Originally posted by EvilCap America
I have a suggestion that will make everyone happy.We make Classifications to disguish who is figfhtingWolverine 1-Classic Wolverine.Thisis the guy with Andamantium bones peak level human ability and faster than normal healing
Wolverine 2-This will be the Wolverine that shrugs off hits from Hulk even without Andamantium can tag Quicksilver with his Superhuman speed His healing factor can bring him back if erased from reality by the Living Tribunal and can smite hundreds of characters like Spiderman with fireballs from eyes and bolts of lightning from his arse
Batman 1-Classic Batman.This is the worlds greatest dective an expert martial artist and a gadgeteer that makes devices to fight thugs and guys like Joker
Batman 2-aka Planman.You may know him in Marvel as Dr.Doom but in DC hes caled Batman.This is the guy that has contingiancy plans for when he goes to the bathroom to defend against each specific creature in the universe and afterwards in case theytry and steal a styool sample.He can beat any creature by negating all their abilties with his Plan-vision
Spiderman 1/2/3-First is normal spidey 10 ton strength faster than any human dodges bullets easily etc.Spidey 2 is the one that thats basically a mediocre acrobat who claims to have super strength but can barely take a single grown man down.Spidey 3 is the one that can punch out Heralds of Galactus or Pre-Crisis Superman
With these classifications we can finally put the arguments to rest
Tada I'm back. Jinzin I can argue real world logic in favour of Logan's powers as easily as I did for Spidey. It's just more fun going up against Wolverine fans cos they're just so zealous.
Strength/Speed/Agility
His mutation enables his muscle fibres to contract and relax rapidly. This increased speed increases strength while total muscle mass remains the same due to an increase in momentum (similar to Spiderman). Sustained contraction causes fatigue as does multiple consecutive contraction, thus he is suited to rapid bursts of peak human strength, and low end superhuman agility/speed sans skeleton rather than maintaining these levels constantly (as opposed to Spidey who can as his muscles are more fatigue-resistant). The addition of the skeleton increases mass, but slows speed resulting in momentum capable of enhanced human strength. His speed is diminished from low end superhuman to an enhanced human level.
Senses
Logan's enhanced senses are the easiest to explain... they're just enhanced senses. More sensitive hair cells in the ears, more sensitive olfaction cells.
Healing Factor
The healing factor is the one I have the big gripe with. It's never been defined and writers do lots of BS with it. The concept is simple though, the body has processes that enable regeneration. These are simply hyperaccelerated. The time of recovery should be proportional to the severity of the wound and the types of tissue damaged in the wound. Regeneration of some cell types is more simple than others because they're composed of less complex mixes of proteins etc.
The body would act first to seal of blood flow so that anaphylactic shock does not occur, but real healing would take further time without further injury which would compound the damage. My guesstimates of what would be reasonable:
Surface wound - Seconds
Clean muscle wound (no organs involved) - 5-10 of seconds
Clean organ damage (exc Brain) - minutes
Major single organ damage (exc Brain) - 10s of minutes
Mild concussion - 30 minutes
Multisystem organ damage/moderate concussion - hours
Major Multisystem Organ Damage/Severe concussion/Major brain trauma - days
Damage resulting in complete loss of function of parts of the brain due to trauma/Complete loss of major vital organ systems - days to weeks (he should not be getting right up from Hulk punches or mile high drops without parachutes)
And since he's Marvel's cashcow and can't die.
Nuclear explosion - months
Weight from muscle = faster. stronger.
Weight from fat = slower. possible stronger possible weaker.
Weight from bone = stronger. slower.
Speed is determined by muscle mass and the rate of contraction. Increased weight that doesn't increase speed just = increased inertia = higher resistance to changes in velocity i.e. he speeds up from rest slower. That's why I say he needs to have something to compensate for this e.g. faster contracting muscles.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotWhat happens if you lift weights, what does that do to muscle?
Weight from muscle = faster. stronger.
Weight from fat = slower. possible stronger possible weaker.
Weight from bone = stronger. slower.Speed is determined by muscle mass and the rate of contraction. Increased weight that doesn't increase speed just = increased inertia = higher resistance to changes in velocity i.e. he speeds up from rest slower. That's why I say he needs to have something to compensate for this e.g. faster contracting muscles.
Aslo where did it ever state that spiderman has indestrctable bones? Or even enhanced beyond normal?
never...
you're missing the point...you don't even know how heavy or light adamtium even is....there's no way to determine the amount and weight of it due to inconsistant stats and no proof to back any of them up..... this i why many many aspects of real world logic don't pretain to omic book fights....comic books are an escape from reality....funny though....how every time wolverine gets brought up against spiderman people want to start using "real world logic" in order to evade the fact that he's whipped spidey's ass 3 times...as if said logic takes precedence over multiple encounters between the two...who happen to live in an escapist reality....
Originally posted by jinzinAnd of course people have been misusing the concept of logic in leu of "real world physics"
never...you're missing the point...you don't even know how heavy or light adamtium even is....there's no way to determine the amount and weight of it due to inconsistant stats and no proof to back any of them up..... this i why many many aspects of real world logic don't pretain to omic book fights....comic books are an escape from reality....funny though....how every time wolverine gets brought up against spiderman people want to start using "real world logic" in order to evade the fact that he's whipped spidey's ass 3 times...as if said logic takes precedence over multiple encounters between the two...who happen to live in an escapist reality....
But that might just be semantics. Since real world logic would apply to real world outcomes based on real world physics, real world anatomy real world etc. . . real world logic can't be applied because real world logic depends on other real world things that simply don't work in comic books. Like how radiation gives super power instead of cancer or death.
So obviously you have to use comic book anatomy and physics and the like since its already given that they have a different, if similar, way that thje dna even works. It's much more simplified.
Originally posted by jinzin
never...you're missing the point...you don't even know how heavy or light adamtium even is....there's no way to determine the amount and weight of it due to inconsistant stats and no proof to back any of them up..... this i why many many aspects of real world logic don't pretain to omic book fights....comic books are an escape from reality....funny though....how every time wolverine gets brought up against spiderman people want to start using "real world logic" in order to evade the fact that he's whipped spidey's ass 3 times...as if said logic takes precedence over multiple encounters between the two...who happen to live in an escapist reality....
Then logic is defunct and the Comic VS board should be closed down as their is obviously no reason to continue