In issue 1 of Xmen Forever the heroes are told of how the abstracts fearing their future replacement will act to destroy humanity before its too late for even the abstracts to stop them. Prosh the sentient ship of the Celestials then generates an image of the abstracts who he is referring to, the ones due to be replaced in the end:
Prosh then sends the gathered group of heroes on an adventure through time. Their consciousnesses are sent back to occupy their past younger selves at important times in their lives so that they can better understand their importance. Jean is sent back in time to when her phoenix self talked to Death in the afterlife. Death tells her that out of all the forces that have threatened the abstracts roles in creation (e.g Thanos with the IG, Adam Warlock, Dormammu, Mephisto etc jean as phoenix was feared the most and that she alone “represents a legitimate challenge to the fabric of reality”:
Xmen Forever #3 pg 6 Prosh again talks of humanity evolving to replace the abstracts. Jeans consciousness is transported to inhabit her body in the classic xmen days the first roster when she was just marvel girl. She sneaks into Xaviers office and uncovers a file talking of how she has ""Omega(the last) Level Mutant abilities"" and the files talk of how these abilities are connected with an ""ultimate threat"" Prof X says according to Fred Duncan (X Cutioner) however he says that he prefers to just think about the unlimited potential these abilities entail. On the next page is a picture of the words "" unlimited potential"" in bold they dominate the page and below them is a picture of all the abstracts LT included:
In issue 6 the Stranger calls Jean the “touchstone” of his plans. He plans to use Phoenix to become the supreme being over all of the other abstracts. The Stranger tells Jean how her time as Phoenix scared the other abstracts and how it caused them to focus on the future problem of humanity. Stranger shows Jean how humanity is going to evolve to replace the abstracts by manifesting an image of a D.N.A chain slowly turning into eternity. He sought the power because he believed the abstracts fearing their future replacement would take out humanity before this potential was realized. Stranger tells Jean that through the power of this ultimate mutation, through phoenix he will be able to usurp the fundamental forces and end reality, before creating it anew leaving himself the sole survivor of the new reality. Stranger then manifests an image to Jean of what will phoenix will allow him to do:
While Stranger is talks to Jean outside of the range of Strangers perceptions and tells her that the Stranger is very wrong. The abstracts aren’t going to stand against humanity and destroy them, because they ensured they created humanity for the very purpose of ending reality:
“””””“He plans to spark humanitys evolution now and turn it into a raging inferno which will engulf the cosmos with the end of all that is...What the Stranger fails to comprehend is that the abstract entities accept the inevitable fate of the universe! It is the cyclical nature of the tapestry to weave its own end to a new beginning. To start the process all over again. Indeed that is why we created the human race.”””””
The creation and later advancement of humanity is a part of the natural life cycle of a universe. The abstracts use the Celestials to plant genetic potential in early life-forms to ensure the creation of the human race, to ensure that this final stage of evolution occurs. Those of omega potential are the fruition of their work, those closest to reaching this ultimate mutation that is phoenix. When that happens in all universes the phoenix consciousness the primal force of creation ends creation. As you have seen from what ifs, from earthX, Universes X and many other marvel titles that portray characters from alternate realities, humanity is present in the universes throughout the multiverses. Humanity is the abstracts effort to continue the cycle of life. It happens in all universes due to the actions of the abstracts present in their respective realities. However as was shown by this title those of ultimate potential, those who possess telekinetic godhood surpass all of the abstracts, LT included. Stranger sought to use Jean as the top phoenix the key to it all, to place himself as the supreme being above LT even:
While the Strangers plans talked only of taking over his universe what you need to remember is that those of ultimate potential these new phoenixes become multiversal beings who survey all of creation as shown by New Xmen. The fact that LT was one of the beings shown to be replaced suggests that humanity reach this ultimate potential around the same time in their respective universes in the multiverse. Alnother point to think about is that before Eternity got involved we were seeing the story from the Strangers perspective which was that the abstracts feared their eventual replacement so that could be why LT was involved because he would have moved against the Stranger by his way of thinking, because it wasn’t a natural part of the cycle of life. However as shown the power of the ultimate mutation was still depicted as being enough to humble LT. So either way whether LT is involved because he is due to get replaced because he is after all an abstract, or if he is shown there because Stranger’s perspective saw LT moving against him and his newly acquired power, phoenix the ultimate mutation is still shown as being too much for him.
Jean is the top of the phoenix hierarchy. She was the first to transcend the physical and become one with the primal force of creation. However it has now happened to others across the multiverse and again even in the 616 universe.(Please note that Rachel has yet to truly transcend she is just a host for Jeans essence.) Quentin Quire an omega level psionic at the end of the “The Riot” story arc begins to evolve. He talks of transcending the physical of going into other rooms:
“””””””””” Im streaming away….into bigger rooms…outside rooms bigger than the whole world, Professor I understand things..””””””””””””
