Order and Chaos (in the nexus of all reality)
Eternity = one reality
End of eternity = all getting replace ------- false
Order and chaos has effect over the nexus that contains all of existence (god’s creation)
IG , HOTU , LT > phoenix
Because all of that defeated power over all reality
😄 END OF story
*sigh*
If Order and Chaos were multiversal, then there would be no need for the LT. The scan says that it is the meeting place of dichotomies. It didn't say that Lord Chaos and Master Order were even there, much less ruled. It also didn't state that order and chaos were the only dichotomies present.
Incidentally, Eternity told Order and Chaos that the Infinity Crusade was none of their affair. If they sit higher than Eternity on the food chain, it would have been their prerogative to interfere, since the Infinity Crusade was all about mystical imbalance.
LT and Phoenix might be equals, but neither IG or HOTU comes close to either. You have to remember that LT uses M-bodies too, so what was absorbed by Thanos was an M-body, not the LT itself. He said time and time and time again that he destroyed a reality, a universe, an actuality. He didn't destroy everything in existence. He only destroyed HIS universe. He even says that.
I don't think that everything that has happened between the Dark Phoenix Saga and Endsong is necessarily contradictory. I think the journey from 1981, was it, to 2005 was just more exposition on a character. It was people grasping at a concept that was far beyond them. The MU is beginning to understand what exactly Phoenix is.
KG for a start stop making out like you're showing people what i was talking about, what i was using to support my claims because you're not and you know you're not. You have access to the comic apparrrently and a scanner. I have access to the comics. I have pointed out to you what pages show what, yet you've chosen to be very selective with what scans you've posted. That says it all. At the end of the day its in comic book form. Phoenix wins. That scan you have of Prosh with the abstracts is one of three in the 6 issue series, i've listed what issue number and page number to scan from yet you've chosen to show that one instead of the one saying LT is going to get replaced and the final one which shows LT on his knees, humbled before the Stranger who has tapped into the ultimate mutations power. Why have you not shown these?
When Jean contained the crystal that was before the retcon period. Get it right KG so that was not the same phoenix that LT greeted and hld in his hand. Even during the retcon some writers did embrace Chris C's ideas and took them on instead of ignoring them. That swhy you had Phoenix being stated in X-ternals 3/4 as being the only power great enough to contain the M'kraan crystal and of course Xmen Forever which first presented clearly how Phoenix as the ultimate mutation was beyond LT and the rest of the abstracts. The retcon cleared up the phoenix situation KG you're just gpoing to have to accept that. LT had in his hand a shard of Jeans essence the shard which Rachel could call on and tap into because of her genetic connection with Jean, however Rachel is not a true phoenix avatar, maybe she will be in the future who knows. Thinking about it now KG even Excalibur during the retcon period supports the idea that what Rachel called upon was just a shard of Jeans essence. In Excalibur 61(i'll check on the precise issue) when Rachel asks Phoenix to show its true form it appears to her in the golden form of jean grey.
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Were GS said LT will get replaced because the after universe dies lol
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KG LT was also beyond the single reality that Thanos destroyed in "the End" yet he was still taken down. That argument is defunct. What you're forgetting is that eternity tells Jean that the abstracts all accept their replacement because this replacement, this advancement of humanity is a part of the natural life cycle of a universe of a reality. It happens in them all KG. I think you need to have a re-read of that series.
Originally posted by kgkg
Order and Chaos (in the nexus of all reality)Eternity = one reality
End of eternity = all getting replace ------- false
Order and chaos has effect over the nexus that contains all of existence (god’s creation)
IG , HOTU , LT > phoenix
Because all of that defeated power over all reality
😄 END OF story
What you're forgetting is that it is a natural part of the life cycle of a universe. As Eternity says. It happens in all universes im sorry to inform you. Check out issue 6. Jean and eternities conversation.
Incorrect KG. Allow me the pleasure of enlightening you. Order and Chaos exist at the nexus of A reality. The nexus of all realities (existence, creation) is the M'kraan crystal. Common knowledge. But its cool, feel no shame in the fact that i had to point it out to you. Order and Chaos as shown in Forever are one of the abstracts which get replaced as well im afraid, along with LT. As clearly shown. Next time post the right scans KG.
