Superman could take a minute sundip & it would only put him another bar above Goku. Goku can't mess with uber beings like Darkseid, the Hulk, Thanos, Mongul, Wonder Woman, The Sentry & many many more superheroes/super-villains. Once you look & see all of the people that can beat Goku, he won't seem all that strong to you anymore unless you compare him to people like Spiderman or the F4.
Originally posted by Superman_045
Superman could take a minute sundip & it would only put him another bar above Goku. Goku can't mess with uber beings like Darkseid, the Hulk, Thanos, Mongul, Wonder Woman, The Sentry & many many more superheroes/super-villains. Once you look & see all of the people that can beat Goku, he won't seem all that strong to you anymore unless you compare him to people like Spiderman or the F4.
Dayum....I wish my friend(who is a DBZ fan) will take a look and read at this forum. He thinks Goku is Mr A$$ kicker NO. 1
Originally posted by bean_machine
Wooohooo people are starting to see the light. Persistence does pay off I guess. 😉
Not even, superman is just written so that he can always win, the man went from being faster then a speeding bullet to faster then the speed of light and having "Soul vision", he's my favorite hero but he's overpowered.
Originally posted by bean_machine
Well he can just vibrate intangigle so as the planet explodes, nothing happens to him. Anyways of goku blows up the planet then he is ****ed and Superman can survive in space. Goku then IT to another place but that is considered BFR.I mean Supes took on a blast that equal to a million nukes. This is all post crisis shit shit too.
PC Supes can travel back in time. He'll do that and then proceed on killing an infant Kakarot.
I mean these are just a few of the possibilities that Supes has. He is too versitle and can defeat Goku numerous ways.
I mean come on before you post shit, know what you are talking about. Goku can't harm a being that can become intangible at will.
But he only has to survive an exploding planet if Goku wants to do that which he can by sheer stamina or by becoming intangible. Goku can't survive in space and Superman can. So where once was a battlefield now there is empty space and Superman, while Goku far away loses due to BFR.
If Goku can leave the battlefield then Supes can go into the sun for a sundip and **** Goku over like he's never before.
I mean Goku loves training to become stronger. The more he trains the stronger he is. All Superman has to do to become leagues stronger than he is is to take a nap in the sun.
How can Goku compete with that?
Originally posted by batdude123
Anybody who thinks Goku would beat Superman, have fun. 😉 Check the very first post. :
^^^ 😉
Originally posted by bean_machine
But he only has to survive an exploding planet if Goku wants to do that which he can by sheer stamina or by becoming intangible. Goku can't survive in space and Superman can. So where once was a battlefield now there is empty space and Superman, while Goku far away loses due to BFR.If Goku can leave the battlefield then Supes can go into the sun for a sundip and **** Goku over like he's never before.
I mean Goku loves training to become stronger. The more he trains the stronger he is. All Superman has to do to become leagues stronger than he is is to take a nap in the sun.
How can Goku compete with that?
blow up the sun, I thought that would be obvious.. and goku CAN surive in a space... but only for has long as he can hold his breath, there is a generalized miscinception that the vaccumm of space will cause a person to implode explode freeze ect ect.. but that's not true.. as long as one can hold their breath in space they can live.... goku attacks then uses I.T. to book ass to another planet.... superman has NEVER shown the capibility to withstand the explosion of 833 planets.. EVER.... goku unleashes that kind of power and superman's more or less done in this fight.. intangible? pffft.. first off we're giving him the benefit of the doubt that he's likely to do this at the right time And then the benefit of the doubt that he can do it for an indefinite length of time... superman never consistantly does this to avoid enemy blows...
I mean sure he's done it a couple of times but he doesn't know exactly how to time it perfectly every time.. I mean otherwise he wouldn't be getting hit by the likes of darksied, batman, lobo, orion, and wonderwoman, doomsday clones, zod, gog etc etc.... to say that he would become intangible everytime goku's about to do something that would hurt him neglects about 99% of superman's showings when he gets hit by things/people/attacks etc etc...
and don't even get me started on giving supes the benefit of the doubt that he'll be able to take a sundip at any time of his choosing... he won't have that kind of time.
Originally posted by jinzin
blow up the sun, I thought that would be obvious.. and goku CAN surive in a space... but only for has long as he can hold his breath, there is a generalized miscinception that the vaccumm of space will cause a person to implode explode freeze ect ect.. but that's not true.. as long as one can hold their breath in space they can live.... goku attacks then uses I.T. to book ass to another planet.... superman has NEVER shown the capibility to withstand the explosion of 833 planets.. EVER.... goku unleashes that kind of power and superman's more or less done in this fight.. intangible? pffft.. first off we're giving him the benefit of the doubt that he's likely to do this at the right time And then the benefit of the doubt that he can do it for an indefinite length of time... superman never consistantly does this to avoid enemy blows...
I mean sure he's done it a couple of times but he doesn't know exactly how to time it perfectly every time.. I mean otherwise he wouldn't be getting hit by the likes of darksied, batman, lobo, orion, and wonderwoman, doomsday clones, zod, gog etc etc.... to say that he would become intangible everytime goku's about to do something that would hurt him neglects about 99% of superman's showings when he gets hit by things/people/attacks etc etc...and don't even get me started on giving supes the benefit of the doubt that he'll be able to take a sundip at any time of his choosing... he won't have that kind of time.
Superman wins jinzin, He has way to many plot devices, in a real fight with full power superman wins he's like a freaking cosmic being( Can't believe I said that). Superman is faster, stronger, and has more experience in fighting, combine that with the fact he can get stronger by sun dipping and you realize he's unbeatable without kryptonite, and let's say he begins to lose DC will just write him a new plot device, it's pointless fighting him.
