Originally posted by Deus Ex
Did you not see the scan where Supes was in the upper atmosphere generating electricity in the form of a storm? Do you really think that someone who can nap in the sun is affected so drastically by electricity? Or are you reading twelve year old comics again?Reply: omfg u have no comis!
^ This prooves my point and everyone elses.
Originally posted by jinzinActually you keep making claims about the characterbeing able to do something he has NOT been proven able to do. Just like the spiderman fans claim that spiderman can knock wolverine out.
<<<”You're doing the same thing the spiderman fans are doing in the vs wolverine threads.”>>>No I’m not 🙄… the spiderman fans claim that spiderman is capable of doing something (KOing logan/dodging everything) even after spiderman’s proven to be incapable of accomplishing said feat in spite of actually trying… I’ve provided you evidence for everything I’ve claimed and all you can combat it with is the misuse of the word hyperbole…
If anything, you seem to be debating more like a spiderman fan here, ignoring the fact that superman has been both hit and staggered by slower and weaker opponents than goku simply due to a few pictures of him moving fast…
You also rely on low end feats to lower your opponent. Like The spiderman fans pointing out wolverine being beaten by daredevil.
Do you even knlow what Hyperbole is?
Until you've proven the characters are able to do something conclussively then it is just a gross exageration of the characters.
Originally posted by jinzinPost actual evidence instead of fanboyism "OMG! GUKO IZ DA BUMB! HE LIKE BLO PLANS UP AND STUFF!"
<<<”Then put in the support beams ”>>>I already have, it’s not my fault that you choose to ignore the evidence you don’t agree with.. what more can I do?
He has not been shown to be able to. Majin Vegeta didn't blow up a planet when using all of his energy, and Goku didn't survive a supposedly planet destroying blast either.
Originally posted by jinzinNot, it's too bad that you are.
<<<”Hyperbole and hearsay are insufficient.”>>>Then it’s a good thing I’m not using them..
Originally posted by jinzinYour own precieved effects of a given power level which has not proven to be universal to the characters nor to allow for feats of the power levels that you claim them to do.
I’m using feats as a basis and power levels
Originally posted by jinzinNo, hyperbole and hearsay, nothing more.
as the “support beams” to further my arguments..
Originally posted by jinzinNo, just what your unfounded claims of what they can do. when they've shown to be unabkle to do that which you claim they are able to.
but as I said if you’re going to ignore how power levels work/[quote] Particularly when they fail to work the way you decribe.[QUOTE=5212167]Originally posted by jinzin
than there’s no use in debating with you on the matter since you’re ignoring what the dbz characters can do…
Originally posted by jinzinThank you spiderman fan.
<<<“No, we've already had people try to lower supes down with out dated evidence that is counteracted by newer events.”>>>Newer events? Okay.. superman got punched over cascades my a single doomsday animate… creatures that couldn’t even touch batman…
He got smacked around by the flaming skull from the axis of evil….
He got messed up by wonder woman.. all characters who wouldn’t even hold a candle to goku.. not even close… at all…..
/[quote]And you do it again.[QUOTE=5212167]Originally posted by jinzin
<<<”Now why would I POSSIBLY think that?”>>> cause it’s true…
Originally posted by jinzinThank you spiderman fan for proving me right.
a possessed batman with a 50 ton strength increase beat the crap out of him…
Originally posted by jinzinHyperbole until proven.
<<<“Outdated. ”>>>
Wrong again.. the 3 examples I just gave you were all from comics that have been on the shelves for the last couple of months now…
<<<“I'm sorry if he's at a level greater than you want him to be. Goku's the one that hasn't once shown to be up to where you say he is. ”>>>He’s literally thousands upon thousands of times stronger than
Originally posted by jinzinBecuase Goku has not shown that level of ability. In fact a character that was up there (Maijin vegeta) FAILED to blow up a planet with an OMNIdirectional blast that expended ALL of his energy.
a guy who was able to level a planet with his finger tip… how so?
Originally posted by jinzin"50 Ton batman beat the crap out of him!"
<<<”I'm affraid you wanting him to be lower doesn't make it true. How about instead of lowering Superman down from levels we've already shown him to be at, you show goku is at the levels you say he is. “>>>It has nothing to do with how I want him to be..
Stop trying to lie to me, I'm not stupid you know.
Originally posted by jinzinYou mean goku right?
the fact is he’s not as powerful as people are assuming him to be
Originally posted by jinzinNo you haven't. You've made claims and backed it up with more claims and backed that up with flawed arguments that go against actual events.
here… we’ve already shown how goku is as powerful as our claims
Originally posted by jinzinWith a lack of evidence? I'm not phased, still waiting for proof of your claims beyond
provide.. you can’t seem to cope…
Originally posted by jinzinHow is Maijin Vegeta failing to blow up a planet when expending all of his energy in an omnidirectional blast an exageration?
