lol...yeah...the sneeze of death is ludicrous.....but, hey...Supes' may have some black pepper on his person somewhere....all he needs to do is inhale it....and SS is gonna be like a moth during Hurricane Katrina...lol. Supes' can also borrow Batman's anti SS spray.
In all seriousness though, both of these guys are insanely powerful. Excluding pre-crisis Supes' weaknesses....he is far more powerful than SS. SS can beat Supes' if he connects with a red sun energy blast....i don't think the K-blast would work....SS probably wouldn't know how to reproduce it...being that it is foreign to the marvel universe. I think Supes' has a good shot at blitzing SS and getting the KO before the fight really even starts.
If SS manages to start shooting red sun beams at Supes' first...then Supes' has an uphill battle. Supes' can dodge those blasts all day long. If anything, maybe he can lure SS to fight inside the sun...that would amp Supes' strength up quickly.
I'm sorry, but I have a hard time picturing Sufer getting speed blitzed by anybody. Mostly because to my knowledge it's never happened(even before his recent upgrade). If anyone has scans of him actually being on the recieving end of an actual speed blitz, I'll accept the possibility. That's not saying that he's faster, just that his reflexes are good enough to deal with it. Thanos can't fly at all to my knowledge, he is certainly not a perceived as a speedster, but how many times can you name that he has suffered from a blitz? Doesn't he normally blast whoevers trying before they get to him? Why should we assume that this would be any different when the Surfers speed is so much higher than Thanos's.
I will admit that the sneeze of death could pose a problem, but since(to my knowledge)it only happened once I don't think it counts as a viable option by forum rules.
Newjack just made me think of something, Surfer doesen't have to hit Supes with a blast of red sun energy, all he has to do is cause his body to emmit it(which shouldn't be a problem to glow with energy on numerous occasions) and if Supes comes anywhere near him he'll be exposed to the effects.
He could also drain the solar radiation that Supes already has stored in his system which would probably weaken him faster than the red sunlight.
Originally posted by Inhuman
The only way for surfer(or anyone for that matter) to win against PC Superman is for the writter to drop dead from a heart attack n' such.
So ridiculous powers and plot devices couldnt be added to the fight(s).
Very true. But luckily, there are no writers controlling this fight, because it's not in a comic.
Yeah to bad for SS that forum rules states that both characters are fighting at their best, meaning their is no writter to give PC supes any weakenesses.
In case you forgot, PC supes was only weak to magic, kryptonite, etc. when they wanted him to be, for example, out of no where a krytonite pebble hits him and hes on the floor dying, next panel hes on a planet made of kryptonite beating down legions, etc.
So in this case PC supes has no weaknesses, unlimted powers, Anti Cosmic Heat vision, and PC supes would run light years around SS. (Pc Supes gained any power he wanted or needed on the fly, call it PIS if you want but its cannon and its one of his powers.)
Example 1: PC supes has traveled Trillions of times the speed of light in under a fraction of a second.
Example 2: PC super boy raced across many universes in a fraction of a universe.
The point: SS is a snail compared to PC supes.
Originally posted by Jesse7
Yeah to bad for SS that forum rules states that both characters are fighting at their best, meaning their is no writter to give PC supes any weakenesses.In case you forgot, PC supes was only weak to magic, kryptonite, etc. when they wanted him to be, for example, out of no where a krytonite pebble hits him and hes on the floor dying, next panel hes on a planet made of kryptonite beating down legions, etc.
So in this case PC supes has no weaknesses, unlimted powers, Anti Cosmic Heat vision, and PC supes would run light years around SS. (Pc Supes gained any power he wanted or needed on the fly, call it PIS if you want but its cannon and its one of his powers.)
Example 1: PC supes has traveled Trillions of times the speed of light in under a fraction of a second.
Example 2: PC super boy raced across many universes in a fraction of a universe.
The point: SS is a snail compared to PC supes.
LOL its PIS when its a one or two time thing, such as the SvFL it was a one time thing.