If Order and Chaos were multiversal, then there would be no need for the LT. The scan says that it is the meeting place of dichotomies. It didn't say that Lord Chaos and Master Order were even there, much less ruled. It also didn't state that order and chaos were the only dichotomies present. Incidentally, Eternity told Order and Chaos that the Infinity Crusade was none of their affair. If they sit higher than Eternity on the food chain, it would have been their prerogative to interfere, since the Infinity Crusade was all about mystical imbalance. LT and Phoenix might be equals, but neither IG or HOTU comes close to either. You have to remember that LT uses M-bodies too, so what was absorbed by Thanos was an M-body, not the LT itself. He said time and time and time again that he destroyed a reality, a universe, an actuality. He didn't destroy everything in existence. He only destroyed HIS universe. He even says that. I don't think that everything that has happened between the Dark Phoenix Saga and Endsong is necessarily contradictory. I think the journey from 1981, was it, to 2005 was just more exposition on a character. It was people grasping at a concept that was far beyond them. The MU is beginning to understand what exactly Phoenix is.
There is no if
Order and Chaos are beyond the universe.
that scans says that there realm , this has been stated by the living Tribunal also.
When the multiverse was being effect it effect order and choas
death is also multiversal -------- when beyonder ( so called killed ) her it had multiversal effect.
only once who is limited to one universe are Eternity , and universal abstract
just being multiversal doesn’t mean you are stronger than eternity
has been stated in many comics
When
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What you're forgetting is that it is a natural part of the life cycle of a universe. As Eternity says. It happens in all universes im sorry to inform you. Check out issue 6. Jean and eternities conversation.Incorrect KG. Allow me the pleasure of enlightening you. Order and Chaos exist at the nexus of A reality. The nexus of all realities (existence, creation) is the M'kraan crystal. Common knowledge. But its cool, feel no shame in the fact that i had to point it out to you. Order and Chaos as shown in Forever are one of the abstracts which get replaced as well im afraid, along with LT. As clearly shown. Next time post the right scans KG.
Wrong
Crystal was contained by Phoenix -------- same phoenix that couldn't stop LT
1994-1995 no lol
😆
Originally posted by kgkg
There is no ifOrder and Chaos are beyond the universe.
that scans says that there realm , this has been stated by the living Tribunal also.
When the multiverse was being effect it effect order and choas
death is also multiversal -------- when beyonder ( so called killed ) her it had multiversal effect.
only once who is limited to one universe are Eternity , and universal abstract
just being multiversal doesn’t mean you are stronger than eternity
has been stated in many comics
When
Im not going to debate with you over whether or not they are multiversal or not bcause i dont need to nothings changed. In the natural scheme of things the end of all universes is the evolution of humanity. When this happens when they reach this ultimate mutation, they replace all of the abstracts, creation ends, theses higher beings dissolve into the white hot room and phoenix begins creation anew.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Im not going to debate with you over whether or not they are multiversal or not bcause i dont need to nothings changed. In the natural scheme of things the end of all universes is the evolution of humanity. When this happens when they reach this ultimate mutation, they replace all of the abstracts, creation ends, theses higher beings dissolve into the white hot room and phoenix begins creation anew.
Does it name all abstract
Does it say LT will be replaced? NO
Just use logic GS end of Universe = End of multiversal abstract
creation= universe read again lol
Originally posted by kgkg
Where does it say all abstract will be replaceDoes it name all abstract
Does it say LT will be replaced? NO
Just use logic GS end of Universe = End of multiversal abstract
creation= universe read again lol
By your logic Thanos taking out LT by absorbing that reality in the END shouldnt have happened because LT is multiversal. It doesnt work like that KG. If you have a problem take it up with marvel. Just accept it. It clearly states that all the abstracts are going to get replaced. It then shows on three occcassions what abstracts its talking about. Lt was there on all three occassions. The last time he was on his kness before Stranger who had harnessed the power of the ultimate mutation.
By your logic Thanos taking out LT by absorbing that reality in the END shouldnt have happened because LT is multiversal. It doesnt work like that KG. If you have a problem take it up with marvel. Just accept it. It clearly states that all the abstracts are going to get replaced. It then shows on three occcassions what abstracts its talking about. Lt was there on all three occassions. The last time he was on his kness before Stranger who had harnessed the power of the ultimate mutation.
