Pre-Crisis Superman Vs Silver Surfer

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
I agree that he would beat Supes if he can hit him with that energy...that is the key point. If Supes' has his game face on...then, SS would be hard pressed to hit him with anything. He could hit current Supes' with little problems....but, i just don't see him hitting pre-crisis supes' without a lot of luck. It's been said that pre-crisis could juggle planets or sneeze galaxies away...that's really far more than a highfather on earth could pull off in today's comics. I'm sure Supes' could throw planet sized asteroids at SS at faster than light speeds...and surfer would have to dodge all of that. Surfer would be lucky to have enough time to simulate those blasts and aim them directly at superman. As fast as Supes is...he could literally appear out of know where and punch surfer off of his board.

After thinking about it some more...i think Surfer would take a majority against post-crisis supes'...i don't think he would take all of them. Against pre-crisis....only luck would allow SS to win, imo....pre-crisis was just too overpowered

Wait, since when does Surfer have to dodge a planet. Surfer has more than enough power in his cosmic blast to destroy just about any planet Supes throws at him.
Also I think we should be talking about the standard showings for each of these guys, because otherwise I'll have to resort to bring up Supes having problems with guys like Toy Man(I mean come on).

i agree with that...he couldn't avoid them if he was just punching away on Silver Surfer. However, according to the forum rules...Supes' would know that SS was capable of shooting those beams out of his eyes....so, he would pick his shots. With Supes' flying around through space...SS isn't gonna just hit him with that unless he's lucky. Supes' would need to separate SS from his board first...i would think. If Superman is strong enough to blow out a star...or sneeze a galaxy away....could SS stay on his board when Supes' just uses his super lungs and blows in Surfer's direction. I mean..the way Supes' pre crisis feats are written....i don't see SS staying on that board. Pre-Crisis supes is probably strong enough to break the board in half if he just grabs it with surfer off of it.

Another thing....how many red sun blasts would it take to really defeat superman...i imagine it would take more than one....especially since this fight is on the moon....and Supes is still absorbing energy from the yellow sun

Originally posted by charlemagne9746

Another thing....how many red sun blasts would it take to really defeat superman...i imagine it would take more than one....especially since this fight is on the moon....and Supes is still absorbing energy from the yellow sun

If they are in space, its one shot, and he loses all his powers. He then dies of the cold and lack of air.

Originally posted by Tassadar
If they are in space, its one shot, and he loses all his powers. He then dies of the cold and lack of air.

That wouldn't work considering Pre-C Superman could actually SPEEDBLITZ at trillions upon trillions of miles per second, while Surfer could only travel fast, but not even that fast. Not to mention "sneezing away solar systems," throwing a neutron star billions of lightyears away, "time altering" punches, etc.... Need I go on? 🤨

lol...no, let's don't do that...i'll have to bring out Superman Prime who doesn't have red sun or kryptonite weaknesses. If it was that easy to kill Supes'....then someone would've tried to take him out like that already...but, DC couldn't build a franchise player with someone taking out Supes' that way either...lol. Well, Supes' would just have to dodge them...and pre-crisis can do that. It all comes down to Surfer staying on that board....if SS can't hit supes' or if Supes' can't separate SS from that board...then...it's just a long stalemate.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
lol...no, let's don't do that...i'll have to bring out Superman Prime who doesn't have red sun or kryptonite weaknesses. If it was that easy to kill Supes'....then someone would've tried to take him out like that already...but, DC couldn't build a franchise player with someone taking out Supes' that way either...lol. Well, Supes' would just have to dodge them...and pre-crisis can do that. It all comes down to Surfer staying on that board....if SS can't hit supes' or if Supes' can't separate SS from that board...then...it's just a long stalemate.

No. Pre-C Superman would literally take Surfer off the board before he knew what hit him.

as much as it pains me though...SS can beat Supes' if he tags him with that red sun eyebeam...but, i think that would be the only way SS could beat pre-crisis supes'

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
as much as it pains me though...SS can beat Supes' if he tags him with that red sun eyebeam...but, i think that would be the only way SS could beat pre-crisis supes'

Yeah, and Pre-C Superman could also completely make a mockery of Surfer in a variety of different ways. What's your point? Seriously, Pre-C Superman was like a looney tunes character.

PC supermans greatest power was his jobber aura. He developed new powers... or became stronger.. just to beat you... no matter who you were.. IE... bashing down the gates of heaven.

yeah...that's what I say...pre-crisis Supes' was way way overpowered. If he didn't have the kryptonite or red sun weaknesses....or magic weakness for that matter.....what could beat him...besides Darkseid..lol

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
lol...no, let's don't do that...i'll have to bring out Superman Prime who doesn't have red sun or kryptonite weaknesses. If it was that easy to kill Supes'....then someone would've tried to take him out like that already...but, DC couldn't build a franchise player with someone taking out Supes' that way either...lol. Well, Supes' would just have to dodge them...and pre-crisis can do that. It all comes down to Surfer staying on that board....if SS can't hit supes' or if Supes' can't separate SS from that board...then...it's just a long stalemate.