<<<“Oh so now it's pis because you don't like it?”>>>
Not really… perhaps PIS was the wrong word to use (not that I was evenmaking a statement but asking a question, but whatever) but I couldn’t think of another one….. how about exaggeration is that better?
It was Maijuin Vegeta.
That expended ALL of his energy, (killing him in the process)
in an omnidirectional blast. (it was a bubble around him with him being at the very center)
that failed to blow up the planet (Big crater, planet was still there)
How is that an exageration if that is EXACTLY what happened?
Originally posted by jinzinI'm not stupid. a rhetorical question phrased in a manner to invoke thought about it in the same manner that one might make a statement is sardonic irony. Something I'm quite familiar with thank you.
<<<“THis coming from the man who tries to rationalize S vs FL? You just called the black hole feats pis.”>>>No I didn’t… I asked a question…
Originally posted by jinzinA statement phrased as a question is still a statement. I'm not stupid, get over it.
<<<<“Contradicted your last statement.”>>>What stament? It was a question get over it…
Originally posted by jinzinRight. 🙄
<<<“Your interpritation of supes, much like the spiderfans saying logan was begging for his life in any encounter with spiderman.”>>>It has nothing to do with my interpretation but rather how he’s been presented… even recently.. sorry you don’t like it…
Originally posted by jinzinYes because expending all of his energy in an omnidirectional blast is holding back. 🙄
<<<”He holds back, Like the other superheros. If they didn't hold back Logan would have killed Peter.”>>>
You mean like how vegeta held back the destructive force of his power to keep the earth in one piece.. and you said I was using double standards.. pffft…
Originally posted by jinzinAnd proved yourself to be a liar again. Nice.
<<<<"No one is trying to lower superman." >>>>How is this lowering? With every character you have to take the bad with the good.. superman does get hit by these guys.. and hurt by them.. and NONE of them are even close to goku’s speed and power…. Again.. sorry you don’t like it..
Originally posted by jinzinRight. it was a higher power level that killed him. Guess Goku's never been up to par with the bad guys other than freiza huh?
<<<“Like when Wolverine has low showings that are glorified?”>>> how about when goku is killed by a planet buster and it’s ignored that he was killed by the higher power level rather than the size of the explosion?
Guess Superman's higher power level will allow him to one punch Goku into an early grave.
Originally posted by jinzinThat's funny considering I'm STILL on the side with the evidence, and not using low end showings, just to lower the other character. I'm pointing out closests calls to the like nature.
<<<<“You sound EXACTLY like a Spiderman fan now. ”>>>>
So are you the pot or the kettle now?
You claim a kamehameha will destroy the earth, and then when you refuse to show a kamehameha destroying the Earth I decide to show where a kamehameha actually does hit the earth. IT's not my fault that it didn't destroy the earth like you claimed.
You claim that a DBZ character will easily destroy a solar system with no effort. then when you refuse to show a dbz character destorying the solar system with a minor portion of their power I decide to show where a character uses ALL of their energy in an omni directioal blast. It's not my fault that it falls incredibly short of you claims.
And then you whine about control, and I'm thinking "If they could do these things with a MINOR portion of their power than these minor (I'm still curious about the control thing with vegeta, since it was all and all) uses of their power. Certainly if freiza could destroy the planet with a finger tip then this character that is infinite x8 times stronger than frieza should be able to do it with an eyelash, and ANY little bit of it's ki that so much a touches a single grain of sand should destroy the earth in the blink of an eye, like you claim. And yet somehow they fail to do that when either using a minor portion or a major portion.
Originally posted by jinzinI see the strawnman here since we are talking about number that you cliam them to be as opposed to numbers you know are fixed.
<<<“it's more reliable than guestimates based off of lack of empirical knowledge.”>>>Anything times two equals twice the amount of the original number.. well I’ve never tried it to all the positive numbers therefore I can’t prove that it applies to every positive number…. see where that logic falters?
Originally posted by jinzinI'm not ignoring the system. I'm pointing out where it doesn't work the way you claim, mr. expert.
By ignoring the system that dbz runs on your also ignoring what these characters can do…
Originally posted by jinzinbased off of the empirical knowledge we currently have. and it's not so bold as
<<<“Which might level off and not have as strong a power increase as you think it does.”>>>
For someone that wants so much empirical proof you are certainly making a bold assumption right here..
"Do the characters have enough energy to destroy the solar system?
OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHH YEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!"
and then when empirical evidence is shown it fails to do so.
Originally posted by jinzinOther than Buu's kamehameha and Majin vegeta's omnidirectional destruction blasts, which are the closest things to your claims we have seen so far in the Buu saga.
there’s never been any evidence to support this… or anything even close…
Originally posted by jinzinOh I'm sorry I forgot that their energy does only what they want it to so is subjectively applicable to your power level scale.