Your basically calling PC supes entire comic history from the first to the last issue PIS, thats like me calling SS entire comic history PIS because I don't like it, or because it doesnt match with what my opinion is of non PIS, CIS.
Point being everything I mentioned PC supes did on a regular basis, making powers up on the fly, having no weaknesses, speed, strength, his punches and intelligence breaking time, space, reality, it was all done on a regular basis by him.
Bottom line PC supes>SS 10/10 ^_^
Originally posted by Jesse7You don't count pr beyonder!
LOL its PIS when its a one or two time thing, such as the SvFL it was a one time thing.Your basically calling PC supes entire comic history from the first to the last issue PIS, thats like me calling SS entire comic history PIS because I don't like it, or because it doesnt match with what my opinion is of non PIS, CIS.
Point being everything I mentioned PC supes did on a regular basis, making powers up on the fly, having no weaknesses, speed, strength, his punches and intelligence breaking time, space, reality, it was all done on a regular basis by him.
Bottom line PC supes>SS 10/10 ^_^
YOU PEOPLE TALK LIKE PC WAS GOD PC OR LETS SAY WELL WRITTEN DARKSEID BEAT HIM ALL THE TIME. PC MONGUL USED TO BEAT HIM TO PLUS PC MONGUL WAS WAY WAY STRONGER THEN PC SUPES . I DON'T THINK PC SUPES EVER BEAT PC MONGUL ONE ON ONE EVER TIME HE WOULD HAVE TO RUN FROM PC MONGUL. PLEASE PEOPLE KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT BEFOR YOU SAY TINGS LIKE PC SUPES CAN'T BE BEAT
Originally posted by bigbran
You don't count pr beyonder!
WAHHHHHHHHHHH???? I don't count PR beyond? Thats not true, I do count PR beyonder.
It was stated by the writter at that time, but PR beyonder was basically the representation of the writters themselves that they controlled all that was in Marvel and that no comic character could oppose them.
I happen to like Pre-Retcon Beyonder, I often read Mr. M's post and arguments on him and agree with them too.
Originally posted by Jesse7Yes but you usually say, there was no such thing as pre ret conned beyonder.
WAHHHHHHHHHHH???? I don't count PR beyond? Thats not true, I do count PR beyonder.It was stated by the writter at that time, but PR beyonder was basically the representation of the writters themselves that they controlled all that was in Marvel and that no comic character could oppose them.
I happen to like Pre-Retcon Beyonder, I often read Mr. M's post and arguments on him and agree with them too.
Originally posted by bigbran
Yes but you usually say, there was no such thing as pre ret conned beyonder.
WHAT? When!? I like the pre-retconned beyonder, are you talking about that one post from the "Beyonders Vs the Imps?" all I basically said was that post-retcon beyonder is not what he use to be (pre-retconned) -_-
Originally posted by Jesse7
LOL its PIS when its a one or two time thing, such as the SvFL it was a one time thing.Your basically calling PC supes entire comic history from the first to the last issue PIS, thats like me calling SS entire comic history PIS because I don't like it, or because it doesnt match with what my opinion is of non PIS, CIS.
Point being everything I mentioned PC supes did on a regular basis, making powers up on the fly, having no weaknesses, speed, strength, his punches and intelligence breaking time, space, reality, it was all done on a regular basis by him..
Bottom line PC supes>SS 10/10 ^_^
PIS can happen any number of times under any number of writers because it's PLOT INDUCED STUPIDITY. It happens in almost every issue of Flash, when Flash doesn't beat the villain in the first panel. If PIS is on, then Supes doesn't have a chance because he was a victim of it more than just about anyone else. If we're using PIS then Superman WON'T be using his speed or strength at maximum efficiency and Surfers. Why? For the sake of the plot, and to make the fight look good. SvFL is what your talking about, and while Superman did develope powers on the fly all the time, unless he used each individual power multiple times, it qualifies. It has nothing to do with my liking it or not that's forum rules. So as I said earlier- Surfer 6/10.