Wolverine Wins!

i'm just saying any given fight is going to take place with them decently close to one another....she's not going to float or sink away faster than wolverine can reach unless she's already some good distance away from him.... even if she does....i'm seriously doubting wolverine's just gonna stand around and wait for her to attack....

in any case....i don't really think it's all that silly....adamantium's a weakness of hers. get over it...if you don't like it, that's fine and everything...everything's open to opinion...but your opinion on the issue does not negate a stated fact supported by multiple evidence....

Oh I realised and incorporated the fact that she's weak to adamantium (even though I think it really doesn't make that much sense - energy weapons yeah definitely but adamantium (without accounting for other substances) is just flawed) in all the ways that I've mentioned she could get him thus far I think.

are there any more dense materials than adamantium on the MU?

No there isn't anything denser but she hasn't been shown to be affected by anything less dense than adamantium that I know of, and yet she has such a severe reaction to adamantium due to it's density. Doesn't make sense. If that was the case it should be easy for her to phase in water, harder for her to phase in say ice cream, harder than that for sponge, wood, aluminium, lead, iron, titanium. There should be a density gradient with her starting to feel discomfort when phasing through light metals and beginning to feel pain from heavier metals and alloys if there is to be such a severe pain response to adamantium.

perhaps....maybe the difference between the materials and the concentration needed to phase through it is so minimal that it isn't shown (like lifting a 1 pound weight compared to a five pound weight)

though I get your point about the denser metals thing....there could be any number of explainations for that.....I mean it is comic book land....maybe the dense adamantium causes kitty to experience some of the poisioning the metal produces....I don't know...it's comics...I'm just throwin stuff out there...just saying I get your point...but it's still documented...

Originally posted by jinzin
hell no...and it's already been explain why a hundred times before...I though you read the spiderman vs. wolvie thread all the way through?

It says bonded, but gambit can chargeit, i was showing not to believe everything you say.

Who's to say he can't by your own means?

Yeh I know. In any case Kitty can still win by simply snatching unprotected organs out avoiding bome completely, by phasing him into the ground or an object or by phasing everthing but his skeleton so he falls out of himself. Wolverine (as with most fights) can win if he manages to slash her first, but he can't kill her only at best make her pass out because intangible she is basically physically invulnerable.

Ragna's right you can't pick and choose which pieces of comics go with your reasoning, think objectively, this is your argument 90% of the time, are you serious, get real, (rolleyes)

I'm not picking and choosing it's been a documented fact supported by loads and loads of evidence to support it...what supports your idea that spiderman could? one quote.....from a charactrer who knows less about himself than other people.....yet another quote supported by evidence (his speed) means nothing? and I'm the one picking and choosing huh?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Yeh I know. In any case Kitty can still win by simply snatching unprotected organs out avoiding bome completely, by phasing him into the ground or an object or by phasing everthing but his skeleton so he falls out of himself. Wolverine (as with most fights) can win if he manages to slash her first, but he can't kill her only at best make her pass out because intangible she is basically physically invulnerable.

Yeah i get what you're saying....it's just from where I'm sitting...taken into account her fights...she has to be careful and crafty to win...logan can afford not to be but if he is...this puts him at a serious advantage...of course we're just sharing different viewpoints...I get yours and respect it as you make some excellent points and while kitty has an excellent chance...i just don't think she has the advantage....so I give it to wolvie on average...but good points nonetheless..

Hardly, you use what has been put there without thinking about the likelihood of it happening making the same old goose chase, read the Iceman and superman threads, those take objective thought and logic.

I wrote this earlier in regards to Wolverine's erratic physical attribute (strength, speed etc) levels always being attributed to his adamantium skeleton:

I've come to realise the adamantium skeleton although unbreakable wouldn't necessarily increase his strength only his durability. If he has the same musculature as another man but adamantium bones, that could make him stronger or it might not. Increased bone density would increase strength in the sense that more momentum is put behind his movements due to increased mass, but performing those movements would be slower. Momentum = mass x speed, so the skeleton might increase his strength or it might not depending upon how much that extra mass slows him down. He would require increased musculature just to perform the tasks at the same speed as a normal male sans adamantium skeleton.

The skeleton is therefore a hindrance to speed, agility and reflexes and possible even strength. Any feats of superhuman speed, agility and suchlike are therefore inexplicable in terms of Weapon X.

i put stuff out there without thinking about it...such as?

You see it, try evaluating it for logic and possibilities.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I wrote this earlier in regards to Wolverine's erratic physical attribute (strength, speed etc) levels always being attributed to his adamantium skeleton:

I've come to realise the adamantium skeleton although unbreakable wouldn't necessarily increase his strength only his durability. If he has the same musculature as another man but adamantium bones, that could make him stronger or it might not. Increased bone density would increase strength in the sense that more momentum is put behind his movements due to increased mass, but performing those movements would be slower. Momentum = mass x speed, so the skeleton might increase his strength or it might not depending upon how much that extra mass slows him down. He would require increased musculature just to perform the tasks at the same speed as a normal male sans adamantium skeleton.

The skeleton is therefore a hindrance to speed, agility and reflexes and possible even strength. Any feats of superhuman speed, agility and suchlike are therefore inexplicable in terms of Weapon X.

fair enough....but do we know the weight of adamantium?

second.....great theories again...but again...debating real world logic...when it's directly in conflict with the character....even for wolverine he's shown consistant superhuman attributes...like I said...documented...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I wrote this earlier in regards to Wolverine's erratic physical attribute (strength, speed etc) levels always being attributed to his adamantium skeleton:

I've come to realise the adamantium skeleton although unbreakable wouldn't necessarily increase his strength only his durability. If he has the same musculature as another man but adamantium bones, that could make him stronger or it might not. Increased bone density would increase strength in the sense that more momentum is put behind his movements due to increased mass, but performing those movements would be slower. Momentum = mass x speed, so the skeleton might increase his strength or it might not depending upon how much that extra mass slows him down. He would require increased musculature just to perform the tasks at the same speed as a normal male sans adamantium skeleton.

The skeleton is therefore a hindrance to speed, agility and reflexes and possible even strength. Any feats of superhuman speed, agility and suchlike are therefore inexplicable in terms of Weapon X.

Exactly this is what i've said, humans, have restrictions from bone weight, density, muscle bone weight, density, flexibility caused by extra musle strength caused by the strength of the host, vurnerability to vital points are all human traits, it wouldnt make sense for wolverine to simply get better for this reason alone, it would cancel out at best, he is a human otherwise.

spiderman doesn't have spider powers cause radiation doesn't give people superpowers.......

Originally posted by jinzin
fair enough....but do we know the weight of adamantium?

second.....great theories again...but again...debating real world logic...when it's directly in conflict with the character....even for wolverine he's shown consistant superhuman attributes...like I said...documented...

These attributes are capable of all humans given the right time, he is not aable to do these with ease like spiderman, or other superhuman characters, he isn't suppposed to be superhuman in his other feats, or he would have been documented as such long ago, just like batman survived a hit from supes doesn't make it so, or that spidey hasnt killed a man with a simple hit doesn't make it so, objective thinking, logic, and reasoning. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by jinzin
spiderman doesn't have spider powers cause radiation doesn't give people superpowers.......

huh

Originally posted by jinzin
fair enough....but do we know the weight of adamantium?

second.....great theories again...but again...debating real world logic...when it's directly in conflict with the character....even for wolverine he's shown consistant superhuman attributes...like I said...documented...

It was in response to two single incidents of Wolvie moving basically as fast as quicksilver/flash as evidence of how fast the normal speed level is.