😱 Superman Prime beats Surfer hands down(but that's not who we'er talking about).
But anyway, if Supes manages to destroy the board(which I will admit he was strong enough to do), Surfer can create another one no problem(he did it before). And even if Supes is faster, if he tries to play tag with Surfer by punching and running away, Surfer's reflexes are fast enough to respond to things moving at waaayyy faster than light speed. Also tag is a two way street, to my knowlegde Supes never utilized hyperspace while Surfer does. He could do a sudden jump to warp speed and end up light years away, then do another warp, blasting away(at this point I figure Supes is hanging out with a confused look on his face trying to figure out where Surfer went.

By the way, I didn't really get what you were saying,are we useing average showings, or is it no holds barred?

Originally posted by darthgoober
😱 Superman Prime beats Surfer hands down(but that's not who we'er talking about).
But anyway, if Supes manages to destroy the board(which I will admit he was strong enough to do), Surfer can create another one no problem(he did it before). And even if Supes is faster, if he tries to play tag with Surfer by punching and running away, Surfer's reflexes are fast enough to respond to things moving at waaayyy faster than light speed. Also tag is a two way street, to my knowlegde Supes never utilized hyperspace while Surfer does. He could do a sudden jump to warp speed and end up light years away, then do another warp, blasting away(at this point I figure Supes is hanging out with a confused look on his face trying to figure out where Surfer went.

By the way, I didn't really get what you were saying,are we useing average showings, or is it no holds barred?

If Superman destroys Surfer's board, it's basically all over for him. Superman isn't going to give the Surfer one IOTA of time in order for him to properly create another one. To assume so is just silly. Superman IS greatly faster, and ONE of his punches would seriously be enough for Norin to die or be in a coma. Surfer's speed reflexes are nowhere near what Superman can put out. Just ask Thanos about that one. Never utilizes hyperspace? Actually, he can put on a "speed blur" and go just as fast as he needs. Besides, why exactly is that even relevant to this fight? Is that so Surfer can ATTEMPT to run away with Superman right on his ass and then tags him? 🤨 If Surfer tries the old "OH NO!!! I'M RUNNING AWAY!!" trick, then Superman would just meet him where ever he ended up and clobber him. Surfer is toast anyway you want to look at it.

Oh and if you take Surfer's high showings, multiply it by 5 and you get Pre-C Superman's high showing feats.

Originally posted by darthgoober
😱 Superman Prime beats Surfer hands down(but that's not who we'er talking about).
But anyway, if Supes manages to destroy the board(which I will admit he was strong enough to do), Surfer can create another one no problem(he did it before). And even if Supes is faster, if he tries to play tag with Surfer by punching and running away, Surfer's reflexes are fast enough to respond to things moving at waaayyy faster than light speed. Also tag is a two way street, to my knowlegde Supes never utilized hyperspace while Surfer does. He could do a sudden jump to warp speed and end up light years away, then do another warp, blasting away(at this point I figure Supes is hanging out with a confused look on his face trying to figure out where Surfer went.

By the way, I didn't really get what you were saying,are we useing average showings, or is it no holds barred?

If it is average showing...neither one will kill the other...so, I don't think SS would risk using red sunlight against Supes'...knowing that would kill him in space....and Supes' wouldn't go for the kill either...if he separated SS from the board...Supes' is strong enough to actually rip the surfer in half...so, Supes' wouldn't kill him.

I think they would have to go all out to get a winner...if they didn't...no one would get knocked out in my opinion.....well, Pre-Crisis has a better chance for the KO win with a single punch

Let's have them go all out in this fight....winner takes all

Superman wrecks him the majority of times. I would say 7 or 8/10.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Zeph if Supes is written well he wins, if not he loses 😄

Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
lol - too true.

But since when was PC well written? 😉

Nah - if he used all of his powers, he physically couldn't lose any fight.

How do you fight someone you can't touch, can't harm, can travel through time and move many thousands of times faster than light lol?

I mean PC Supes was a beast only because he needed to be in some cases but most of his powers and in fact all of his powers could be duplicated by SS no problem. SS has traveled unbelievably fast before.

SS has instant usage of his biggest weaknesses.

Everyone wants to talk abouta well written PC Supes but a well written Surfer is not exactly a wimp who is sitting there.

In comics obviously it would be PC Supes he would all of a sudden use his anti-power cosmic heat vision to remove Morrin of all his power.

By forums rules though it is just hard in my opinion to give it to him though. I don't see SS falling fast while all he has to do is create an aura of K-nite or red sun radiation around him and the fight pretty much becomes a ones sided match in favor of SS.

Supes absolutely dwarfs SS in speed, moving trillions of times the speed of light in less then a second, traveling from universe to universe in less them a micro second? Complete control of time?

PC supes 10/10

Originally posted by Jesse7
Supes absolutely dwarfs SS in speed, moving trillions of times the speed of light in less then a second, traveling from universe to universe in less them a micro second? Complete control of time?

PC supes 10/10

Its hard to to over look the fact that SS is a speed demon in his own right and has readily access to PC Supes biggest weaknesses at his finger tips.

Its just my thinking but those are hard circumstances for anyone to really overcome.

Originally posted by newjak86
By forums rules though it is just hard in my opinion to give it to him though. I don't see SS falling fast while all he has to do is create an aura of K-nite or red sun radiation around him and the fight pretty much becomes a ones sided match in favor of SS.

Originally posted by Validus
Maybe but if Superman sneezes its game over for everyones favorite herald.