This hinted at the white hot room. Where the phoenixes exist and where in real world terms is basically where the transcended can commune with God. (that one was for you Beyonder lol) He also talks of not being truly born yet which back then hinted of a future rebirth of some kind:
After the necessary death of Jeans body (phoenixes must after all be “born and consumed in blood flame and sacrifice. #128) in New Xmen 150 she is reborn 150 years in the future to perform her destined disinfection. She travels back beyond creation to the white hot room and we see a “phoenix corps” if you like, others who have transcended. Here she meets Quentin Quire again and sees that he has evolved into a phoenix:
It seems that the phoenixes only task to perform as a rule are their healing work and their disinfections. This work ensures the cycle of creation is ongoing and not hampered in any way. From the white hot room the phoenixes can see all creation and timelines and know when their particular brand of work is required. A good example of this work is the M’kraan crystal. This nexus of all realities is a reset switch for the entire multiverse. A force that even the all powerful Beyonder deemed powerful enough to destroy him. (Secret Wars 2 Uncanny Xmen issues 202-203 despairing at his god like status he tried to trick Rachel into unleashing its power so that he would be destroyed, she refused.) The all consuming waves of energy from this artefact cause a “total disruption of the nuclear and gravimetric lines of force that bind all matter together”. All that exists ceases to be. One of the things telekinetic godhood gives phoenix is “total telekinetic control of matter at the molecular level”. While there are others who have power to rearrange matter, only phoenix has the power to do so on the multiversal scale. Other than that phoenixes don’t get involved in the ongoings of creation unless they have want. This is supported by New Xmen 154. Her rearranging of the 616 universe in terms of both its matter and its time/space was a personal action. Quentin Quire said that he would just leave the 616 universe to die but she saved it because it was her universe and otherwise her loved ones would have died if she didn’t intervene:
That’s the only explanation suggested by the comics so far as to why Phoenix isn’t around for sagas such as IG and The End. However it is completely feasible when you consider some of the relatively minor cosmic entities who play major roles in such sagas. So her absence says nothing of her power but as New Xmen suggested is because it is not phoenixes role in the scheme of things to get involved in such affairs especially when it knows that without its intervention, these things will sort themselves out as has always been the case. Things phoenix has got involved with needed her attention because otherwise existence and the cycle of creation would have ended. For example phoenixes latest intervention was Sublime. The sentient bacteria that could posess people. It possessed Beast and through him and his resources tried to harness the power of the ultimate mutation like Stranger did in Xmen Forever. Phoenix had to stop Sublime because without her intervention nothing else could.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
In issue 1 of Xmen Forever the heroes are told of how the abstracts fearing their future replacement will act to destroy humanity before its too late for even the abstracts to stop them. Prosh the sentient ship of the Celestials then generates an image of the abstracts who he is referring to, the ones due to be replaced in the end:
What is space/time = Eternity
LT > Space/time
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
In issue 6 the Stranger calls Jean the “touchstone” of his plans. He plans to use Phoenix to become the supreme being over all of the other abstracts. The Stranger tells Jean how her time as Phoenix scared the other abstracts and how it caused them to focus on the future problem of humanity. Stranger shows Jean how humanity is going to evolve to replace the abstracts by manifesting an image of a D.N.A chain slowly turning into eternity. He sought the power because he believed the abstracts fearing their future replacement would take out humanity before this potential was realized. Stranger tells Jean that through the power of this ultimate mutation, through phoenix he will be able to usurp the fundamental forces and end reality, before creating it anew leaving himself the sole survivor of the new reality. Stranger then manifests an image to Jean of what will phoenix will allow him to do:
Read again I told you this comic defies other marvel comics
It is talking about Universe.
LT is not part of the universe
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
While Stranger is talks to Jean outside of the range of Strangers perceptions and tells her that the Stranger is very wrong. The abstracts aren’t going to stand against humanity and destroy them, because they ensured they created humanity for the very purpose of ending reality:“””””“He plans to spark humanitys evolution now and turn it into a raging inferno which will engulf the cosmos with the end of all that is...What the Stranger fails to comprehend is that the abstract entities accept the inevitable fate of the universe! It is the cyclical nature of the tapestry to weave its own end to a new beginning. To start the process all over again. Indeed that is why we created the human race.”””””
The creation and later advancement of humanity is a part of the natural life cycle of a universe. The abstracts use the Celestials to plant genetic potential in early life-forms to ensure the creation of the human race, to ensure that this final stage of evolution occurs. Those of omega potential are the fruition of their work, those closest to reaching this ultimate mutation that is phoenix. When that happens in all universes the phoenix consciousness the primal force of creation ends creation. As you have seen from what ifs, from earthX, Universes X and many other marvel titles that portray characters from alternate realities, humanity is present in the universes throughout the multiverses. Humanity is the abstracts effort to continue the cycle of life. It happens in all universes due to the actions of the abstracts present in their respective realities. However as was shown by this title those of ultimate potential, those who possess telekinetic godhood surpass all of the abstracts, LT included. Stranger sought to use Jean as the top phoenix the key to it all, to place himself as the supreme being above LT even:
This is what X-men forever is saying
Mutants someday > Universal Abstract
Apparently the writers don't know the meaning of Universal