<<<”Wishful thinking.”>>>
No it’s not… it’s logical../[quote] Yes, quite logical to make a claim that goes against what has been shown. riiight. . .
[QUOTE=5212167]Originally posted by jinzin
<<<<“Except for the fact that What you said about Superman is actually true about Goku, and not the other way around.Goku can destroy solar systems right? Vegeta's stronger than Goku right?
How come they failed to do that when they tried? ”>>>
Simple.. they never tried.. that’s where your logic falters again…
My bad.
Originally posted by jinzinBecause Obviously expending all of their energy and not even destroying a planet is not enough evidence. *rolleyes*
if they ever DID try to take out the solar system, and fail you might have a point..
Originally posted by jinzinExcuses you mean. because they do NOT explain why when expending ALL of his energy.
but as it stands now, you’ve got nothing but a misunderstanding on your part of a certain event that’s already been explained for you… you just keep ignoring the explaination..
And that's the reall syncher thing.
ALL of his energy in an OMNIdirectional balst he failed to do anything other than make a big hole in the ground.
Originally posted by jinzinYeah greater than a certain number and we're back down below roshi's 3,000. . . MV ODB AE
<<<“Which still has yet to be shown exactly how that works, cause it doesn't seem to work out very well when those numbers aren't being called off after Freiza. . .”>>>It was shown perfectly how they work
Originally posted by jinzinYeah, but when they stopped they seem to stop working.
when the numbers were being used…
Originally posted by jinzinyes because its obviously misinterpreted when he uses all of his energy - I'm not misinterpriting them you're making excuses for them that do not make ANY sense.
how do they fail to work afterwards?[/qyuote] I've shown you many times, not my fault you're so blinded by your fanboyism (and I thought you claimed to only be a fanboy of that one character.) you refuse to see the truth and only see the characters as gods that they are actually NOT.[QUOTE=5212167]Originally posted by jinzin
I mean rather than using misinterpreted events..
Originally posted by jinzinNope.
<<<“No, that's reasoning over empirical knowledge, because you're discarding ther fact that that would be true of anything. the statue of liberty is as big as my thumb, until I get close to it. . . so that's opbviously not empirical knowledge.”>>>It is though…
Originally posted by jinzin🙄 Obviously not.
That’s the thing.. you can walk up to the statue to see that it’s bigger… after a closer inspection… through reasoning you deduce that the statue didn’t grow as you got closer to it, but rather that it only APPEARED to be smaller than it truly is at a distance.. Furthermore through reasoning you deduce that the statue is the same size when you walk away from it… It doesn’t shrink... It only appears smaller...[/quopte] Do you have any idea what the difference between reasoning and emipirical knowledge is?[QUOTE=5212167]Originally posted by jinzin
The difference between that and the sun is that you can’t walk towards the sun to get a better inspection on it.. through reasoning you have to infer that the sun is larger than it appears… empirical knowledge doesn’t always work to support a truthful answer…
Originally posted by Creshosk
ACtually it proves our points quite well.Do YOU have any Superman comics? 🙄
I told you I am a superman fan and yes I have the mans comics and other superman items. Just because i debate against the man doesn't mean I hate his guts and have no knowledge. I mean thet duex guy said I have not one superman comic and you say nothing and thinks he debate good when he is just laching on on what you and dvamp are saying. I see this with you alot now, if some one disagrees with you you become disrespectful.
(awaits a response to prove my point)
Originally posted by TwisterGameX
I told you I am a superman fan and yes I have the mans comics and other superman items. Just because i debate against the man doesn't mean I hate his guts and have no knowledge. I mean thet duex guy said I have not one superman comic and you say nothing and thinks he debate good when he is just laching on on what you and dvamp are saying. I see this with you alot now, if some one disagrees with you you become disrespectful.(awaits a response to prove my point)
I think you're missing the point though; I don't own any Superman comics now. I used to have quite a few. And my buddy's uncle was a comic nerd growing up... he has some original action comics and the first Uncanny X-Men just to name a few. Now, I don't have any comics to scan to prove my point, so I rely on a well-structured argument and I cite evidence that was posted even before I came into this mess. It's not like I'm riding on their coattails; I prove my own valid points more often then not.
Just no one ever pays attention.
Originally posted by Deus Ex
I think you're missing the point though; I don't own any Superman comics now. I used to have quite a few. And my buddy's uncle was a comic nerd growing up... he has some original action comics and the first Uncanny X-Men just to name a few. Now, I don't have any comics to scan to prove my point, so I rely on a well-structured argument and I cite evidence that was posted even before I came into this mess. It's not like I'm riding on their coattails; I prove my own valid points more often then not.Just no one ever pays attention.
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