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Superman wins jinzin, He has way to many plot devices, in a real fight with full power superman wins he's like a freaking cosmic being( Can't believe I said that). Superman is faster, stronger, and has more experience in fighting, combine that with the fact he can get stronger by sun dipping and you realize he's unbeatable without kryptonite, and let's say he begins to lose DC will just write him a new plot device, it's pointless fighting him.
faster? no.. goku just as fast..
stronger? maybe.. brute force wise sure.. goku however is strong enough to contend and is far more powerful energy projection wise... sun dipping.. pffft.. and goku can get stronger by drawing on energies from people throughout the multiverse... that really isn't enough evidence to say superman wins and it's that simpel cause clearly it's not that simple.
Originally posted by jinzin
faster? no.. goku just as fast..stronger? maybe.. brute force wise sure.. goku however is strong enough to contend and is far more powerful energy projection wise... sun dipping.. pffft.. and goku can get stronger by drawing on energies from people throughout the multiverse... that really isn't enough evidence to say superman wins and it's that simpel cause clearly it's not that simple.
Superman travels 99% the spped of light on earth and beyond in space, when has goku displayed such speed?
EDIT: and last I checked people must give him energy for him to be stronger he can't take it.
Not to mention I see no way in hell people are going to give their energy so Goku can win over Superman. It's Superman we're talking about Icon of millions throughout the universe. The grandaddy of them all. Sure. All they're going to do is <^> Goku and tell him to shove it up his ass.
Besides didn't Goku just do that for his Spirit Bombs? I don't really remember that happening without it being for a Spirit Bomb--and I was quite the DBZ fan. Hell I still am. Even if it's for the glorious Spirit Bomb superman will decapitate him before Goku farts out of fear when he sees him coming--he won't see him anyway.
Jinzin is such a fanboy. Superman can take Goku's most powerful Kamehameha & walk away unscathed, even Kryptonite doesn't really hurt Superman now adays. As for the breathing in space part, Superman can breathe in space so if Goku is holding his breath, he'll eventually have to let go, he can't hold his breath forever. Goku isn't even close to Superman in brute strength & speed, Goku struggled with 40 ton weights in his base form, he had to turn Super Saiyan to be able to lift the weights. Superman doesn't need extra forms, unlike Goku. And lastly, the only reason you said ''Pft'' about Superman sundipping is because you know that's his powerup just in case Goku happens to give him trouble (never, lol) & you're trying to dismiss it. Give it up, you're as good of a debator as I'm good at making football's out of my on shit.
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Superman travels 99% the spped of light on earth and beyond in space, when has goku displayed such speed?EDIT: and last I checked people must give him energy for him to be stronger he can't take it.
when hasn't goku been able to take other people's energy? the hell?
goku's traveling speed has been displayed using I.T. it's xxxx times the speed of light... I mean namekian ships travel dozens of times faster than the speed of light and dbz fighters are even faster than that...
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Not to mention I see no way in hell people are going to give their energy so Goku can win over Superman. It's Superman we're talking about Icon of millions throughout the universe. The grandaddy of them all. Sure. All they're going to do is <^> Goku and tell him to shove it up his ass.Besides didn't Goku just do that for his Spirit Bombs? I don't really remember that happening without it being for a Spirit Bomb--and I was quite the DBZ fan. Hell I still am. Even if it's for the glorious Spirit Bomb superman will decapitate him before Goku farts out of fear when he sees him coming--he won't see him anyway.
goku's displayed the ability a number of times.. mostly when he makes spirit bombs though...
however.. in superman's earth supes is a hero to the earth sure.. in goku's world goku gets energy from the entire universe and even from people in the afterlife... he clearly has more support comparitively.
Originally posted by Superman_045
Jinzin is such a fanboy. Superman can take Goku's most powerful Kamehameha & walk away unscathed, even Kryptonite doesn't really hurt Superman now adays. As for the breathing in space part, Superman can breathe in space so if Goku is holding his breath, he'll eventually have to let go, he can't hold his breath forever. Goku isn't even close to Superman in brute strength & speed, Goku struggled with 40 ton weights in his base form, he had to turn Super Saiyan to be able to lift the weights. Superman doesn't need extra forms, unlike Goku. And lastly, the only reason you said ''Pft'' about Superman sundipping is because you know that's his powerup just in case Goku happens to give him trouble (never, lol) & you're trying to dismiss it. Give it up, you're as good of a debator as I'm good at making football's out of my on shit.
wait did a guy with the name "superman" just call me a fanboy in this thread? 😂
I'm a fanboy because I support one side's opinion during a debate? 🤨
a little touchy aren't we ignorant one?
as for goku holding his breath.. yeah I never claimed he was going to do it for ever I said he'd IT to the next best place.. guess you missed that part didn't you...
ssj2 goku is seen splitting apart a mountain.. are you even aware how many hundreds of tons mountains weigh? 😂
that's enough to compete with superman.. classic wonderwoman was a class 70 character and she never had problems giving superman trouble... hell VAMPIRES have given supes trouble.. check out the batman respect thread if you don't believe me.
IMO sundipping is just gonna be hard to do.. why didn't he do that when he fought lobo, doomsday, darksied, wonderwoman, orion, zod, doom-clone, braniac? it's because when he's in the thick of a battle he doesn't have time.. same way goko doesn't have time to build up a spirit bomb.. that kind of rationale to say that he would is ridiculous....
and the fact that you KNOW how good of a scupltor you are with your own feces is distrubing to say the least.... 😘