LT = gods creation
Logic flows
And X-men forever is all bunch of bullshit
Note again universe ---- all of X-men forever is talking about is Universe ( just read it Universe after Universe )
LT > Universe is it that hard to understand?
LT was about to destroy a universe ( so he was going to get replaced)
Lol
Originally posted by kgkg
Thanos = all of god's creation (all that is)LT = gods creation
Logic flows
And X-men forever is all bunch of bullshit
Note again universe ---- all of X-men forever is talking about is Universe ( just read it Universe after Universe )
LT > Universe is it that hard to understand?
LT was about to destroy a universe ( so he was going to get replaced)
Lol
You are seeing things so narrow mindedly KG. It wasnt simply about destroying a universe. If that was the case then LT and the rest of the abstracts would have stood up against humanity before they evolved. Thats what the story was about. Stranger thought it was all about destroying the universe, therefore he thought he'd harness this power before the abstracts took out humanity before it had reached its potential. Eternity then goes on to tell Jean that it is not just about the destruction of the universe, its a part of the ongoing cycle of creation, its the way all universes end and therefore the abstracts accept their replacement.
No LT doesnt simply go down automatically if a universe gets destroyed KG. Thats not what the comic or im saying. Its the way all universes end and therefore all realities. Its not just about th eend of one universe. Thats why eternity and all the others siad they accept it. Its natural it always happens. That is why being multiversal doesnt matter KG. It happens in all universes.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You are seeing things so narrow mindedly KG. It wasnt simply about destroying a universe. If that was the case then LT and the rest of the abstracts would have stood up against humanity before they evolved. Thats what the story was about. Stranger thought it was all about destroying the universe, therefore he thought he'd harness this power before the abstracts took out humanity before it had reached its potential. Eternity then goes on to tell Jean that it is not just about the destruction of the universe, its a part of the ongoing cycle of creation, its the way all universes end and therefore the abstracts accept their replacement.
Human's = eternity
end of LT , Chaos , Order
yaaaaaaa OK
That contradicts all of marvel
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
No LT doesnt simply go down automatically if a universe gets destroyed KG. Thats not what the comic or im saying. Its the way all universes end and therefore all realities. Its not just about th eend of one universe. Thats why eternity and all the others siad they accept it. Its natural it always happens. That is why being multiversal doesnt matter KG. It happens in all universes.
Where does it say it happens in all Universes
Read it again GS
it is talking about Eternity = One universe = one reality
do i need to show scans? lol
if this is correct contradiction with marvel universe
Originally posted by kgkg
Where does it say it happens in all UniversesRead it again GS
it is talking about Eternity = One universe = one reality
do i need to show scans? lol
if this is correct contradiction with marvel universe
Please says that this evolution of humanity is a natural part of th elife cycle of a universe. What does that mean KG? It means that in the natural scheme of things humanity evolves into the state shown in Xmen Forever in all universes all realities. Read the conversation with eternity its there in black and white.
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so
Human's = eternity
end of LT , Chaos , Order
yaaaaaaa OK
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KG stop looking at things so narrow mindedly. The abstracts are all replaced this final mutation results in them being one with creation so of course theyre going to replace eternity which was shown by that D.NA strand morphing into a picture of Eternity. That was conveying the eventual replacement, just like that picture of LT on his knees was.
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Please says that this evolution of humanity is a natural part of th elife cycle of a universe. What does that mean KG? It means that in the natural scheme of things humanity evolves into the state shown in Xmen Forever in all universes all realities. Read the conversation with eternity its there in black and white.
Please tell me where it says all universes all realities? Stop making shit up
Were does it says all universes and realities will be effected? It was talking about one universe, I have the comic in front of me.
All I see this universe, Eternity, Universe lol
KG stop looking at things so narrow mindedly. The abstracts are all replaced this final mutation results in them being one with creation so of course theyre going to replace eternity which was shown by that D.NA strand morphing into a picture of Eternity. That was conveying the eventual replacement, just like that picture of LT on his knees was.
Abstracts are getting replaced? Where does it say that?
And how can end of universe = abstract getting replace
false.
Why is LT > Phoenix because Thanos said so , because All abstract say so
You are talking this to seriously GS