going to tell anyone something, it would indicate a personality. I see no reason not to go with the traditional masculine in this respect.
My opinion, because I'm a part of a religion and I'm biased, is that there is only one true gospel, but there are others that do come close to it. But that doesn't mean that that religion would go to Heaven and everyone else would burn in Hell, because religion isn't always the determining factor. If you're righteous anyway, you'll still go to Heaven, but not with as much glory as you would receive if you were a faithful member. Shoot me down if you want, but that's what I believe.
Originally posted by docb77
Except that we're not talking about myths. We're concerned with facts. Unknown facts true, but facts nevertheless.And I already made the disclaimer about calling God him. I've got my beliefs as well. If God is going to tell anyone something, it would indicate a personality. I see no reason not to go with the traditional masculine in this respect.
You consider myths to be false. I consider myths to have a deeper truth than can be understood my humans. The book I recommended talks about how there is a commonality in all the major religions of the world. If you want to find that hidden fact that you are talking about, you have to look at myth, and look deeply beyond the surface.
By calling God “he” you are trapped inside the myth of Christianity. If you wish to find what you are looking for, you have to let go of that myth and look at it from the outside.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You consider myths to be false. I consider myths to have a deeper truth than can be understood my humans. The book I recommended talks about how there is a commonality in all the major religions of the world. If you want to find that hidden fact that you are talking about, you have to look at myth, and look deeply beyond the surface.By calling God “he” you are trapped inside the myth of Christianity. If you wish to find what you are looking for, you have to let go of that myth and look at it from the outside.
First you say that there is truth in myths, then you say I need to get away from the "myth" of christianity?
Seriously though, I meant what I said, I'm not looking for truth covered by legend and myth. I want the real deal. As I've posted before, the Existence of Deity is either true or false. Also true or false is whether Deity is male or not.
I said it as a joke with the southpark thing, but I actually am LDS. I was completely serious with the God telling you what he desires for you. And before you tell me, no I don't think that that make him incomplete. I believe that God is the Father of our spirits. He's perfect, or in other words, complete, and he wants us to find our own perfection/completion.
Originally posted by docb77
First you say that there is truth in myths, then you say I need to get away from the "myth" of christianity?Seriously though, I meant what I said, I'm not looking for truth covered by legend and myth. I want the real deal. As I've posted before, the Existence of Deity is either true or false. Also true or false is whether Deity is male or not.
I said it as a joke with the southpark thing, but I actually am LDS. I was completely serious with the God telling you what he desires for you. And before you tell me, no I don't think that that make him incomplete. I believe that God is the Father of our spirits. He's perfect, or in other words, complete, and he wants us to find our own perfection/completion.
We are getting stuck on words. I'm just telling you to think outside the box.
thanks, and I'll admit, I have studied some eastern religions (you said you were hindu right?) and they definitely have some things that I like, I've even tried to apply some of them in my life. But like I said in an earlier post, I think that many religions have some truth. What I want is the whole shebang.
Originally posted by docb77
thanks, and I'll admit, I have studied some eastern religions (you said you were hindu right?) and they definitely have some things that I like, I've even tried to apply some of them in my life. But like I said in an earlier post, I think that many religions have some truth. What I want is the whole shebang.
I'm a Buddhist, but I used to be a Christian.
Originally posted by docb77The problem is that people/leaders in the church say god is telling them god told them that they are in the true church. All the churches say that. So, maybe we need an audible voice with lots of witnesses, camera, video...etc.
There's only one real way to know which church is the true church....God has to actually and in reality [b]tell
you!Logic doesn't cut it or there'd be a whole lot fewer religions. Come to think of it, logic alone can't prove God either. He's in control of all the evidence on that one, and the only way to know that there is a God is if he shares.
If God hasn't actually told you, you just have to live the best you can and make your best guess. Oh, but keep looking for more proof, it'd be stupid not to. [/B]
Originally posted by debbiejo
The problem is that people/leaders in the church say god is telling them god told them that they are in the true church. All the churches say that. So, maybe we need an audible voice with lots of witnesses, camera, video...etc.
Nah, that's only if you want to prove it to others. For yourself, it's only you that needs to hear it.
As far as witnesses go, I suppose most of them are dead (meaning no cross-examinations unfortunately), but there are a ton in the scriptures.
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I suppose those witnesses don't actually go to the topic at hand, but rather the existence of God.
Originally posted by debbiejo
The problem is that people/leaders in the church say god is telling them god told them that they are in the true church. All the churches say that. So, maybe we need an audible voice with lots of witnesses, camera, video...etc.
Since your so unprone to blind faith why dont you ask God? Just seriously tell God that in order fot you to believe in him you need a sign. And that if he gives you one you'll truly submit your life to him.See what happens. I dare you.
Originally posted by apoc001
My opinion, because I'm a part of a religion and I'm biased, is that there is only one true gospel, but there are others that do come close to it. But that doesn't mean that that religion would go to Heaven and everyone else would burn in Hell, because religion isn't always the determining factor. If you're righteous anyway, you'll still go to Heaven, but not with as much glory as you would receive if you were a faithful member. Shoot me down if you want, but that's what I believe.
Are you talking about beliefs of other religions or Christian beliefs? If your talking about Christianity your sadly mistaken.